Obito is the weakest S/T Ninjutsu user!

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Based on facts He would lose against them all. Kaguya, Minato, Sasuke, Sasuke and even Itachi since Kamui can't stop or evade a S/T manipulation jutsu like Tsukuyomi, eye contact and you're already finished :lol I kinda feel sorry for him and it doesn't make sense mentioning Kakashi because it's the same jutsu and all the other jutsu's already showed that they owned it. Not in the same league
 

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Rinnegan Obito >>>Tobirama.
 

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How does he counter FTG? it already owned Kamui dude

Minato won so quickly because he took a young inexperienced Obito by surprise, The same tactic would never work twice. In fact, he could probably beat Minato too in a one on one.
 

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Rinne-sharingan> all of that trash.

Nah, man. Amenotejikara has limitations far bigger than FTG. Ameno needs a switching object to work at its full potential, FTG is just mark and go.
 

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I don't think Tsukuyomi would work against other MS users atleast not as a one shot technique.
Obito would beat Minato due to the reason stated above. He was unexperienced and was caught by surprise. That won't happen again.
Tobirama could beat him using his paper bomb technique he used against his JuubiNin form, but he would have to use a significantly larger amount to do so.

Kaguya is immortal and her S/T abilities are superior by far, no contest. All killing ash bone GG
 

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Actually each S/T has their own abilities and limitations. Overall, Kaguya's is the best where she can even switch between dimensions instantly or open small portals behind her enemies to do surprise attacks but lacks Kamui's intagibility ability, Kamui is the most versatile S/T technique and if Obito had Kaguya levels chakra he too could have teleported between dimensions, followed by FTG and the weakest is ameno.
Sasuke's inter dimensional portals are quite taxing and slow based on what we've seen so far so he can't use them in the heat of battle. Its restricted to inter dimensional travel only.
 

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Actually each S/T has their own abilities and limitations. Overall, Kaguya's is the best where she can even switch between dimensions instantly or open small portals behind her enemies to do surprise attacks but lacks Kamui's intagibility ability, Kamui is the most versatile S/T technique and if Obito had Kaguya levels chakra he too could have teleported between dimensions, followed by FTG and the weakest is ameno.
Sasuke's inter dimensional portals are quite taxing and slow based on what we've seen so far so he can't use them in the heat of battle. Its restricted to inter dimensional travel only.

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Nah, man. Amenotejikara has limitations far bigger than FTG. Ameno needs a switching object to work at its full potential, FTG is just mark and go.

That's for when the person to whom he wants to teleport is out of range, but normally, he doesn't need anything to switch with.

FTG is all versatile and convenient when it's set up, but if your opponent came out of nowhere, you kind of have to tell him to wait to plant your kunai around. Either he lets you do that or he runs straight towards you before you get prep time and we both know a smart opponent's gonna want the latter.

Plus it's less effective when the opponent has Intel. It's even that ineffective when the user isn't fast. We saw what transpired when Minato threw one of his special kunai in front of Madara who quickly deciphered what was going.

Amenotejikara, however never loses that surprise element. With it you never know where the attack is coming from. Whether he's teleporting directly or teleporting other objects or switching your position itself.

And Sasuke just has to know where to teleport to unlike having to tag the area, and FTG is pretty useless without firepower. You can teleport to your opponent but not have enough firepower to inflict material damage.
 
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Actually each S/T has their own abilities and limitations. Overall, Kaguya's is the best where she can even switch between dimensions instantly or open small portals behind her enemies to do surprise attacks but lacks Kamui's intagibility ability, Kamui is the most versatile S/T technique and if Obito had Kaguya levels chakra he too could have teleported between dimensions, followed by FTG and the weakest is ameno.
Sasuke's inter dimensional portals are quite taxing and slow based on what we've seen so far so he can't use them in the heat of battle. Its restricted to inter dimensional travel only.

Wasn't it because he had been travelling in and out of dimensions that made him unable to use his Rinnegan to its full power against Momoshiki?
 

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That's for when the person to whom he wants to teleport is out of range, but normally, he doesn't need anything to switch with.

FTG is all versatile and convenient when it's set up, but if your opponent came out of nowhere, you kind of have to tell him to wait to plant your kunai around. Either he lets you do that or he runs straight towards you before you get prep time and we both know a smart opponent's gonna want the latter.

Plus it's less effective when the opponent has Intel. It's even that ineffective when the user isn't fast. We saw what transpired when Minato threw one of his special kunai in front of Madara who quickly deciphered what was going.

Amenotejikara, however never loses that surprise element. With it you never know where the attack is coming from. Whether he's teleporting directly or teleporting other objects or switching your position itself.

And Sasuke just has to know where to teleport to unlike having to tag the area, and FTG is pretty useless without firepower. You can teleport to your opponent but not have enough firepower to inflict material damage.

Actually Minato doesn't have to plant a Kunai to teleport in case a surprise attack comes out of nowhere, he has a lot of locations marked with his seals throughout the world and he could simply teleport to anyone of them instantly.
Any technique is weak when the opponent has intel and means to exploit that weakness. Ameno's is its short range and usage limit. So Sasuke has to be very careful when he uses it and not end up wasting it. Stay out of the ameno's limit and its useless, trick the user into using the technique up to its maximum usage and its useless.

Wasn't it because he had been travelling in and out of dimensions that made him unable to use his Rinnegan to its full power against Momoshiki?

Yep when he opened that portal to take Boruto and the Kages to fight Momo, that sure did take a toll on him.
 
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ameno is indeed the best, it's the only S/T technique that can teleport the opponent himself to the position the user wants, like Sasuke did with Madara and Kaguya

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its also faster than FTG and double Kamui
 
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Actually Minato doesn't have to plant a Kunai to teleport in case a surprise attack comes out of nowhere, he has a lot of locations marked with his seals throughout the world and he could simply teleport to anyone of them instantly.
Any technique is weak when the opponent has intel and means to exploit that weakness. Ameno's is its short range and usage limit. So Sasuke has to be very careful when he uses it and not end up wasting it. Stay out of the ameno's limit and its useless, trick the user into using the technique up to its maximum usage and its useless.

Your opinion of Ameno is driven by the fact first of all, you know it's very versatile and has a limitation to its teleportation range, so you think others are better because theirs isn't limited.

Kamui for instance can at first glance seem like it's the best out of them all but when you ask yourself what its weakensss are, you get to see that it isn't all that great.

I really wanna make a thread for why Kamui isn't as great as people deem it but I'm afraid people will be driven by their fixed opinions when they're reading it and I don't wanna waste my time with something of which outcome I already know.

Here's just a few reasons why Kamui doesn't get the first place for me:

>to teleport the user has to solidify
>during that time he gets exposed to physical attacks as the teleportating is slow anyways: it's not eve worth mentioning
>while he's intangible and can't get harmed, he can't attack the opponent so basically during the time he assumes his ghost form, the opponent can quickly think up a way to outsmart when he gets back to normal
>the whole concept of being ghost is lame (I admit that this one's a subjective opinion, but everyone does), as it can easily be his weakness. Against dexterous opponents and ones that think think on their feet, he's easily weakened. Minato saw this and exploited it. Fact beibg Obito thought Minato couldn't touch him.
>there's a limit to the time he can be intangible, and if you have an attack that can go on for as long and a second longer, he's easily done for
>he can't make others intangible, meaning the technique is self and can't really be uswd for team work purposes.
>whike getting one-shot by the long range Kamui seems daunting, an opponent who knows about it can easily tell from the chakra amassing in his eye that he's charging for said technique which is the standard weakness for MS techniques
>if the opponent has S/T, the jutsu gets ****ed up. Someone like Kaguya or Sasuke who can cross dimensions render the whole eye power futile. The essence of it is sending people off into then pocket dimension and starving them to death while you keep sucking in more people to be their companions in death.
>so basically someone like Obito who "strongky relies" on it gets rekt by someone has a high-level S/T and enough speed to take him down while he's in the illusion that you can't touch. Literally meaning he doesn't have to know you have S/T.
>When he's going intangible, his parts appear in the other dimension, if you're as smart as Itachi or just generally smart and you have an S/T ability, you can allow a clone to get sucked in (and cut him up when he phases in the real world). This requiring intel of course.

There's more but I'll not delve much into it, but the weakness definitely eclipse its strength and eat away at its potential.

PS: apologies for the bad spelling and all, I'm not using my PC at the moment.
 
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ameno is indeed the best, it's the only S/T technique that can teleport the opponent himself to the position the user wants, like Sasuke did with Madara and Kaguya

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its also faster than FTG and double Kamui

If Naruto wasn't fast, he could have killed him during their final fight. He appeared right behind him.
 
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