exactly everyone says that madara does this better. as if obito is on a rookie level. obito can simply take what he knows and deplot it with his own special s/t tech and be stronger than madara easily. + rep for not being so ignorant lol
If Obito can't have six paths of pain then Madara can't be an Edo that's just BS
you do raise a nice point here, so you can exclude them. but whether or not they both use it or not, it isnt a counter for obito's s/t so i wouldn't truly change much honestly
and did i not make it clear that im not talking edo madara. if i didn't i apologize, i meant madara without the edo effects. but the only reason edo madara beats obito is due to limitless chakra
you are absolutely right. at least from what we know. obito has barely even attempted to attack. we havent seen him get serious yet remember that.
You see this is the problem you imply that you need to either one of those abilities to counter obito. What those are is just speed and firepower. And yes madara has those.
5min area mountain busting spamming is a good counter to intangibility.
Neither are the body mods which Kabuto blessed Madara (undying body, limitless chakra, youthful appearance + Rinnegan). So i've no idea why you would even bring that up. Who said Madara can just take control of the Mazō whilst Obito is using it? He has the Rinnegan along with the Rikudō blood aswell. Madara can't make Obito turn tangible - the latter can remain evasive for as long as he pleases, especially considering he can use the near-instant (hand seal-less) Shinra Tensei to defend himself during Kamui's cool down period. This match has stalemate written all over it. There is no counter to Obito's defence outside of plot barriers. You cannot give me a scenario where Madara can overcome an Obito who is simply remaining intangible for 5 minutes at a time whilst using Shinra Tensei inbetween, especially considering that he'd have Gedō Mazō w/the Bijuu laying waste to most of Madara's Mokuton jutsu. Perfect Susano'o cannot swing it's sword in Obito's direction for five minutes straight and totally ignore the threat of the Mazō and the Bijuu. Similarly, Obito cannot warp him because Madara can defend with a Shinra Tensei of his own. Obito cannot take his soul with Ningendō because, once again, this requires him to turn tangible - Shinra Tensei would once again negate such a move. Since Madara has an immortal body, Obito has nothing else in his arsenal capable of stopping him. Neither of the two have any reasonable way of actually defeating the other outside of plot barriers.
Which is weird, but maybe he just doesn't have the offensive justu that Madara has? I mean he would have quite a few considering how advanced he is, but more defensive or illusionary moves is his style it seems.
i said NO edo. in the first page my mans. and obito's s/t tech is enough to counter being burned by ama, so it's reaction time is very quick. And you know, i dont want to sound ignorant so lets agree to disagree on the wood style point until we see him use it in the manga as an adult, although i have no idea why your being so stubborn to accept that he can use it. but you still have no counter for kamui through all this lol. Madara can't counter the move its too quick. ints not like obito taks a whole minute to phase out you know.
he hasn't taken anyone in this whole series seriously, the most offense we've seen from him was when he almost killed kakashi, which was almost done with NO effort, and he still most likely wasn't serious.
exactly, if you noticed he's avoided using non edo madara in a thread where i clearly stated that im not using madara with his edo abilities. hes in a corner, face it dude theres no counter.
Madara does have better control of his senju dna and uchiha and being it's orignal master he could control it. Saying just because obito has it does not mean that madara can't make it his and the statue can re-seal the jinchuuriki. And madara can counter any rinnegan tech obito uses with his rinnegan and by the way his usage is much more superior in contrast to someone who doesn't to even have the intelligence to use it at all in battle. And shinra tensei is nothing in comparison to perfect susanoo. The slash from the susanoo is to fast to even react seeing the distance it can cross. And it is spammable thanks to limitless chakra. And with his wood also chasing obito his 5 min would be up in no time and then he would die. I never even said that madara would win simply cause he is madara why did you bother writing about that.
the problem madara faces is that madara cannot hit obito with these powerful, chakra draining techs. he cannot counter kamui
