Obito vs Madara

[KidGamer65]

And that's why ladies and gentlemen, is the reason why Obito is alive.

Cause he fled to the Kamui dimension where Madara can't get to him, with Kakashi's help. Unless you are telling me he'll flee in this battle as well...Lol

 

[VongolaX]

Cause he fled to the Kamui dimension where Madara can't get to him, with Kakashi's help. Unless you are telling me he'll flee in this battle as well...Lol

It was Madara that said he can't touch him, but Obito can touch him.

It's when Obito left to revive Naruto, he needed Kalashi's help.

Otherwise he'll just stand there absorbing Madara's chakra with his hand shoved up his chest.

Now, OP posted double MS which is what Kakashi aided Obito with in the manga.

Even Madara wasn't able to touch Obito when he travelled to dimensions with the power of a double Kamui.

You do realize this, correct?

 

[KidGamer65]

It was Madara that said he can't touch him, but Obito can touch him.

It's when Obito left to revive Naruto, he needed Kalashi's help.

Otherwise he'll just stand there absorbing Madara's chakra with his hand shoved up his chest.

Now, OP posted double MS which is what Kakashi aided Obito with in the manga.

Even Madara wasn't able to touch Obito when he travelled to dimensions with the power of a double Kamui.

You do realize this, correct?

You do realize all you told me is that Obito is going to run from Madara? Right?

-Double Kamui speed is useless offensively since he needs to use both at the same time to warp at double speed. Since he will never lay a hand on Madara, a point on this is moot.

-Double Kamui speed used for defensive purposes is useless as Rinbo is still far faster than the orbs that almost hit Obito even though he used Double Kamui to warp away.

 

[VongolaX]

You do realize all you told me is that Obito is going to run from Madara? Right?

-Double Kamui speed is useless offensively since he needs to use both at the same time to warp at double speed. Since he will never lay a hand on Madara, a point on this is moot.

-Double Kamui speed used for defensive purposes is useless as Rinbo is still far faster than the orbs that almost hit Obito even though he used Double Kamui to warp away.

Since when does shoving your hands in gods chest considered running away? :|

Now, what proof do you have that limbo is faster? <---Not denying it, but you need to post a scan to back up your claim.

It's definitely more efficient, but nothing stands by it in being faster.

Considering that Madara wanted to use it, but Obito knowing the six path Justus would hinder it to some degree.

PS: I need a scan of him actually saying it's faster, then I will agree.

 

[KidGamer65]

Since when does shoving your hands in gods chest considered running away? :|

Now, what proof do you have that limbo is faster? <---Not denying it, but you need to post a scan to back up your claim.
It's definitely more efficient, but nothing stands by it in being faster.

I could use the Ringa, (Limbo) it'd be faster.

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Considering that Madara wanted to use it, but Obito knowing the six path Justus would hinder it to some degree.

Baseless. Madara didn't want to use it as the technique might have damaged his Rinnegan.

 

[VongolaX]

I could use the Ringa, (Limbo) it'd be faster.

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Baseless. Madara didn't want to use it as the technique might have damaged his Rinnegan.

Well for one he might of been talking about Obito's one eye, but Madara said it would be faster so I won't argue which one.

However, in regards to the six path Justus it is not baseless.

As long as chapter 606 page 14-16 exist, as long as Obito stated he can use Human path, and as long as Obito absorbed Madara Sennin mode....

It is considered Valid!

It is written in black and white, we have chapter confirming what he can and can't do.

We seen him use the outer path and we seen him absorb.
^^No denying what it factual period.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Double MS Obito is utterly uncounterable.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

I could use the Ringa, (Limbo) it'd be faster.

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Baseless. Madara didn't want to use it as the technique might have damaged his Rinnegan.

He meant it would be faster than his Black Balls.

How about if Obito uses Long Range Kamui and absorbs all the black balls that madara can shoot at him? While intangible, just to make things completely unfair.

 

[KidGamer65]

However, in regards to the six path Justus it is not baseless.

As long as chapter 606 page 14-16 exist, as long as Obito stated he can use Human path, and as long as Obito absorbed Madara Sennin mode....

How is this relevant to Madara saying he shouldn't use Limbo on him?

Oh wait, its not.

It is considered Valid!

There is nothing valid here.

It is written in black and white, we have chapter confirming what he can and can't do.

Still waiting on how this is related to him not using Limbo...

We seen him use the outer path and we seen him absorb.

^^No denying what it factual period.

Nothing you stated tells me why Madara didn't want to use Limbo on him.

He meant it would be faster than his Black Balls.

How about if Obito uses Long Range Kamui and absorbs all the black balls that madara can shoot at him? While intangible, just to make things completely unfair.

Exactly. Madara said that Limbo would be faster, but opted to use the black ball since Obito has the Rinnegan.

IF the black balls were slower than Kamui then that would be possible, but its not, so it'll hit him before he even gets to warp him.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

How is this relevant to Madara saying he shouldn't use Limbo on him?

Oh wait, its not.


There is nothing valid here.


Still waiting on how this is related to him not using Limbo...



Nothing you stated tells me why Madara didn't want to use Limbo on him.



Exactly. Madara said that Limbo would be faster, but opted to use the black ball since Obito has the Rinnegan.

IF the black balls were slower than Kamui then that would be possible, but its not, so it'll hit him before he even gets to warp him.

The black balls aren't faster than Kamui. They were fast enough to reach obito before he could Teleport. That doesn't mean they were faster than Kamui. The larger an object, the longer it takes to warp. Since Obito is given Kakashi's feats with Kamui, he can easily warp a tiny black ball incredibly fast.

Also, madara can't keep limbo up forever. Not even for 5 minutes. He won't be able to continuously keep it up while Obito is intangible.
No, Limbo isn't faster than Obito can activate his intangibility. Until it actually hit's him before he can turn intangible, it isn't faster.

Also, Obito could use Long Range Kamui with his left eye while he stays intangible with his right. That's 5 minutes of unstoppable Kamui warping.

 

[KidGamer65]

The black balls aren't faster than Kamui. They were fast enough to reach obito before he could Teleport. That doesn't mean they were faster than Kamui. The larger an object, the longer it takes to warp. Since Obito is given Kakashi's feats with Kamui, he can easily warp a tiny black ball incredibly fast.

Now I get what you're saying. Though it doesn't change the outcome of the fight since:

1) Madara can fire many at a time, Kakashi can only warp one away.

2) Limbo would end him anyway, and its faster than Kamui.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Now I get what you're saying. Though it doesn't change the outcome of the fight since:

1) Madara can fire many at a time, Kakashi can only warp one away.

2) Limbo would end him anyway, and its faster than Kamui.

Ok, can i just point one thing out. A slug can be faster than Kamui at close enough range. The speed of the attack is irrelevant. It is all about the distance from the attacker. If Madara had been further away from Obito at the time, He could have teleported from the black balls. There is no such thing as "Faster than Kamui".

Anyway, as i have said, Kamui's intangibility can be activated instantly, while Limbo Hengoku does take a short time to start. Even if it's not very long, Obito can activate intangibility before it hit's.

 

[KidGamer65]

Ok, can i just point one thing out. A slug can be faster than Kamui at close enough range. The speed of the attack is irrelevant. It is all about the distance from the attacker. If Madara had been further away from Obito at the time, He could have teleported from the black balls. There is no such thing as "Faster than Kamui".

Anyway, as i have said, Kamui's intangibility can be activated instantly, while Limbo Hengoku does take a short time to start. Even if it's not very long, Obito can activate intangibility before it hit's.

Alright, I get it.


Obito can't tell when Limbo is coming, so he won't know when to go intangible, and if he tries to stay like that the whole match; after 5 minutes he gets killed, and Madara made it very clear that he could have ended it with Limbo despite Obito's intangiblity.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Alright, I get it.


Obito can't tell when Limbo is coming, so he won't know when to go intangible, and if he tries to stay like that the whole match; after 5 minutes he gets killed, and Madara made it very clear that he could have ended it with Limbo despite Obito's intangiblity.

No he didn't. He meant that he could hit obito if he was trying to teleport with Limbo.

Besides, Double MS Obito can still use his Left eye when intangible. Unstoppable Warping. I would like you to counter this argument, because the Limbo one is going nowhere slowly.

 

[KidGamer65]

No he didn't. He meant that he could hit obito if he was trying to teleport with Limbo.

If he said he'll end it with Limbo, that means Obito is going to die regardless of what he does. If he could evade it in any way, then that statement never would have been made. Why would Madara try to end it with Limbo when Obito would just phase through it?

Still not telling me how Obito is going to phase through something he can't see or something he can't even predict.

Besides, Double MS Obito can still use his Left eye when intangible. Unstoppable Warping. I would like you to counter this argument,because the Limbo one is going nowhere slowly.

Madara is fast enough to evade any long range Kamui attempts, so this shouldn't even be mentioned here.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

If he said he'll end it with Limbo, that means Obito is going to die regardless of what he does. If he could evade it in any way, then that statement never would have been made. Why would Madara try to end it with Limbo when Obito would just phase through it?

Still not telling me how Obito is going to phase through something he can't see or something he can't even predict.



Madara is fast enough to evade any long range Kamui attempts, so this shouldn't even be mentioned here.

Like i said, the Limbo Debate is going nowhere. You have no proof that Obito can't detect it, and i have no proof he can. You have no proof he can be hit with it while intangible, and i have no proof that he can't.
If Obito ever avoids LH with kamui in the manga, or if it kills him, Then we will know. But we don't. With no evidence, this can only end when one of us get's bored.

Similarly, Madara has never out-sped Kamui, and he has never been caught by it. We have no evidence either way, so it can't be answered. When they inevitably fight in the manga, we can get answers. But then, the debate will be kinda pointless since we will see Obito One of them win.

 

[VongolaX]

How is this relevant to Madara saying he shouldn't use Limbo on him?

Oh wait, its not.


There is nothing valid here.


Still waiting on how this is related to him not using Limbo...



Nothing you stated tells me why Madara didn't want to use Limbo on him.



Exactly. Madara said that Limbo would be faster, but opted to use the black ball since Obito has the Rinnegan.

IF the black balls were slower than Kamui then that would be possible, but its not, so it'll hit him before he even gets to warp him.

So Limbo is not a rinnegan technique?

Ya, that's how it is related...

Any six path Justu/Rinnegan tech that Madara performs, that is the one Madara taught him.

 

[AGoodBoy]

So double rinnegan obito can kill juubi jins now?
Boy, kishi should've just given him both his eyes. This fanfic would make him beat so6p too.

 

[SIX PATHZ]

not sure abt 3rd bt first two madara going to win. if any one think ms obito strong than madara then he is strong than so6p too. jin madara is way faster than him. after all madara is the one save him and teach him abt all tech.u guys really think madara would make anyone better than him?

 

[KidGamer65]

Like i said, the Limbo Debate is going nowhere. You have no proof that Obito can't detect it, and i have no proof he can. You have no proof he can be hit with it while intangible, and i have no proof that he can't.
If Obito ever avoids LH with kamui in the manga, or if it kills him, Then we will know. But we don't. With no evidence, this can only end when one of us get's bored.

Lol? Dafuq? Obito hasn't shown to be a sensor outside of his Juubi form so he can't detect it. Its really as simple as that.

-Never said he can be hit while intangible.

-Irrelevant. We already know that Limbo is too fast for Obito, and its undetectable since he isn't a sensor, and even then he still might not be able to feel it, but that's another topic.

I have evidence he won't predict Limbo, you have none. So the only thing left for you to do is concede.

Similarly, Madara has never out-sped Kamui, and he has never been caught by it. We have no evidence either way, so it can't be answered. When they inevitably fight in the manga, we can get answers. But then, the debate will be kinda pointless since we will see Obito One of them win.

Fast enough to evade Sharingan's sight altogether=Fast enough to evade Kamui, which is used via Sharingan. He's faster than Juubito who is faster than Naruto who is faster than Ay, and he was able to avoid the Sharingan's sight. I have evidence. YOU don't.

So Limbo is not a rinnegan technique?

Ya, that's how it is related...

Limbo being a Rinnegan technique is no kind of evidence that Madara didn't want to use it on Obito because of this reason. None whatosever.

Any six path Justu/Rinnegan tech that Madara performs, that is the one Madara taught him.

I'll just wait till this statement is backed by something other than your own opinion.