Obito/Masked Man Misunderstanding

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your argument is pointless
will u say current Tsunade is not d tsunade who use 2 fought wit sannins.
she should be old.probably white hairs,wrinkled face etc etc.
so is she an imposter.
nope man.kishi had made her lyk that wit diamond seal on forehead.
same way kisame dont care if a young obito calls himself madara afterall he was controlling a jinchuriki.
 

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your argument is pointless
will u say current Tsunade is not d tsunade who use 2 fought wit sannins.
she should be old.probably white hairs,wrinkled face etc etc.
so is she an imposter.
nope man.kishi had made her lyk that wit diamond seal on forehead.
same way kisame dont care if a young obito calls himself madara afterall he was controlling a jinchuriki.

OK...explain to me how obito was old enough to talk to kisame YEARS ago, that was an old guy talking to kisame

And your example of tsunade is whats pointless.....please stop wasting my time

If your gonna try to throw similar situations out there as an insult, go it correctly
 

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OK...explain to me how obito was old enough to talk to kisame YEARS ago, that was an old guy talking to kisame

And your example of tsunade is whats pointless.....please stop wasting my time

If your gonna try to throw similar situations out there as an insult, go it correctly

Tsunade example is not pointless.
how many shinobi do u think know that there is some type of jutsu that can keep u young.
i bet Chiyo and other grumpy old ladies would giv anything 2 learn that jutsu.

now coming to OT how r u sayin that it was old man's voice.
besides rather seeing his age kisame believes his achievements of manipulating a jinchuriki who was also a kage.which probably madara could only do.even Mei also told somewhere that due to obito,mist village became a bloody village.
 
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obito is around kakashi's age

so think about it, kakashi and guy were teens during the kyuubi attack on konoha, so that means obito was a teen

now, think about akatsuki, oro was in akatsuki when he left konoha WAY BEFORE itachi even grew up and joined, that means kisame join akatuki 16+ years ago AT LEAST (kisame made a comment about oro leaving which proves they were in akatsuki TOGETHER, ill find the link if you want), while obito was only a teen maybe younger and obito wasn't even a member of akatsuki yet, nagato was the leader. And this is only if I assume kisame joined akatsuki immediately.

Ahh I see what you're saying then, so Kisame would have had to met a young Obito. But in any case, this is still valid as he could have had easily met with Kisame sometime between Madara's death - Konoha's Kyuubi attack, which is give or take 6-12 months since the Kyuubi attack was close to after the war Obito was believed to have died in (I'm pretty sure that's the case:eww:). In that case, Kisame would have met a young Obito with the scars and had the long hair.
 

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moreover u cannot explain howcome thousands of people accepting young tsunade but u r argueing that howcome one kisame accepted tobi as young Madara.
both d situation r similar.plus it is d perfect example for ur thread.
 

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obito is like 34 atm 10 years ago he was 24

10 years ago at least

actually I believe it was 16+ years ago when kisame talked to "madara", read my previous post

Tsunade example is not pointless.
how many shinobi do u think now that there is some type of jutsu that can keep u young.
i bet Chiyo and other grumpy old ladies would giv anything 2 learn that jutsu.

now coming to OT how r u sayin that it was old man's voice.
besides rather seeing his age kisame believes his achievements of manipulating a jinchuriki who was also a kage.which probably madara could only do.even Mei also told somewhere that due to obito,mist village became a bloody village.

it was pointless because tsunade has nothing to do with this thread, and tsunade has a jutsu make her look younger, not a mask and a scar on her face going around tell people she's madara and people believe without real proof

give me a link of mei saying it was obito that caused the mist village to become bloody village, she said the person that manipulated the mizukage

what part of kisame literally seeing his face didn't you understand?? kisame didn't trust him because he can control the mizukage, kisame asked to see his face after he found out about the mizukage being controlled
 

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10 years ago at least

it was pointless because tsunade has nothing to do with this thread, and tsunade has a jutsu make her look younger, not a mask and a scar on her face going around tell people she's madara and people believe without real proof

give me a link of mei saying it was obito that caused the mist village to become bloody village, she said the person that manipulated the mizukage

what part of kisame literally seeing his face didn't you understand?? kisame didn't trust him because he can control the mizukage, kisame asked to see his face after he found out about the mizukage being controlled

firstly let me counter attack ur argument this is wht i got from narutopedia:
During the Third Shinobi World War, he saved Obito Uchiha after the battle of Kannabi Bridge, using artificial mass to replace the destroyed half of Obito's body.He told Obito that he would have to repay his debt to him slowly.Madara then left White Zetsu and a spiral-patterned clone with the task of guarding Obito and helping him with his rehabilitation, so he could be useful to him by the time he woke up.After Obito returned to him as he had predicted, Madara, now certain that Obito was sincere, carried him into a genjutsu and told him about the Sage of the Six Paths and the Ten-Tails. He then explained how he had awakened the Rinnegan, gained access to the empty shell of the Ten-Tails, and cultivated Hashirama's cells. He would go on to teach him various Uchiha kinjutsu, those of the Rinnegan and Yin–Yang Release. Before passing, Madara also created Black Zetsu by pouring his will into White Zetsu and also left part of his will in the chakra receiver which extends from the statue's navel. With that, Madara disconnected himself from the statue and, with his dying breath, told Obito to go and, until the time he was revived, he was to act under his name.
dont believe me u can check it:
so no old man talk 2 kisame.obito only talk wit him.

now if u still want 2 argue go 2 kishi and the makers of narutopedia.
 
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Ahh I see what you're saying then, so Kisame would have had to met a young Obito. But in any case, this is still valid as he could have had easily met with Kisame sometime between Madara's death - Konoha's Kyuubi attack, which is give or take 6-12 months since the Kyuubi attack was close to after the war Obito was believed to have died in (I'm pretty sure that's the case:eww:). In that case, Kisame would have met a young Obito with the scars and had the long hair.

no, because kisame called the masked man mizukage thencalled him madara

do you see the plot hole now?

the age AND the timeline is off, the present is perfect for the masked man being obito but the past is off by a lot

not to mention I said 16+ year AT LEAST, which means obito would have had to talk to kisame as a teen AND it would've had to been around the time of the attack on konoha AND obito still wasnta akatsuki member

if it was any longer than this, obito would be getting younger and younger, no matter how you look at this it does match timeline wise, that's the problem, current obito is fine but the flashback of suppose to be obito are weird and doesn't add up

moreover u cannot explain howcome thousands of people accepting young tsunade but u r argueing that howcome one kisame accepted tobi as young Madara.
both d situation r similar.plus it is d perfect example for ur thread.

wow...well since your so stuck on tsunade and changing the subject:

1. tsunade still looks the SAME, just as her younger form

2. obito looks NOTHING like madara

3. obito isn't using a jutsu at all, he just put on a mask and said he was madara and even showed people his face and people still believed like idiots

4. it STILL doesn't change the fact that obito is too young

your example of trying to prove me wrong by mentioning a jutsu to make yourself look how you did years ago is pointless, its not like it a jutsu to make you look like someone else

firstly let me counter attack ur argument this is wht i got from narutopedia:
During the Third Shinobi World War, he saved Obito Uchiha after the battle of Kannabi Bridge, using artificial mass to replace the destroyed half of Obito's body.He told Obito that he would have to repay his debt to him slowly.Madara then left White Zetsu and a spiral-patterned clone with the task of guarding Obito and helping him with his rehabilitation, so he could be useful to him by the time he woke up.After Obito returned to him as he had predicted, Madara, now certain that Obito was sincere, carried him into a genjutsu and told him about the Sage of the Six Paths and the Ten-Tails. He then explained how he had awakened the Rinnegan, gained access to the empty shell of the Ten-Tails, and cultivated Hashirama's cells. He would go on to teach him various Uchiha kinjutsu, those of the Rinnegan and Yin–Yang Release. Before passing, Madara also created Black Zetsu by pouring his will into White Zetsu and also left part of his will in the chakra receiver which extends from the statue's navel. With that, Madara disconnected himself from the statue and, with his dying breath, told Obito to go and, until the time he was revived, he was to act under his name.
dont believe me u can check it:
so no old man talk 2 kisame.obito only talk wit him.

.......smh

NARUTOPEDIA IS BASED ON THE MANGA IDIOT

this thread is a about what kishimoto ORIGINALLY wanted and planned

you don't even understand this thread, I NEVER SAID WHAT IM SAYING IS A FACT, I called it a plot hole, so in other words this is a transcending question put into a thread, which I used proof from the manga

learn how to comprehend the purpose of a thread bro
 
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look i gave u proof above said by madara himself 2 obito.
now wht else u want.
madara didnt said these "words until the time i(Madara) was revived,u(Obito) was to act under my(Madara) name" to any other shinobi nor uchiha.
 

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look i gave u proof above said by madara himself 2 obito.
now wht else u want.
madara didnt said these "words until the time i(Madara) was revived,u(Obito) was to act under my(Madara) name" to any other shinobi nor uchiha.

you didn't give me proof

I dont understand this post
 

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I don't think they knew what Madara actually looked like.

Lol 1st post killed the thread :p Neither of them knew of madara's true face, so even if sasuke saw obito in the cave then he has no way to know if he's lying.

Kisame also can easily recognize a half-scarred face immediately, its obvious..
 

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look now u r trolling.
u r not ready 2 take proof.
u r not ready 2 accept kisame accepting obito as madara just like itachi did.
u r not even ready 2 hear someone else theory.(Tsunade one)
so y hav u made this thread if u r not ready 2 acknowledge d truth.
tomorrow u will make a thread that kakashi is not a human but so6p or Lord Jashin.and it is kishi mistake that he hasnt shown his face.
well accept it obito is masked man/tobi and kakashi will be kakashi.
 

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Lol 1st post killed the thread :p Neither of them knew of madara's true face, so even if sasuke saw obito in the cave then he has no way to know if he's lying.

Kisame also can easily recognize a half-scarred face immediately, its obvious..

everyone knows what madara looks like, I already said this

- top left corner, the fodder knows madara

gaara, oonoki, and naruto fought muu alone so no one else really saw muu, so the "!!!" isn't at muu

case closed

look now u r trolling.
u r not ready 2 take proof.
u r not ready 2 accept kisame accepting obito as madara just like itachi did.
u r not even ready 2 hear someone else theory.(Tsunade one)
so y hav u made this thread if u r not ready 2 acknowledge d truth.
tomorrow u will make a thread that kakashi is not a human but so6p or Lord Jashin.and it is kishi mistake that he hasnt shown his face.
well accept it obito is masked man/tobi and kakashi will be kakashi.

you say im trolling yet you STILL havent posted a single link from the manga unlike me, oh the irony

im STILL waiting for someone to explain how obito was old enough to have talked to kisame that long ago, you keep saying he grew his hair but that has NOTHING to do with his age being to low
 
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everyone knows what madara looks like, I already say so

- top left corner, the fodder knows madara

gaara, oonoki, and naruto fought muu alone so no one else really saw muu, so the "!!!" isn't at muu

case closed

no everyone dont knw how madara look like.everyone cannot enter konoha.anbu would kill them.so they cannot see madara statue.
just lyk i dont knw how oro would look like if he got his own body and aged like Jiraya and other humans do.
 

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Okay, so I'm still confused about the whole issue as well, and I hope Kishi clears it up soon enough, but there is some evidence that it is not old Madara with the long hair.

It MAY not be considered canon though. Look at Obito/Madara's body as he talks to Kisame as the Mizukage. He's heavily bandaged. You cant see it in the manga, but it is clear in the anime episode that only HALF of the body is bandaged because one arm is not wrapped in gauge, leading me to believe it is Obito. But again, may dont consider canon episodes of the anime to be truly canon, and I understand that completely.

But still, its worth mentioning in the Kisame flashback episode (somewhere in the Confining the Jinchuriiki Arc) that only half of the body is bandaged, when looking at the hands.(the injury from Minato.)

check 1:55

Can someone check the release date of that episode btw? And when it correlates to the latest manga chapter at that time? Because I found it curious that they bandaged half the body unless they had the say-so from Kishi to do that. if it even works that way lol.
 

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no everyone dont knw how madara look like.everyone cannot enter konoha.anbu would kill them.so they cannot see madara statue.
just lyk i dont knw how oro would look like if he got his own body and aged like Jiraya and other humans do.

like I said before, every village has a bingo book, you know the same book that has a list of all criminals

how do you think everyone know how itachi and orochimaru look???? the bingo book
 

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you say im trolling yet you STILL havent posted a single link from the manga unlike me, oh the irony

im STILL waiting for someone to explain how obito was old enough to have talked to kisame that long ago, you keep saying he grew his hair but that has NOTHING to do with his age being to low

ok let me assume obito right side wasn't fully healed up.is that ok wit u.
he was still wrapped up by zetsu.so d only thing kisame must have seen is his ms.alright.
same kisame must have seen his ms when tobi was in akatsuki hideout so he thought he was d same person he talked wht 10yrs ago.
and as far as some old man was talking it was never mentioned.
 

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everyone knows what madara looks like, I already said this

- top left corner, the fodder knows madara

gaara, oonoki, and naruto fought muu alone so no one else really saw muu, so the "!!!" isn't at muu

case closed

He was referring to Muu, lol..............

The surprise comes from a new enemy appearing before him (an enemy that he hasnt even seen according to you)

You think case is closed but you are wrong, that fodder does not know madara's true appearance ;)

like I said before, every village has a bingo book, you know the same book that has a list of all criminals

how do you think everyone know how itachi and orochimaru look???? the bingo book

Just wow if you think that the bingo book has a picture of madara.
 

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Okay, so I'm still confused about the whole issue as well, and I hope Kishi clears it up soon enough, but there is some evidence that it is not old Madara with the long hair.

It MAY not be considered canon though. Look at Obito/Madara's body as he talks to Kisame as the Mizukage. He's heavily bandaged. You cant see it in the manga, but it is clear in the anime episode that only HALF of the body is bandaged because one arm is not wrapped in gauge, leading me to believe it is Obito. But again, may dont consider canon episodes of the anime to be truly canon, and I understand that completely.

But still, its worth mentioning in the Kisame flashback episode (somewhere in the Confining the Jinchuriiki Arc) that only half of the body is bandaged, when looking at the hands.(the injury from Minato.)

check 1:55

Can someone check the release date of that episode btw? And when it correlates to the latest manga chapter at that time? Because I found it curious that they bandaged half the body unless they had the say-so from Kishi to do that. if it even works that way lol.

I respect you attempt but

1. the wrong side is bandaged up

2. the anime is based of the manga which this thread is based of what I believe was kishi original choice

3. that wouldn't prove anything, it would've been a coincidence, remember this is an old episode back when the face was revealed yet
 
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