obito never had hasirama cells???

[The Necromancer]

He said he made it look like the WZ were the product of Hashirama's cells being cultivated in the Gedo Statue. Wouldn't "I made it look that way" mean that it wasn't actually that way?

But that's not what he said.

The bodies are entirely made of Hashirama's dna. That's a fact. What Madara didn't know was that their souls are the souls of previous IT victims.

What were the WZ made of in the past, and what would they have been made of if IT actually worked this time? No idea. But the same flesh Madara used to awaken his Rinnegan is absolutely the same as that used to create his WZ.

No where in the manga said Juubi or Shinju had Wood Release. You cannot even back this up with Manga scans.

Anyway, no one is denying what Black Zetsu said. I am merely saying Madara using Hashirama cells played a part in their gene make up.

You're not serious, are you?

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[Warlocks]

He has Hashirama cells

 

[synkross]

According to the data book on Hashirama:

[The unparalleled recovery ability of Hashirama’s body could even exhibit that ability in the bodies of others. Madara lived on by transplanting into a wound Hashirama’s cells that he obtained in the Battle of the Valley of the End. In addition, by using the Demon Statue as a catalyst, he cultivated living cells to create an artificial body of Hashirama. Even the critically wounded Obito healed his injuries by transplanting half of an artificial body.]

which manga is that in your sig?

OT: OP go read manga.

 

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This does agree with his statement in a way. This point in the manga is very contradictory.

 

[lndra]

This does agree with his statement in a way. This point in the manga is very contradictory.

Much like anything Kishimoto cooks up in his mental house.

 

[Floydical]

Yeah it kind of makes sense that he could use mokuton from hashi cells,but the zetsu also come from juubi which kkg is mokuton and the zetsus cells/dna are of a very similar makeup to that of hasirama's,so they could probably grant everything hashi's cell can + it seems you can gain Saisei Noryoku by possesing a zetsu body. So i'm still not convinced.

No he doesn't Madara was misinformed.

The Zetsu were created from the victims of IT through the Shinju and they seem to have some Mokuton abilities because of that though weak. That could also explain why Obito's Mokuton, despite half of his body being that way, was weaker than Madara's, who only had a portion of Hashirama's DNA.

There's no reason for me to believe it's Hashi cells since Madara believed the Zetsu were created from his cells but they weren't. Mokuton seems to be related to the Shinju so I could see why people might sense the similarities between them like Tobirama did with Orochimaru's Zetsu body.


If anything, Hashirama's DNA was merged with the white Zetsu when Kabuto offered to cultivate Hashi's cells to make the Zetsu stronger. Since the fact is that the Zetsu were not created by his cells but people still sensed similarities. Could be because of the similarity between Mokuton and the Shinju though.

Yes Obito did have Hashi cells. Madara CREATED the giant statue of Hashirama in his lair by cultivating the cells he took from him. That entire statue is made of Hashirama cells. That chakra FUELED the Gedo Mazou which, in turn, created the Zetsu bodies utilizing that DNA and chakra. The mazou had the souls of the original IT victims stored in it, that is all. It took the chakra from Hashirama's cells to create bodies for them. Quite simply, it was no coincidence that the Zetsu were only created after the mazou was hooked up to the Hashi statue. Get it?

Modern white zetsu clones are made up of Hashi DNA, its a fact. The Juubi being capable of using wood jutsu is a fact as well, but that simply proves that wood jutsu did not start with Hashirama. Either way, the only reason modern Zetsu were created was because Hashirama DNA fueled the mazou to create them. Arguably, they are directly related still.

But that's not what he said.

The bodies are entirely made of Hashirama's dna. That's a fact. What Madara didn't know was that their souls are the souls of previous IT victims.

What were the WZ made of in the past, and what would they have been made of if IT actually worked this time? No idea. But the same flesh Madara used to awaken his Rinnegan is absolutely the same as that used to create his WZ.



You're not serious, are you?

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Second this.

 

[God Of NarutoBase]

Yes Obito did have Hashi cells. Madara CREATED the giant statue of Hashirama in his lair by cultivating the cells he took from him. That entire statue is made of Hashirama cells. That chakra FUELED the Gedo Mazou which, in turn, created the Zetsu bodies utilizing that DNA and chakra. The mazou had the souls of the original IT victims stored in it, that is all. It took the chakra from Hashirama's cells to create bodies for them. Quite simply, it was no coincidence that the Zetsu were only created after the mazou was hooked up to the Hashi statue. Get it?

Modern white zetsu clones are made up of Hashi DNA, its a fact. The Juubi being capable of using wood jutsu is a fact as well, but that simply proves that wood jutsu did not start with Hashirama. Either way, the only reason modern Zetsu were created was because Hashirama DNA fueled the mazou to create them. Arguably, they are directly related still.



Second this.

Nope. There's nothing really to base obito having hashi cells other than the fact he has half of a zetsu attached to him,which was previously thought to be made from hashi cells but isnt the case, as black zetsu explained they were people from IT with juubi/shinju cells. The annoying part of all this is that I'm just laying manga facts while all of you who say he has hashi cells just base that on assumptions,theories or outdated info. It's not manga contradiction . The interpretation is simple. Black zetsu said the zetsu were removed from gedo and we're not created from hashi cells. It's as simple as ABC. If you guys think you're so knowledgeable, then one of you should please explain how obito had the mokuton type of the juubi and not hasirama mokuton type since you think the zetsu cells he had were mostly hasirama's and not that of the shinju.

 

[Floydical]

Nope. There's nothing really to base obito having hashi cells other than the fact he has half of a zetsu attached to him,which was previously thought to be made from hashi cells but isnt the case, as black zetsu explained they were people from IT with juubi/shinju cells. The annoying part of all this is that I'm just laying manga facts while all of you who say he has hashi cells just base that on assumptions,theories or outdated info. It's not manga contradiction . The interpretation is simple. Black zetsu said the zetsu were removed from gedo and we're not created from hashi cells. It's as simple as ABC. If you guys think you're so knowledgeable, then one of you should please explain how obito had the mokuton type of the juubi and not hasirama mokuton type since you think the zetsu cells he had were mostly hasirama's and not that of the shinju.

You're missing the point here. I agreed that the Juubi has Moukuton and stated that proves wood jutsu did not originate in Hashirama. I stated this proves the two are directly related. Essentially, Hashirama's cells are directly comparable to chakra of the Juubi.

The point I was making is that it was Hashirama's cells that created this new string of Zetsu. The Statue made of Hashirama's cells are what fueled the creation of this new Zetsu army. Get it? I'm not saying you are totally wrong, but I am defending the fact that this new army of Zetsu were in fact made of Hashirama DNA. This means Obito's body is made of half Hashirama cells.

Its not all black and white, there is some room for compromise here. You say we only make assumptions and you only state facts, but its obvious you are overlooking very basic things. Modern white Zetsu being primarily composed of Hashirama DNA does not detract from the last generation of IT having its own set of Zetsu clones. Hashirama's DNA simply meshed well with the Mazou, as it shared the same chakra nature. Remember the Gedou mazo was totally void of chakra. It could not function without being fueled by a chakra source. The Hashi statue is what fueled it. Get it now?

 

[Ansatsuken]

Madara cultivate Hashirama's flash that contained Hashi's super special Cell/DNA using GM give GM the access to this special Cell/DNA. WZ as Madara stated are extracted from GM that also happen to possessed Hashi's magical Cell. That being said, WZ are undoubtedly obtained some of the Cells

 

[God Of NarutoBase]

You're missing the point here. I agreed that the Juubi has Moukuton and stated that proves wood jutsu did not originate in Hashirama. I stated this proves the two are directly related. Essentially, Hashirama's cells are directly comparable to chakra of the Juubi.

The point I was making is that it was Hashirama's cells that created this new string of Zetsu. The Statue made of Hashirama's cells are what fueled the creation of this new Zetsu army. Get it? I'm not saying you are totally wrong, but I am defending the fact that this new army of Zetsu were in fact made of Hashirama DNA. This means Obito's body is made of half Hashirama cells.

Its not all black and white, there is some room for compromise here. You say we only make assumptions and you only state facts, but its obvious you are overlooking very basic things. Modern white Zetsu being primarily composed of Hashirama DNA does not detract from the last generation of IT having its own set of Zetsu clones. Hashirama's DNA simply meshed well with the Mazou, as it shared the same chakra nature. Remember the Gedou mazo was totally void of chakra. It could not function without being fueled by a chakra source. The Hashi statue is what fueled it. Get it now?

Now i'm confused. I was saying the zetsu that were first brought out of the gedo were from Kaguya IT and did not have hashirama cells including the one that fused with obito,which explains why he has juubi type mokuton.
I already knew that the modern clones of the zetsu(any zetsu clone at all)were created from hashi cells (explaining why they had hashi type mokuton) .

I don't think the first zetsus brought from the gedo would have had hashi DNA. Black z zetsu already said they were kaguya IT soldiers which he removed from the gedo and made look like they were created by madara expiriments with the gedo and hashi cells. .
The zetsu were always there,madara expiriments didn't give them hashi cells. Obito awakening juubi type mokuton instead of Hashirama's is more than enough proof,if you're willing to accept it.

 

[Floydical]

Now i'm confused. I was saying the zetsu that were first brought out of the gedo were from Kaguya IT and did not have hashirama cells including the one that fused with obito,which explains why he has juubi type mokuton.
I already knew that the modern clones of the zetsu(any zetsu clone at all)were created from hashi cells (explaining why they had hashi type mokuton) .

I don't think the first zetsus brought from the gedo would have had hashi DNA. Black z zetsu already said they were kaguya IT soldiers which he removed from the gedo and made look like they were created by madara expiriments with the gedo and hashi cells. .
The zetsu were always there,madara expiriments didn't give them hashi cells. Obito awakening juubi type mokuton instead of Hashirama's is more than enough proof,if you're willing to accept it.

Okay, we're getting somewhere. Yes, the first generation of Zetsu were created by the tree, which had a source of chakra in the form of Kaguya already, and did not contain Hashirama cells. This is true. HOWEVER, this is not the same kind of Zetsu that fused with Obito.

All white Zetsu died after Kaguya and the tree were sealed away. Only BZ was active this whole time since that sealing. Spiral white zetsu, the one you mention fused with Obito, is part of the modern generation of Zetsu. He was not part of the original set. All original Zetsu dried up and crumbled after the tree and Kaguya was defeated. This proof is found in the fact that Spiral Zetsu died after the modern day IT was dispelled. They cannot live without the tree being active.

It is a nice idea you have, but just because Obito's Moukuton was similar to the Juubi's does not mean that Spiral Zetsu is a relic of the past like Black Zetsu. Again, only Black Zetsu was alive this whole time since Kaguya's first sealing. It does seem that Madara infused spiral Zetsu with the black rods, however, so that might explain Obito's abnormal Moukuton. Remember when black rods sprouted out his Zetsu side when going on his rampage?

In short.... your theory makes more sense now but its still a 100% fact that the Zetsu infused in Obito is of the modern generation of Zetsu. Every last one of these Zetsu are comprised primarily of Hashirama DNA, which means that Obito does have a large amount of hashirama DNA. But again, Hashi's chakra is clearly in the same ballpark as the Juubi, since they can both use a form of Moukuton.

 

[God Of NarutoBase]

Okay, we're getting somewhere. Yes, the first generation of Zetsu were created by the tree, which had a source of chakra in the form of Kaguya already, and did not contain Hashirama cells. This is true. HOWEVER, this is not the same kind of Zetsu that fused with Obito.

All white Zetsu died after Kaguya and the tree were sealed away. Only BZ was active this whole time since that sealing. Spiral white zetsu, the one you mention fused with Obito, is part of the modern generation of Zetsu. He was not part of the original set. All original Zetsu dried up and crumbled after the tree and Kaguya was defeated. This proof is found in the fact that Spiral Zetsu died after the modern day IT was dispelled. They cannot live without the tree being active.

It is a nice idea you have, but just because Obito's Moukuton was similar to the Juubi's does not mean that Spiral Zetsu is a relic of the past like Black Zetsu. Again, only Black Zetsu was alive this whole time since Kaguya's first sealing. It does seem that Madara infused spiral Zetsu with the black rods, however, so that might explain Obito's abnormal Moukuton. Remember when black rods sprouted out his Zetsu side when going on his rampage?

In short.... your theory makes more sense now but its still a 100% fact that the Zetsu infused in Obito is of the modern generation of Zetsu. Every last one of these Zetsu are comprised primarily of Hashirama DNA, which means that Obito does have a large amount of hashirama DNA. But again, Hashi's chakra is clearly in the same ballpark as the Juubi, since they can both use a form of Moukuton.

Makes sense,,but I'm still not fully convinced. If obito didn't have the mokuton of the juubi,then maybe I would have been convinced.

 

[shelke]

Much like anything Kishimoto cooks up in his mental house.

True. Very true. I mean, I don't think it's far-fetched to assume that Hashirama has Mezo or God Tree cells (or whatever one can call them) and not the other way around. As we saw the God Tree used Wood Dragon and basic Mokuton techs, and IT was cast with Jukai Kotan (the large tree with cocoons and all) by JJ Madara, which is Hashirama's tech as well.