Obito vs Kakashi...

[Draphsin]

Kakashi stomps just like in manga.

Personal opinion: That was one of the most straight forward fights in the manga. No ulterior motives, no one holding back, no outside distractions.

Uhhh...Are you forgetting about the multiple ninja in the real world who were preventing obito from going intangible???

This fight was straightforward in telling us that kakashi needs multiple handicaps before he can stand up to obito without kamui.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Obito katons are juubi size not dodgable mokuton spikes like against the mist ninja stops all contact correction chidori is dodged or counter with katon outer path chains shits on him

He needs kamui to do that juubi size katon-_- read the manga.
his reg katon was canonically dodged.
his tree branch mokuton is crap. The spikes he u saw against mist nin was spiral zetsu not obito. other path spikes are blocked and the chains only apply to jins.

Uhhh...Are you forgetting about the multiple ninja in the real world who were preventing obito from going intangible???

This fight was straightforward in telling us that kakashi needs multiple handicaps before he can stand up to obito without kamui.

Obito cant kamui in kamui world. If he could have he would have. He knew kakashi was in kamui land( he himself put him there) and still went intangible when fighting naruto. So even if there is ninja on the inside(or in this situation outside)
It wasn't gonna stop him from using kamui.

So yeah the fight was pretty even.

 

[Bogard]

Why people keep arguing against canon is beyond me

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[BenjerminGaye]

Why people keep arguing against canon is beyond me

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Beats me.
It must really hurt when someone (in the truest way shape and form) solos their fav character.

 

[Scryed]

I'd give it to Obito.

This time he won't be trying to conserve his chakra for other purposes.

 

[Bogard]

I'd give it to Obito.

This time he won't be trying to conserve his chakra for other purposes.

Lmao the amount of butthurt about his defeat never cease to amuse me. The level of excuses get more and more ridiculous time after time

 

[pateuvasiliu]

If they fight in the Kamui world Kakashi stomps.

In the real world it's more tricky, Obito wins.

 

[Oblivionx]

kakashi wins this if obito can't use kamui....! and even if he could i'd have given it to obito very high diff....!

 

[Champ]

I assume Kakashi, Obito has no taijutsu skill, and he isn't known for his speed. If Obito had some.Rinnegan.feats i'd say he'd own easy, but he doesn't. His best hope is that huge katon blast.

 

[EZQ]

Huge katon is countered by going underground... Or kakashi simpmly wont let Obito use it, obviously you need more prep time for more fire, so Kakashi wouldn't give enough time for Obito to use that...

Stop the butthurt... In the kamui realm, Obito gets raped

 

[Draphsin]

Obito cant kamui in kamui world.

Proof?

If he could have he would have.

Lol This is not proof, if hashi can use shinsuusenju as an edo then he would've against madara already, therefore he cant. If minato can use kage bunshins while alive then he would've against obito/kurama, he didnt & therefore he cant.

See, you have terribly flawed logic in this regard, while I have a logical explanation as to why obito couldn't go intangible. If this is your form of proof then lol minato doesnt have the chakra capacity to summon kage bunshins while alive, for all we know he may even need KCM for them. XD

He knew kakashi was in kamui land( he himself put him there) and still went intangible when fighting naruto. So even if there is ninja on the inside(or in this situation outside)
It wasn't gonna stop him from using kamui.

LOL You're comparing kakashi's punches to this??

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That was what happened as soon as those two entered the kamui dimension, lmao! If obito had gone intangible at that moment then he would've been roasted due to the blast. Laughable that you would even bring this up. Perhaps obito thought that kakashi was simply out of stamina, maybe obito wasn't expecting kakashi to kill him. You don't know, so stop jumping to conclusions u_u

So yeah the fight was pretty even.

Only without kamui, only without kamui does kakashi even stand a ghost of a chance. Remove obito's mangekyou/summons & then & only then is the fight in his favor, but funny thing is that you need to remove obito's three best jutsus in order for kakashi to hold his own. They are nowhere near even, maybe in practical skill kakashi wins but other than that? lol...

Why people keep arguing against canon is beyond me

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Oh dear bogard don't be so bitter because obito needs to be handicapped in order to make it fair for your fave. :heh:

 

[KidGamer65]

Wait im interested in how in the world Kakashi going to hide the Kamui dimension when it's mostly flat... Obito would never be cought off guard by cheap tricks like that when he can see chakra through objects... There for knowing where the real Kakashi is... He would easily see the clones coming from the Main chakra sourse which is Kakashi... I doubt Kakashi is going to dive in the ground anyways...

Go look up the Hiding like a mole Jutsu. It lets you burrow into the ground by infusing it with chakra.

Obito doesn't need to be caught off guard, he got raped in CQC by Kakashi in the manga and the latter didn't even need to catch him off guard. Don't know why you keep replying saying Obito won't be caught off guard when I have stated and the manga has shown Kakashi doesn't need to take him off guard to beat him.

So Kakashi is going to stand around and get fried instead of dodging the attack? How stupid do you think that sounds? I think it sounds very stupid.

The Moment him and his clones come out Obito roast them with his Katon GG... He could have kept fighting look here...
As you posted before he has some sort of healing factor... He could have easily ended Kakashi with basic Katon techs... But he was far to focused on the Juubi to pay him any attention...

His healing factor let him heal a few scars on his arm, it isn't good enough to completely heal a gaping hole in his chest as the manga has clearly shown.

Please stop pulling this stuff out of your ass. He left cause Kakashi whipped his ass and he needed to go become the Jin. He wasn't nor could he have beaten Kakashi in the Kamui dimension.

You saying the same "Katon GG" shit over and over again isn't doing anything here. He uses Hiding like a mole to evade it and then counter attacks.

Its always funny when fans try to dispute manga fact. Kishimoto already showed us that Kakashi will beat Obito 10/10 in the Kamui dimension.

 

[Draphsin]

Kishimoto already showed us that Kakashi will beat Obito 10/10 in the Kamui dimension.

No he didnt, kishimoto showed us that kakashi beats obito 10/10 without kamui/gedo/bijuu. The location doesnt matter, I havent seen it stated anywhere that obito cant go intangible while in his dimension, that's basically saying that he cant use kamui in the kamui dimension which is obviously not the case as he can leave.

 

[KidGamer65]

No he didnt, kishimoto showed us that kakashi beats obito 10/10 without kamui/gedo/bijuu. The location doesnt matter, I havent seen it stated anywhere that obito cant go intangible while in his dimension, that's basically saying that he cant use kamui in the kamui dimension which is obviously not the case as he can leave.

He moves his body parts to his dimension in order to achieve the intangible effect. Something he can't do when he is already inside the Kamui dimension, so no, location does matter. You don't need to see it stated when the description of the jutsu contradicts what you are saying.

Kamui has different functions, so no, its not like saying he can't use Kamui in the Kamui dimension, as he can still teleport around.

 

[Draphsin]

He moves his body parts to his dimension in order to achieve the intangible effect. Something he can't do when he is already inside the Kamui dimension, so no, location does matter. You don't need to see it stated when the description of the jutsu contradicts what you are saying.

Kamui has different functions, so no, its not like saying he can't use Kamui in the Kamui dimension, as he can still teleport around.

& You're saying that he cant move his body parts to the real world to achieve this same effect?

You're implying that he can't use kamui, he is able to transport his entire body to the real world so tell me why he cant do the same with his body parts? It is the same thing, kamui has different functions but its all one jutsu & it makes no sense to have only part of it restricted while in the dimension.

It never said that "obito can only send his body parts to his dimension", so there is nothing contradicting what I'm saying.

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Kakashi makes no mention of obito's intangibility being restricted in kamui land, it merely "exists" in the other dimension.

 

[KidGamer65]

& You're saying that he cant move his body parts to the real world to achieve this same effect?

You're implying that he can't use kamui, he is able to transport his entire body to the real world so tell me why he cant do the same with his body parts? It is the same thing, kamui has different functions but its all one jutsu & it makes no sense to have only part of it restricted while in the dimension.


It never said that "obito can only send his body parts to his dimension", so there is nothing contradicting what I'm saying.

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Kakashi makes no mention of obito's intangibility being restricted in kamui land, it merely "exists" in the other dimension.

So why didn't he do it against Kakashi?

 

[Draphsin]

So why didn't he do it against Kakashi?

Because the battlefield was littered with shinobi + the juubi's attacks, makes sense that he wouldnt kamui under those conditions.

 

[Strict]

So why didn't he do it against Kakashi?

Probably because war was going. The whole alliance was clashing with the Juubi and Madara and turned the whole battlefield into chaos with Tenpenchii, etc. Here, they have stayed away from the rest of the alliance, isolated in their own realm to resolve their problem which also had a personal background.

Well, that's just my thought. Could also ask why Obito didn't use any Rinnegan or Mokuton technique while Kakashi used Raikiri. Rather plot, or purely prowess of Kakashi? Hmm.

 

[KidGamer65]

Probably because war was going. The whole alliance was clashing with the Juubi and Madara and turned the whole battlefield into chaos with Tenpenchii, etc. Here, they have stayed away from the rest of the alliance, isolated in their own realm to resolve their problem which also had a personal background.

Well, that's just my thought. Could also ask why Obito didn't use any Rinnegan or Mokuton technique while Kakashi used Raikiri. Rather plot, or purely prowess of Kakashi? Hmm.

That makes sense.

The Mokuton he's shown is completely useless against Kakashi anyway, except for the time where he blacked out and used those giant roots. I doubt that he knows how to use all the Rinnegan techs.

 

[Strict]

When in close combat, Obito just could have used

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which the Spiral-Zetsu attributed to Obito's own prowess; also on a larger distance [

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]. He used the same technique later without wearing the Spiral-Zetsu, while connected to the Juubi. So the Jutsu itself comes from Obito.

Now with the experience, knowledge and intelligence he has, he shouldn't fall into rage first to perform such techniques, but would act advisedly. In close combat, such a technique would end deadly for Kakashi, as the range affected even a Shinobi standing behind the first target.