do u even knw wht is d purpose of bingo book.
it is not a memory card having 32Gb.only few names and photos can come.
and mostly these r living shinoby with highest bounty not death ones.
and y we r talking abt book.
i told u my theory that obito's face was still covered with bandages or zetsu skin and kisame had only saw his ms.that wraps up.
You didnt answer with facts, your answers merely brought on more questions, & nothing you posted proved anything..
Pure assumption, how do you know of the technology advances during hiruzen's time? I can easily say that technology hasnt been fully introduced until hiruzen was an old man, you cant prove me wrong so it must be fact right? This is your debate style...
More assumption, why is the timeline of naruto parallel to real world time? Using a real life timeline to compare with is foolish, its obviously completely different than what we're reading in the manga.
Clans existed only to fight back then, the world was in constant battle. You think someone like Tajima uchiha is sitting around inventing cameras? during such a time. & even better, you think madara is sitting around taking pictures of himself?? lol no.
That technology isnt needed in a world constantly bombarded with war & strife.
Still cant answer the 3 questions above with facts, keep digging yourself deeper, this is entertaining Lol.
do u even knw wht is d purpose of bingo book.
it is not a memory card having 32Gb.only few names and photos can come.
and mostly these r living shinoby with highest bounty not death ones.
and y we r talking abt book.
i told u my theory that obito's face was still covered with bandages or zetsu skin and kisame had only saw his ms.that wraps up.
ok let me ask u a question if u r ready 2 reply.
I made a recent thread that whether Itachi knew obito an uchiha wit sharingan user?
most of them answer that itachi assume him 2 be Madara.
so now my question is itachi have definately seen that big monument of madara,also hav heard abt him.so y he never suspected that obito was Madara?
ur thread's answer lies here only.
and d answer is Obito's perfect acting with MS.
and i m done.we can do this all day but here its mid-night.so i m going 2 sleep.
Yes it is, you're avoiding the main flaw in your theory. & whats even worse is when its brought up, you say that its irrelevant to your thread?? lol nice try
We're specifically talking about madara's appearance being known, you use the bingo book as an example when we haven't even seen madara inside of it (that would completely confirm your theory btw). The fact that you cant prove madara's true face is in the bingo book means that you cant prove your theory.
/2nd point
the thread is about if obito was originally the masked man and that obito wasn't the one talking to kisame years ago
Im telling you that it was obito who was controlling yagura. He was covered in bandages which is more than enough to prove it was him. Obito's scars are easily distinguishable, so kisame knowing obito's appearance immediately proves nothing either.
Your thread revolves around kisame & sasuke knowing madara's true appearance. However you cant prove that they do know what he looks like, the bingo book is not a valid answer as it proves nothing
ok let me ask u a question if u r ready 2 reply.
I made a recent thread that whether Itachi knew obito an uchiha wit sharingan user?
most of them answer that itachi assume him 2 be obito.
so now my question is itachi have definately seen that big monument of madara,also hav heard abt him.so y he never suspected that obito was Madara?
ur thread's answer lies here only.
and d answer is Obito's perfect acting with MS.
and i m done.we can do this all day but here its mid-night.so i m going 2 sleep.
1. Itachi NEVER seen obito fight, at least not in the manga
2. Itachi never seen the masked man face because itachi knows what madara looks like, when the masked man talked to itachi, he never showed itachi his face
that's why pointed out sasuke in this thread
sasuke saw the masked mans face and sasuke knows what madara looks like
sasuke fought naruto at the valley in the end, so he def know what madara looks like, that's why this is a plot hole
oh i forgot one thing when obito came to talk with kisame he showed his sharingan.right.
the same obito showed sharingan when talking wit sasuke.right.
but madara had rinnegan.right.
now unless u can prove that madara can change his rinnegan back 2 sharingan,that masked guy was none other than tobi.and dont say madara has extra sets of uchiha eyes.that hobby is only undertaken by obito.
The real world has CARS, Why not the naruto world??? Don't say because they're ninja, what about the civilians?
/1st point
Yes it is, you're avoiding the main flaw in your theory. & whats even worse is when its brought up, you say that its irrelevant to your thread?? lol nice try
We're specifically talking about madara's appearance being known, you use the bingo book as an example when we haven't even seen madara inside of it (that would completely confirm your theory btw). The fact that you cant prove madara's true face is in the bingo book means that you cant prove your theory.
/2nd point
Im telling you that it was obito who was controlling yagura. He was covered in bandages which is more than enough to prove it was him. Obito's scars are easily distinguishable, so kisame knowing obito's appearance immediately proves nothing either.
Your thread revolves around kisame & sasuke knowing madara's true appearance. However you cant prove that they do know what he looks like, the bingo book is not a valid answer as it proves nothing
the topic was about picture now your talking about cars, next your gonna ask me about planes or video camera LMFAO, jesus christ just accept the facts lol madara has pictures, and BTW bikes exist in their world though because hinata was riding a bike the one of the naruto endings songs LMAO
how is this my main flaw?????????????? my theory is that obito is too young to have met kisame
madara is a criminal so he's in the bingo book unless you can prove that hes not a criminal
oh i forgot one thing when obito came to talk with kisame he showed his sharingan.right.
the same obito showed sharingan when talking wit sasuke.right.
but madara had rinnegan.right.
now unless u can prove that madara can change his rinnegan back 2 sharingan,that masked guy was none other than tobi.and dont say madara has extra sets of uchiha eyes.that hobby is only undertaken by obito.
Cant properly rebut my answer? Typical, seems that you're losing credibility fast.
I proved that the naruto timeline =/= real world timeline in terms of technology. I merely used cars as an example of this, & seeing as you cant come up with any valid response other than "im going off topic", it simply looks like you're getting backed into a corner
jesus christ just accept the facts lol madara has pictures, and BTW bikes exist in their world though because hinata was riding a bike the one of the naruto endings songs LMAO
Cant prove that konoha has his picture, cant prove that his picture even exists. Saying that he's in the bingo book when you cant even confirm the following is laughable XD
You are a seriously delusional little man, I think you're trolling at this point because someone cant be this big of a moron without having some kind of "issue", Lol.
Obito was recovering from almost dying, derp.
& finally, putting this pathetic attempt to rest:
Obito & madara are the only uchiha left with that kind of hairstyle, but wait a minute.......why is the shadow's hair black??? Madara's is clearly white during this time, is it not???
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Obito's black hair proves you wrong, he is also opening his right eye....you know......the one that madara doesnt possess, lmfao..
You are completely wrong, obito is talking to kisame, that is a fact.
Well, I think it's reasonable to assume they would have a picture of Madara.
They built a giant statue at the Valley of the End that showed as much resemblence as the Hokage heads. Which is more than enough recognition. So its reasonable to assume that even if it wasn't a photograph, there was some medium that which people could recognize Madara.
Plus, he's famous as Hashirama. He's a co-founder of the Leaf, head of the Uchiha in his prime. Its more than reasonable to assume people could know his face.
I dont mean to argue any side of the argument, just the fact that a photo or otherwise of Madara during that time was most likely available.
1) Sasuke doesnt know what Madara looks like, Village burned down when he was young so I doubt any uchiha showed him a picture if they even had any, and I highly doubt they covered Madara in his Konoha history class. What makes you think Sasuke knows what Madara looks like? People had a hard enough time recognizing the 4th and the 1st and they have there faces on the mountain side of konoha.
2) Obito has half his body warped remember? If Kisame saw him before and then saw him again and recognized the warping on half of his body then that would be a huge signal that, wait a second I saw a guy before with this kind of weird half body warping and he was controlling the mizukage, and now another guy is controlling the akatsuki? Could it be the same guy?? Not to mention that Obito wore a mask back then as well, so what are the chances of them not being the same person, I am pretty sure kisame had his suspicious from the beginning.
3) Kisame was 29 at PT1 and Kakashi was 27 at PT1, Obito is the same age as Kakashi. Obito met Madara when he was 13, and when he met him he had white long hair, was short, and could not leave the cave because the hashirama clone was keeping him alive. So either we believe that Madara dyed his hair and fixed his posture and found a way to leave the cave after meeting Obito not to mention that the Kisame we see in the scan is really around 15 years old or we can believe that it is in fact Obito who let his hair grow out[
Cant properly rebut my answer? Typical, seems that you're losing credibility fast.
I proved that the naruto timeline =/= real world timeline in terms of technology. I merely used cars as an example of this, & seeing as you cant come up with any valid response other than "im going off topic", it simply looks like you're getting backed into a corner
Hahaha! What facs?! You've proved absolutely nothing XD
"lol madara has pictures" What kind of pathetic f*ckin argument is that? Enough of your bullsh*t, you lost, give up U_U
Age doesnt matter, obito doesnt look like a kid when he's with zetsu. The longer hair further increases how old he looks.
Kisame doesnt know how or when madara died, unless obito looked like an infant then kisame has absolutely no reason to object to obito's appearance.
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How old does he look to you in that scan?? To me he looks like he could be well into his 30s. I repeat, age doesnt matter...
Cant prove that konoha has his picture, cant prove that his picture even exists. Saying that he's in the bingo book when you cant even confirm the following is laughable XD
You are a seriously delusional little man, I think you're trolling at this point because someone cant be this big of a moron without having some kind of "issue", Lol.
Obito was recovering from almost dying, derp.
& finally, putting this pathetic attempt to rest:
Obito & madara are the only uchiha left with that kind of hairstyle, but wait a minute.......why is the shadow's hair black??? Madara's is clearly white during this time, is it not???
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Obito's black hair proves you wrong, he is also opening his right eye....you know......the one that madara doesnt possess, lmfao..
You are completely wrong, obito is talking to kisame, that is a fact.
Ok im tired of going back and forth with you so ill make this as simple as I can for you
Obito is kakashi's age, in his early 30's
16 years ago obito would have been about 16-17 years old because that's about how old kakashi and guy looked during the konoha attack by the kyuubi
The fact that the masked man was behind the kyuubi attack is proof that akatsuki was formed already because we all know akatsuki focus on bijuu and the masked man wanted to capture the kyuubi early but lost to minato. (Nagato was the leader at that time while obito was pulling strings from the shadows)
Now, since the akatsuki is formed already, GUESS WHAT?? kisame is a member. And since kisame is a member that mean its is PHYSICALLY impossible for obito to have talked to kisame that long ago. The man talking to kisame is CLEARLY older than 16-17 years old.
I already know what your gonna say now, so ill answer it now. Kisame joined akatsuki that long ago because he comment on orochimaru leaving the organization 10+ years ago, keep in mind this isn't when kisame joined, its when oro left. This proves that kisame has automatically been in akatsuki for 10+ years, and its obvious that he's been around akatsuki way longer than 10+ years because he doesn't just mention orochimaru leaving, he's reminiscing about the old gathering that akatsuki use to have with orochimaru present. Even more proof is that itachi was a little kid during the kyuubi attack and if akatsuki was already formed then that means we can use itachi's age as 100% proof, itachi is about 21 so he was about 5 years old during the kyuubi attack and sasuke was just born. That's 16 year automatically that kisame was with akatsuki and 8 or 10 years as itachi's partner. This is just based on the kyuubi attack. Now that we have itachi's age we can find out that obito was about 16-17 years old (about 10-11 years older than itachi like kakashi) during the kyuubi attack (what do you know, the timeline fits PERFECTLY). Now this is only if obito talked to kisame right before the kyuubi attack because if not obito would be even more younger than 16-17, which makes the plot hole even more laughable. Kisame had JUST turned evil when the long hair guy approached kisame which mean obito can only be 16-17 years old MAXIMUM age because for sure this is before the kyuubi attack, like i said akatsuki was formed before the kyuubi attack and thats 16 years AT LEAST.
Now I just proved that kisame has been in akatsuki for 16 years AT LEAST, itachi is about 5 years old, sasuke was a new born, and obito is 16-17 years old. This is undenable proof that obito is PHYSICALLY around 16-17 years (under the age of 18 years old for sure because kakashi and guy dont look 18 in the kyuubi attack arc) when the man with long hair talked to kisame. So if your gonna tell me that the man talking to kisame is under the age of 18, then you might as well not look for a reply from me because you obviously wouldn't have common sense.
1) Sasuke doesnt know what Madara looks like, Village burned down when he was young so I doubt any uchiha showed him a picture if they even had any, and I highly doubt they covered Madara in his Konoha history class. What makes you think Sasuke knows what Madara looks like? People had a hard enough time recognizing the 4th and the 1st and they have there faces on the mountain side of konoha.
2) Obito has half his body warped remember? If Kisame saw him before and then saw him again and recognized the warping on half of his body then that would be a huge signal that, wait a second I saw a guy before with this kind of weird half body warping and he was controlling the mizukage, and now another guy is controlling the akatsuki? Could it be the same guy?? Not to mention that Obito wore a mask back then as well, so what are the chances of them not being the same person, I am pretty sure kisame had his suspicious from the beginning.
3) Kisame was 29 at PT1 and Kakashi was 27 at PT1, Obito is the same age as Kakashi. Obito met Madara when he was 13, and when he met him he had white long hair, was short, and could not leave the cave because the hashirama clone was keeping him alive. So either we believe that Madara dyed his hair and fixed his posture and found a way to leave the cave after meeting Obito not to mention that the Kisame we see in the scan is really around 15 years old or we can believe that it is in fact Obito who let his hair grow out[
I didn't read all the comments but I read the theory and my guess is obito maybe put kisame under genjutsu or did a transformation technique to look just like madara because obito would know after all.
The man talking to kisame is CLEARLY older than 16-17 years old.
So if your gonna tell me that the man talking to kisame is under the age of 18, then you might as well not look for a reply from me because you obviously wouldn't have common sense.
These are the only two sentences I need to reply to, everything else you said is of no relevance to my reply.
Prove that the man who was talking to kisame was older. Give me legitimate, definitive, proof that an older man was talking to kisame. Besides I already proved you wrong with my manga scan, the man's eye was on the right side of his head, madara has a left eye only. Furthermore, obito's hair was black while madara's was white, now give me a logical explanation as to why madara would even need to dye his hair. There is none so the fact that you keep rebutting this is sad. Its a fact that obito was talking to kisame, his hair & eye already show us this. Youre straight denying the manga now & adding in false information to try & discover some lame ass plothole that's not even there.....Please, this is getting boring
sasuke knows what madara looks like because sasuke fought naruto at the valley of the end
sasuke stood on madara's statue if I remember correctly
So what? put obito on that statue with madara's hair & you wouldnt tell the difference. Saying that sasuke knows madara's exact appearance because of a carving on a mountain is just you grasping at straws...& as someone already kindly pointed out, not everybody knows what the hokage look like, yet their statues are carved into the side of konoha. Explain that...
These are the only two sentences I need to reply to, everything else you said is of no relevance to my reply.
Prove that the man who was talking to kisame was older. Give me legitimate, definitive, proof that an older man was talking to kisame. Besides I already proved you wrong with my manga scan, the man's eye was on the right side of his head, madara has a left eye only. Furthermore, obito's hair was black while madara's was white, now give me a logical explanation as to why madara would even need to dye his hair. There is none so the fact that you keep rebutting this is sad. Its a fact that obito was talking to kisame, his hair & eye already show us this. Youre straight denying the manga now & adding in false information to try & discover some lame ass plothole that's not even there.....Please, this is getting boring
So what? put obito on that statue with madara's hair & you wouldnt tell the difference. Saying that sasuke knows madara's exact appearance because of a carving on a mountain is just you grasping at straws...& as someone already kindly pointed out, not everybody knows what the hokage look like, yet their statues are carved into the side of konoha. Explain that...
ALL uchiha's were alive when that guy approached kisame, which means it can be anyone, I never said it was madara, I said it WASNT obito
About the pic, well first off his hair looks dull better yet dry, this indicates a sign of being old. And if you want to be VERY detailed, his feet has black polish like akatsuki (obito wasn't apart of akatsuki yet)
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smh, what more proof do you need????????????????? you keep asking me to prove how would people know what madara looks like, and now your saying sasuke standing on madara's statue isnt proof, wtf?? im seriously starting to think your trolling now, you talked about cars in the shinobi world to try to bring a point and now this.
if you don't call sasuke start on a madara statue proof then I honestly don't know what you call proof
FAIL Sauske didn't even know who Madara was until the begining of Shippuden when the fox told him about it
And Kisame is from the mist village and Obito was the kage of it, it's possible rumors about the man behind the scenes where spread. Also didn't Kisame see "Madara" before?
FAIL Sauske didn't even know who Madara was until the begining of Shippuden when the fox told him about it
And Kisame is from the mist village and Obito was the kage of it, it's possible rumors about the man behind the scenes where spread. Also didn't Kisame see "Madara" before?
Because all uchiha have bandages covering their body, as well as long hair & only 1 eye? riiiiight...../sarcasm
Obito was talking to kisame, occam's razor greatly favor's my side of this debate, therefore it is more likely than your theory. Your explanation sounds ridiculous & has no logical basis. So unless you can give me a legitimate reason as to why it wasn't obito who was talking to kisame when all the signs point to him being there then you are wrong. Simple as that.
About the pic, well first off his hair looks dull better yet dry, this indicates a sign of being old. And if you want to be VERY detailed, his feet has black polish like akatsuki (obito wasn't apart of akatsuki yet)
Wrong, If you deny this fact then I'm done with your petty excuses. Obito's hair is pure black in that scan, fact. How about we ask other people on the base whether they think obito's hair in that pic is black or "grey". I grantee that nobody will agree with you. Black is black, & you saying that its "grayed" out means that you're desperately trying to come up with excuses to fabricate some sort of claim. You are wrong, that hair is black.
Obito was in that scan.
& as for the nail polish, how the hell do you know when obito painted his toenails?? You once again come up with petty excuses & no proof to support your claims. Everything you've said thus far has been rebutted with ease due to you lacking the understanding of what a fact truly is.
I suggest you quit this, there's nothing more you can say to further this debate
smh, what more proof do you need????????????????? you keep asking me to prove how would people know what madara looks like, and now your saying sasuke standing on madara's statue isnt proof, wtf?? im seriously starting to think your trolling now, you talked about cars in the shinobi world to try to bring a point and now this.
Why didnt sakura recognize minato? She definitely saw his statue yet she was still unaware of who minato really was. This alone proves you wrong because going by your logic, sakura should know exactly what minato looks like, there should be absolutely no confusion. So nice try, but a statue doesnt give the distinction between madara & obito. As I said, give obito the same hair & voila....he's madara in the statue.
& Lmao, I proved you wrong with my car example but I guess you're still sore about it? XD Sorry but I'm not even trying to prove a point in this portion of the debate, I'm simply proving your point wrong. My explanations don't need to be perfect as I'm not trying to theorize anything. Im simply rebutting the terribly flawed argument you have in front of you. The only fact i'm proving is that obito was talking to kisame. Other than that i'm merely here to pick apart your flawed logic & reasoning. If I can use cars in my examples to prove you wrong then why is that a problem?? Its not my fault if I'm correct, just dont be upset about it
if you don't call sasuke start on a madara statue proof then I honestly don't know what you call proof
This scan proves you wrong. Statues cant tell what a person looks like, going by your logic sakura should know exactly who minato is. Statues dont confirm appearance, how about you take a look at mountain carvings. Not everybody looks like a sculpture, saying otherwise with no sound evidence is terribly incorrect. Sorry but "sasuke standing on madara's statue" is not proof that sasuke can tell the difference between obito & madara.
