Obito is weaker than Kakashi

[Bogard]

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- He is faster, smarter, greater ninjutsu variety, more skilfull taijutsu or ninja fundamental basics than him

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- Obito already stated Kakashi

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, but only spared his life because he had pity on him

- Obito himself once again

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Why people are trying to ignore manga facts and only see what they want to see is beyond me

I feel like Kakashi has always been underrated in this manga. Anyway, even underrated, there is manga to back-up his power levels or improvement no matter how much people try to deny it

Kakashi foretold Obito's destiny anyway and that is a fact

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[BlackFlame44]

I still expected more from him

 

[Punk Hazard]

Obito is stronger. Obito used no Mokuton there or Rinnegan techs. He's also faster. You seem to forget Kakashi was replenished by Kurama while Obito has been exhausting himself throughout this war.

 

[yanzlhey]

yeah... obito kinda suck when his in his own dimension... but when his in the real world his a bad ass.... kakashi can beat him... thats clear but without obitos sharingan in kakashi naruto bee and gai and kakashi cant hit him

 

[Erza Scarlet]

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- He is faster, smarter, greater ninjutsu variety, more skilfull taijutsu or ninja fundamental basics than him

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- Obito already stated Kakashi

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, but only spared his life because he had pity on him

- Obito himself once again

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Why people are trying to ignore manga facts and only see what they want to see is beyond me

I feel like Kakashi has always been underrated in this manga. Anyway, even underrated, there is manga to back-up his power levels or improvement no matter how much people try to deny it

Kakashi foretold Obito's destiny anyway and that is a fact

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That's very wrong, Obito without Kamui is equal to Kakashi and that's with limiting his best ability. Take away Kakashi's best ability as well then lets see what happens.

Obito is stronger. Obito used no Mokuton there or Rinnegan techs. He's also faster. You seem to forget Kakashi was replenished by Kurama while Obito has been exhausting himself throughout this war.

This as well...

 

[Nous]

I disagree. Kakashi only got those chances because it was 4 vs 1 and Obito had more than half his arsenal restricted if Kamūi is excluded. Kakashi is not stronger than Obito. Tell me how he would be a Full-Powered Obito [with Edo Jinchūriki, Gedō Mazō] at full chakra levels considering Obito also has the Mokuton, Rinnegan & Mangekyō Sharingan in a fair 1 v 1.

 

[yanzlhey]

I disagree. Kakashi only got those chances because it was 4 vs 1 and Obito had more than half his arsenal restricted if Kamūi is excluded. Kakashi is not stronger than Obito. Tell me how he would be a Full-Powered Obito [with Edo Jinchūriki, Gedō Mazō] at full chakra levels considering Obito also has the Mokuton, Rinnegan & Mangekyō Sharingan in a fair 1 v 1.

agreed......

 

[Bogard]

Obito is stronger. Obito used no Mokuton there or Rinnegan techs. He's also faster. You seem to forget Kakashi was replenished by Kurama while Obito has been exhausting himself throughout this war.

LOL again talking about an unexisting Obito? Obito used no mokuton because his mokuton are fodder level even compared to someone like Yamato, so it would have made no difference at all. He can't use Rinnengan techniques as well so far we know. I could also say Kakashi never used his thousand techniques when you are at it. You only use your best move in battle especially when we talk about a war where someone like Obito wanted to win at all cost. He did all he could and still got his ass kicked. There is no excuse there. And no, Kyubi chakra cloak vanished even before Kakashi entered Kamui's dimension, so there was no influence in chakra there. That is just excuses that you are trying to come up with that were never presented in this manga like the other nonsense contradicting the manga that Obito is faster than Obito

I like how people twist the manga just because they hated the outcome of the fight. No matter what people think, it happened, so deal with it already

 

[yanzlhey]

LOL again talking about an unexisting Obito? Obito used no mokuton because his mokuton are fodder level even compared to someone like Yamato, so it would have made no difference at all. He can't use Rinnengan techniques as well so far we know. I could also say Kakashi never used his thousand techniques when you are at it. You only use your best move in battle especially when we talk about a war where someone like Obito wanted to win at all cost. He did all he could and still got his ass kicked. There is no excuse there. And no, Kyubi chakra cloak vanished even before Kakashi entered Kamui's dimension, so there was no influence in chakra there. That is just excuses that you are trying to come up with that were never presented in this manga like the other nonsense contradicting the manga that Obito is faster than Obito

I like how people twist the manga just because they hated the outcome of the fight. No matter what people think, it happened, so deal with it already

dude,... obitos mokuton isn't weak.... you see what he did with those ninja's while he saved kakashi???? and plus... obito cant be touched in the real world.... we all know that... kakashi got the luck that his eye is a good counter for obito.. without obitos own eye.... he cant be touched

 

[Aertes]

That's very wrong, Obito without Kamui is equal to Kakashi and that's with limiting his best ability. Take away Kakashi's best ability as well then lets see what happens.

Kakashi's best ability (kamui) was also taken away. This argument is invalid.

Stronger??No.

Able to outsmart him and overcome power with intelligence and speed, yes.

 

[garas56]

with Full Knowlage Kakashi>Obito Without Knowlage Obioto>Kakashi
In dimension Kakashi>Obito
In real world Its Hard to say how this wuld Gooo....
power with intelligence and speed are Something Kakashi has Mastered well and Obito is to dumb to kill Kakashi....

 

[Bogard]

dude,... obitos mokuton isn't weak.... you see what he did with those ninja's while he saved kakashi???? and plus... obito cant be touched in the real world.... we all know that... kakashi got the luck that his eye is a good counter for obito.. without obitos own eye.... he cant be touched

Obito's mokuton feats are shit compared to Yamato. All what he can create is a weak root. Obito also got lucky to have Senju DNA helping him to spam his techniques when you are at it, he got lucky to have been trained by Madara learning him some Uchiha techniques. Even with all that he got his ass kicked. I don't what people are trying to deny here when we have manga facts

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[Moegi of Akatsuki]

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[~Zonta~]

Obito was defeated easily in the latest chapters and its obvious to feel that he was overlooked or trolled by Kishi but fight had its significance and importance itself the flash back and paneling was great. Obito was defeated by Kakashi but people forget to take the basic parameters that were involved in the fight some of them are : -

• Obito never once used his Rinnegan at all. If he had used it Obito would have absorbed the Raikiri means the jutsu itself but he didn't. And as for a Kunai I don't think it would have damaged him.
• The size of the Katon used was smaller as compared to what he used earlier.
• He never used Kamui attack to attack kakahi with giant shurikens .

Its because Obito was running low on chakra his chakra was depleted thanks to 6 bijuu's and the gedou majau and outer path of the rinnegan. Kakashi on the other hand was given chakra by Kuruma twice to be precise. Chakra depletion was one of the reason the black rods which carries Madara's will were able to take control of Obito's body so that Madara can over power obito to force him to use Rinne tensei no jutsu.

 

[DocThao]

truth

i was actually fooled into believing Obito wasn't a fodder but well . . . true demonstration of Kishi's "amazing" writing

the ultimate twist, the super powerful villain is actually just some fodder ninja

 

[Fresco]

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No. [

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Key word: Tied. Canonically, Kakashi's feats in genjutsu are inferior to Obito.

- He is faster

No, take for instance the scans above. Reaction time,

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smarter

I would agree to an extent. But just because you're more intelligent doesn't mean you are stronger.

greater ninjutsu variety,

I hope you know Rinnegan counts as ninjutsu...

more skilfull taijutsu or ninja fundamental basics than him

Most definitely not. Obito was simultaneously fighting Naruto, Kakashi, Guy, and B without them even touching him for the most part. I highly doubt Kakashi can accomplish such a feat. Outside of Kamui's dimension (before Kakashi's chakra and health were replenished by Kurama), Obito was besting him in taijutsu [

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]. But like a lot of things, you choose to ignore these instances in favor of your boy Kakashi.

- Obito already stated Kakashi

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, but only spared his life because he had pity on him

That's hilarious. I'd love for you to find the "multiple" instances Kakashi had a chance to kill him. I've only seen once, as shown, but it was with the aid of Naruto. I hope you know Obito had chance to kill Kakashi well. Instead of slashing the chest of Kakashi, he could have pierced him in the above image. But again, you choose to ignore it.

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Admitted defeat in a clearly circumstantial fight. Obito had no access to Kamui, his main fighting technique. His Katon was substantially weaker when it has been shown to be much greater. Obito was clearly drained of chakra as well, unlike Kakashi whose Chakra was replenished by Kurama. Kakashi shouldn't have been able to use Rakiri and Kamui that many times in this war, but he was able to due to plot reasons. I'd love to see how well Minato does without Hiraishingiri.

Why people are trying to ignore manga facts and only see what they want to see is beyond me

I feel like Kakashi has always been underrated in this manga. Anyway, even underrated, there is manga to back-up his power levels or improvement no matter how much people try to deny it

Kakashi foretold Obito's destiny anyway and that is a fact

@Bold - That's exactly what you're doing now. You've ignored the instances of Obito having the chance to kill him, the fact that he has been taxed this whole war and has had no replenishes (unlike Kakashi who was aided by Kurama's cloak), and the fact that the final battle between the two were purely circumstantial.

@Underlined - There's also manga to back up how Kakashi's chakra and life were rejuvenated by Kurama's cloak and how Obito was drained because of controlling 6 Jinchuriki with his Sharingan simultaneously, summoning the Gedo Mazo, and exerting chakra to control the Juubi. Not to mention the countless times Obito used Kamui.

@Red - I'm starting to think you don't know what the word "fact" entails.

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But aside from the above, I fail to see how Kakashi can get past Gedo Mazo.

 

[Tobby17]

I think Fresco summed it up well

 

[KidGamer65]

Terrible thread.

 

[Lightbringer]

Kakashi asked Obito to stop the genjutsu, he didn't break out of it

Kakashi had his chakra replenished by Kurama twice

Obito had just as many moments to kill kakashi but chose to monologue.....kakashi could have killed Obito when he was busy fighting Naruto and Kakashi was in the dimension

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Obito dodged Kakashi/Guy/Naruto/and Bee all at the same time.....there's no way Kakashi is more skillful

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Bakufu Ranbu would have been too much for Kakashi to handle, yet Obito didn't use it against him.

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yet instead he utilizes a basic, easily dodgeable Katon

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Obito didn't even use mokuton like he did last time, he could've countered the lightning kunai and rebudle with an offense at the same time

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[Tobiramas]

Thought it was obvious