Obito (rinnegan) vs Nagato

[UchihaNagashi]

lol what? I say "No Mazo" You reply "He can control it" Despite my comment referring to the fact that the Gedo Mazo is restricted. Then you say, you never said he would summon it. Why mention it in the first place huh?

Your scan doesn't work, but I already know what it is, and it is NOT a scan of Obito using a Rinnegan technique. Its a scan of Obito agreeing that it takes up a lot of chakra to control 6 Bijuu with eyepower alone. He never agreed that he can use all the Rinnegan techniques, he didn't reply or respond to Gai's statement at all. Nice try but this clearly isn't what I asked for now is it?

The rest of your post is absolute rubbish that has no effect on this debate what so ever. Take your A>B>C logic elsewhere.

The only offense that Obito has that can finish Nagato is Kamui. If he tries to warp him. A big Shinra Tensei puts him on his ass and kills him. Its funny you tell me to hop off Nagato, but the only one who needs to hop off, is the blind Kamui tard who has pretty much no argument.

What is he controlling them with then? I mean the Jinchuuriki's.

 

[KidGamer65]

What is he controlling them with then? I mean the Jinchuuriki's.

lol? What are you even talking about? He is controlling them via Outer Path. He has no feats for the following:

Naraka Path

Deva Path

Human Path (Confirmed he can use it)

Asura Path

Preta Path

Animal Path

These are the techs I am referring to.

 

[UchihaNagashi]

lol? What are you even talking about? He is controlling them via Outer Path. He has no feats for the following:

Naraka Path

Deva Path

Human Path (Confirmed he can use it)

Asura Path

Preta Path

Animal Path

These are the techs I am referring to.

What, WHAT? So you are saying he can't use them except Outer Path techniques? You sir, deserve a f***tard prize.

 

[KidGamer65]

What, WHAT? So you are saying he can't use them except Outer Path techniques? You sir, deserve a f***tard prize.

Got a scan of him using them? When you have one then you can say he can use them. Until then. Stop littering the thread with your useless replies containing no arguments at all.

 

[UchihaNagashi]

Got a scan of him using them? When you have one then you can say he can use them. Until then. Stop littering the thread with your useless replies containing no arguments at all.

He attracted Naruto and Sasuke to him. Here's the scan:

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Your statement of Deva Path is false. Don't say ''Juubi enhanced it''. Don't make a fool of yourself.
He can use Outer Path. So it is logical to think that he can use the others too. Now I've proven he can use two. Don't get butthurt, I'm a Nagato fan too. But don't disgrace him, idiot.

 

[KidGamer65]

He attracted Naruto and Sasuke to him. Here's the scan:

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Your statement of Deva Path is false. Don't say ''Juubi enhanced it''. Don't make a fool of yourself.
He can use Outer Path. So it is logical to think that he can use the others too. Now I've proven he can use two. Don't get butthurt, I'm a Nagato fan too. But don't disgrace him, idiot.

Slap yourself.

-That wasn't Deva Path.
-He blitzed them and grabbed them before they could react.

That's why Susanoo was broken, cause the force of Obito charging and grabbing them along with his enhanced strength from the Juubi allowed him to rip through it. Bansho Tennin doesn't create force that allows him to smash anything let alone a Susanoo.

Not to mention

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(Speed Marks) indicates that he moved toward them.

There's also the fact that Obito is barely off the ground in

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. Though in

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, he is further above the ground then he was before attacking Naruto and Sasuke.

What does that tell you? That he MOVED. No Rinnegan technique was used here. Again, nice try. More like Nice fail though.

The only one butthurt is the one who came in here flaming because of a debate he lost a while ago.

 

[Fireplay]

He attracted Naruto and Sasuke to him. Here's the scan:

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Your statement of Deva Path is false. Don't say ''Juubi enhanced it''. Don't make a fool of yourself.
He can use Outer Path. So it is logical to think that he can use the others too. Now I've proven he can use two. Don't get butthurt, I'm a Nagato fan too. But don't disgrace him, idiot.

That's not Deva path.

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[UchihaNagashi]

Slap yourself.

-That wasn't Deva Path.
-He blitzed them and grabbed them before they could react.

That's why Susanoo was broken, cause the force of Obito charging and grabbing them along with his enhanced strength from the Juubi allowed him to rip through it. Bansho Tennin doesn't create force that allows him to smash anything let alone a Susanoo.

Not to mention

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(Speed Marks) indicates that he moved toward them.

There's also the fact that Obito is barely off the ground in

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. Though in

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, he is further above the ground then he was before attacking Naruto and Sasuke.

Not even a full picture... Idiot. Look at the distance. + Can you prove he did not use it? There's no full picture.

What does that tell you? That he MOVED. No Rinnegan technique was used here. Again, nice try. More like Nice fail though.

The only one butthurt is the one who came in here flaming because of a debate he lost a while ago.

Not a full picture. Look at this scan.

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THIS is not even a full picture. Look how stretched he was. And this was when he attacked Naruto. + Why would he stretch? If he can speedblitz just like that? A question for you.

Slap yourself two times. Look at the distance. He didn't stretch. + The scan you showed proved it even more. He wasn't stretched when they FTG away. There was his Rinnegan eye shown in the manga. So he used Deva Path. He didn't break the Susano'o with Bansho Tennin. The beam was too narrow so this is a mystery. Could be he deactivated it. + Those speed marks don't prove anything. It can even be the Bansho Tennin. Your whole arguement is invalid, nor you have any evidence on anything. Log off.

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[Draphsin]

You took away obito's best jutsus while enhancing nagato to a healthy state, let me put it to you like this.

Taking away nagato's paths makes him stronger, taking away obito's paths makes him weaker. You handicapped obito & gave nagato a powerup. You also gave obito a second handicap by taking away his gedo statue which should honestly NOT be restricted, even if you take away the paths obito's gedo statue is still his & by taking it away you only leave obito with human path which isnt completely useful because kamui can do the same thing in this battle.

Given the conditions, nagato wins because obito has no diversion. But you should give obito the gedo statue to make it a fair comparison of their abilities & in which case obito wins.

 

[UchihaNagashi]

You took away obito's best jutsus while enhancing nagato to a healthy state, let me put it to you like this.

Taking away nagato's paths makes him stronger, taking away obito's paths makes him weaker. You handicapped obito & gave nagato a powerup. You also gave obito a second handicap by taking away his gedo statue which should honestly NOT be restricted, even if you take away the paths obito's gedo statue is still his & by taking it away you only leave obito with human path which isnt completely useful because kamui can do the same thing in this battle.

Given the conditions, nagato wins because obito has no diversion. But you should give obito the gedo statue to make it a fair comparison of their abilities & in which case obito wins.

He has all the same jutsu's Nagato did... What's the difference? + He's not handicapped WTF. Obito has MS + Rinnegan + Mokuton + Katon + Monster Chakra.
Nagato has even more monster chakra + only Rinnegan.

 

[KidGamer65]

Not a full picture. Look at this scan.

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THIS is not even a full picture. Look how stretched he was. And this was when he attacked Naruto. + Why would he stretch? If he can speedblitz just like that? A question for you.

Slap yourself two times. Look at the distance. He didn't stretch. There was his Rinnegan eye shown in the manga. So he used Deva Path. He didn't break the Susano'o with Bansho Tennin. The beam was too narrow so this is a mystery. Could be he deactivated it. + Those speed marks don't prove anything. It can even be the Bansho Tennin. Your whole arguement is invalid, nor you have any evidence on anything. Log off.

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Your scans don't work as Mangareader doesn't work in the U.S.

Nothing in your post shows that he attracted them. In the scan before he is on the ground and in the scan after when he attacks Naruto and Sasuke, he is stretched out further than he was before.

That doesn't need to be a full picture. The picture shows that his torso is still close to the ground unlike when it was further above the ground when he stretched to attack Naruto and Sasuke His torso is close to the ground in one pic but above the ground after. What does that tell you? That he stretched towards them to attack. You'd have to be blind or just an oblivious fool to say otherwise. If he didn't move, then he'd still be that close to the ground when he attracted them, and that his physically impossible as they would be touching the ground if this were the case, but they are in the air being held in place by Obito's hands.

The bold has nothing to do with anything at all. He blitzed them by stretching towards them. He didn't run using his feet as his body was in a bloated

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He doesn't need to run toward them for it to be called a blitz.

So Sasuke deactivated Susanoo when the strongest being in the manga is coming at him trying to kill him? Do you enjoy spouting bs? Cause I think you do. Susanoo was clearly broken as you see pieces of it flying around

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If you really think them doing a close up on his eye is evidence then you should slap yourself. They did a close up on Naruto and Sasuke as well, I guess that means they used some kind of jutsu.

Stop regurgitating this shit.

Speed Marks show that someone moved. Speed Marks are around Obito meaning that Obito is the one who moved. Rudimentary stuff.

Since you are kind of slow I'll break this down for you.

1. Obito (

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) attacks Naruto, but Sasuke saves him.

2. Obito (

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You can also see this in

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) attacks Naruto and Sasuke by stretching towards them, smashing through Sasuke's Susanoo when he goes to grab him and Naruto.

-Speed Marks are around Obito indicating that he moved.

-This scan shows that Sasuke and Naruto are at a higher elevation than Obito is, mainly cause his body is pretty much on the ground or a

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Are you still going to spout more BS despite being proven wrong twice now?

 

[Draphsin]

He has all the same jutsu's Nagato did... What's the difference? + He's not handicapped WTF. Obito has MS + Rinnegan + Mokuton + Katon + Monster Chakra.
Nagato has even more monster chakra + only Rinnegan.

Obito hasnt used any paths besides outer, & he stated that he can use human. He only has one rinnegan eye, makes logical sense that he can only use a limited amount of paths.

We cant assume that he has all the rinnegan paths, that's like assuming that nagato has mastery over all 5 nature manipulations despite him only showing us one.

As of now, obito has kamui, izanagi, mokuton, katon, human path, large chakra reserves, strong chakra.

Nagato has human, preta, nakara, asura, deva, & animal path, large chakra reserves, strong lifeforce.

Nagato has too many paths which can be used in succession to stop kamui & preta stops mokuton & katon.

Without the gedo statue obito loses.

 

[VongolaX]

Madara literally taught Obito all these techniques including Rikudou's techniques<----can't argue that..

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Who else taught nagato how to use the rinnegan.

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If nagato was really stronger than obito, why would he take orders from him?

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[Draphsin]

Madara literally taught Obito all these techniques including Rikudou's techniques<----can't argue that..

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Who else taught nagato how to use the rinnegan.

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If nagato was really stronger than obito, why would he take orders from him?

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Just because he knows them doesnt mean he can use them. He only has 1 rinnegan eye, why do people think that he can use every path despite this? :|

As for the orders thing, obito > 6P0P because he can just kamui straight to nagato & kill him. But anyways that's beside the point. Nagato took orders because obito was playing the part of the man who will bring peace to the world, obito's conditioning caused nagato to believe that he was doing the right thing so why disobey?

 

[UchihaNagashi]

Madara literally taught Obito all these techniques including Rikudou's techniques<----can't argue that..

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Who else taught nagato how to use the rinnegan.

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If nagato was really stronger than obito, why would he take orders from him?

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This guy^^. You sir, have just proven there is still faith in humanity. + Rep.

 

[UchihaNagashi]

Just because he knows them doesnt mean he can use them. He only has 1 rinnegan eye, why do people think that he can use every path despite this? :|

As for the orders thing, obito > 6P0P because he can just kamui straight to nagato & kill him. But anyways that's besides the point. Nagato took orders because obito was playing the part of the man who will bring peace to the world, obito's conditioning caused nagato to believe that he was doing the right thing so why disobey?

Don't. Gedou Mazou is very HARD to control. Madara said it himself (or Obito). How the hell can you use one of the strongest jutsu's, yet not the more low-classed ones? This debate is ridicolous he would make Nagato his b**ch again. Debate over.

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[KidGamer65]

Just because he knows them doesnt mean he can use them. He only has 1 rinnegan eye, why do people think that he can use every path despite this? :|

As for the orders thing, obito > 6P0P because he can just kamui straight to nagato & kill him. But anyways that's beside the point. Nagato took orders because obito was playing the part of the man who will bring peace to the world, obito's conditioning caused nagato to believe that he was doing the right thing so why disobey?

Agreed. Also, he told Obito to

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The Six Paths techniques (Deva, Naraka, Preta etc) don't use these rods.

 

[Draphsin]

Don't. Gedou Mazou is very HARD to control. Madara said it himself (or Obito). How the hell can you use one of the strongest jutsu's, yet not the more low-classed ones? This debate is ridicolous he would make Nagato his b**ch again. Debate over.

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Show me the scan where its stated that the gedo mazou is very HARD to control, this is just something that you made up.

Obito proved that his outer path control is far superior to nagato's, therefore if his outer path is so much better then why doesnt he use a shinra tensei which would also be SO much better according to your logic.

Obito doesnt have all the paths, the one rinnegan eye & his better use of outer path but lack of any other supports this.

 

[KingHashirama]

TIME THE F*CK OUT.

First show me the stamina of healthy nagato. Cause otherwise this is bunch of BS.


Obito wins.

Obito > Itachi , Nagato, Kisame and etc Akatsuki

 

[VongolaX]

Just because he knows them doesnt mean he can use them. He only has 1 rinnegan eye, why do people think that he can use every path despite this? :|

As for the orders thing, obito > 6P0P because he can just kamui straight to nagato & kill him. But anyways that's beside the point. Nagato took orders because obito was playing the part of the man who will bring peace to the world, obito's conditioning caused nagato to believe that he was doing the right thing so why disobey?

If you read properly, madara said you can use the sages techniques just by being senju+uchiha. Even konan knows that..she said it herself "Both Uchiha and Senju? That's the power of the six paths...you don't have such power..."

Here if you don't believe me:

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Regardless of whatever you believed nagato's ideals were, he knew that naruto was the only one to stop him.
He couldn't do a thing

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, so he trusted naruto to defeat him.

They took orders because they could do nothing about it....:|

Now answer this, how was nagato able to use the full power of the rinnegan on his own?