Obito is not god,1v1 he is not the strongest

[OnPoint]

eh??

It's like you've taken any of Obito's flaws out of context in an attempt to downgrade him. As if he wasn't young and inexperienced against a seasoned S/T user. As if it did not take Konan years of prep time and a scenario where she had Obito falling into 600 billion paper bombs just to inflict an injury which would've been critical - she still wasn't able to kill him. As if it did not take Obito's own power just to injure him with an Ōdama Rasengan, which he easily tanked and healed from. With nothing more than Kamui and his gunbai, he was trolling the combined efforts of Kakashi, Gai, Bee and Naruto, who, as a unit, possess an incredible amount of speed, power, intelligence and tactical nous. You didn't even talk about Obito's other powers, as if he's restricted to Kamui alone. He has Mokuton, forbidden Uchiha techniques such as a complete 10 minute Izanagi and monstrous Katons in general, with his additional powers being Gedō Mazō, the bijū and Edo Jinchūriki paths which he controlled with the outer path of his Rinnegan. The first set alone is enough to create a formidable foe even. But wait, perhaps you may be one of those who senselessly ignores the powers some people have acquired in their prime.

I don't think you understand how easy it is for Obito to warp in certain circumstances. It took Naruto's ability to sense negative emotions just to counter Obito's disappearing into and subsequent exploding from the ground [

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I've read this thread and I just get the feeling you don't fully understand Obito's powers or what he's actually capable of doing. Likely that this has been written with an awful lot of bias against Obito. Perhaps you did not like his role or reasons in becoming Tobi. There's a reason why he is standing on top of the Jūbi as a neo-Rikudō telling Uchiha Madara that he's his dog for the time being.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Tsukiyomi will obviously not work against other MS Uchiha. Base Sharingan Sasuke countered it, come on.

Seriously, people need to stop trying to gauge itachi's skill based off of the sasuke fight... Itachi WANTED sasuke to win and he was sick. While sasuke was in 'tsukuyomi' zetsu said 'why are they just standing around'. Itachi wasn't even altering sasuke's perception of time. As we know, itachi can make 2 seconds feel like 2 days. The fact that itachi has caught 2 sharingan in a tsukuyomi, and even had obito fearing him says something.
*Also, sasuke had to use the external power of the cursed mark to stand a chance of breaking free.

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His genjustsu isn't to be taken lightly.

Think about it, why else would obito fear itachi? He know's he can go intangible and dodge anything? Therefore, he must have been scared of itachi's mind rape.

"Once you figure out his weakness, he is not all that" - This is so stupid, because that basically makes Nagato(counter to his Rinnegan), Madara(Taijutsu, plus Hashirama beat him), Naruto(time and chakra limit in BM and Sage mode), Itachi(sickness and low stamina) also "not all that" when you know their weaknesses. Everything has weaknesses lol

- There was a weakness to his rinnegan? I can't remember that part. Edo nagato (using the rinnegan himself and not through puppets) went on an **** rape, granted he's on the sword of totsuka now (LoL). Even the 6th paths had no weakness. Come on, naruto won purely by plot-no-jutsu. Pain was the one who even killed himself.
- Sickness isn't a weakness of his ability, that's something entirely different. It was just convinient for kishi.
- Madara has a weakness? Taijutsu? Didn't he die at like 999999 years old after the hasi fight? So people see lee get in one lucky kick and immediately madara is weak to taijutsu?

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The guy in the top right panel is definetly faster and stronger than lee. He even got a speed boost. But i'm sure you can tell him that the madara who was punking him, was actually weak to taijutsu the whole time.
-Naruto doesn't count. We all know he should've been long dead by now, but He has the most powerful jutsu. Plot-no-jutsu.

 

[AGoodBoy]

He is not losing the war, in fact he is raping shit up. His goal was to revive the Juubi which he has done. Now when the JSA crumbles he'll Kamui Madara and then Become the Juubi's Host!

Everything is still going according to his plan U_U

I love how all the people talking about how powerful obito is only state "Kamui!", "He'll Kamui bro!!! Kamui!!".

Ok let's have a little chat. So obito can't out ninjutsu, or even out taijutsu madara, sasuke, itachi(They all have susano'o Obito doesn't, That's a FACT. You need 2 MS in the first place), naruto, even DSM kabuto would probably merk his a**. (His lovely mokuton/senju gives him a massive power boost and that's why he's even remotely anything half decent right now)

So he has these people who he can't stand a chance again. They're dishing out hit after hit and he's going intangible. So based on your theory, he kamui's them.
Now what? He can't even use his kamui anymore. If he tries to use his alt dimension to travel distances, he gets his a** kicked by the 'trapped' person in there. If he gets into a fight and goes intangible, he gets his a** kicked there. He can't even going into his alt dimension anymore. Unless he has some better jutsus, kamui is nothing but a somewhat 'ultimate' defense.
But, in the words of itachi, 'every jutsu has it's weakness'.

 

[AGoodBoy]

It's like you've taken any of Obito's flaws out of context in an attempt to downgrade him. As if he wasn't young and inexperienced against a seasoned S/T user. As if it did not take Konan years of prep time and a scenario where she had Obito falling into 600 billion paper bombs just to inflict an injury which would've been critical - she still wasn't able to kill him. As if it did not take Obito's own power just to injure him with an Ōdama Rasengan, which he easily tanked and healed from. With nothing more than Kamui and his gunbai, he was trolling the combined efforts of Kakashi, Gai, Bee and Naruto, who, as a unit, possess an incredible amount of speed, power, intelligence and tactical nous. You didn't even talk about Obito's other powers, as if he's restricted to Kamui alone. He has Mokuton, forbidden Uchiha techniques such as a complete 10 minute Izanagi and monstrous Katons in general, with his additional powers being Gedō Mazō, the bijū and Edo Jinchūriki paths which he controlled with the outer path of his Rinnegan. The first set alone is enough to create a formidable foe even. But wait, perhaps you may be one of those who senselessly ignores the powers some people have acquired in their prime.

I don't think you understand how easy it is for Obito to warp in certain circumstances. It took Naruto's ability to sense negative emotions just to counter Obito's disappearing into and subsequent exploding from the ground [

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]. Do you know how unreasonable you sound when you claim that Madara can easily engage Obito in 5 minutes worth of battle in one go? Of course Madara has ways of winning, but certainly not via that method. You're saying that he can pressure Obito for 300 consecutive seconds as if Obito could never simply disappear into the ground or his pocket dimension. It's not like Madara can sense his whereabouts if he does so. And once he has the shortest periods for ending the Jutsu and quickly activating it again, the clock restarts.

I've read this thread and I just get the feeling you don't fully understand Obito's powers or what he's actually capable of doing. Likely that this has been written with an awful lot of bias against Obito. Perhaps you did not like his role or reasons in becoming Tobi. There's a reason why he is standing on top of the Jūbi as a neo-Rikudō telling Uchiha Madara that he's his dog for the time being.

You let tobi's arrogance to madara fool you. Though you won't be here after obito dies, just remember this thread when your 'god' obito is gone. Some people underestimate him, but you overestimate him. Obito's greatest power (mystery) is now gone. He won't survive till morning.

 

[Retsu]

I love how all the people talking about how powerful obito is only state "Kamui!", "He'll Kamui bro!!! Kamui!!".

Ok let's have a little chat. So obito can't out ninjutsu, or even out taijutsu madara, sasuke, itachi(They all have susano'o Obito doesn't, That's a FACT. You need 2 MS in the first place), naruto, even DSM kabuto would probably merk his a**. (His lovely mokuton/senju gives him a massive power boost and that's why he's even remotely anything half decent right now)

So he has these people who he can't stand a chance again. They're dishing out hit after hit and he's going intangible. So based on your theory, he kamui's them.
Now what? He can't even use his kamui anymore. If he tries to use his alt dimension to travel distances, he gets his a** kicked by the 'trapped' person in there. If he gets into a fight and goes intangible, he gets his a** kicked there. He can't even going into his alt dimension anymore. Unless he has some better jutsus, kamui is nothing but a somewhat 'ultimate' defense.
But, in the words of itachi, 'every jutsu has it's weakness'.

you can easily kill someone trapped in kamui, all he has to do is go to some random hostile living environment, and at that point eject them into a volcano or some cavern deep underground

 

[lol99]

So he has these people who he can't stand a chance again. They're dishing out hit after hit and he's going intangible. So based on your theory, he kamui's them.
Now what? He can't even use his kamui anymore. If he tries to use his alt dimension to travel distances, he gets his a** kicked by the 'trapped' person in there. If he gets into a fight and goes intangible, he gets his a** kicked there. He can't even going into his alt dimension anymore. Unless he has some better jutsus, kamui is nothing but a somewhat 'ultimate' defense.
But, in the words of itachi, 'every jutsu has it's weakness'.

he can send people to where ever he wants, he separated fuu-torune and karin-sasuke, obviously he can send people to a place far away from where he sends his body parts in the dimension
the dimension may well be as big as the real NV, no one will ever be able to locate him during the brief moments he uses kamui
against kakashi he was emotional disturbed and wasn't thinking clearly

 

[yondaime4]

It's like you've taken any of Obito's flaws out of context in an attempt to downgrade him. As if he wasn't young and inexperienced against a seasoned S/T user. As if it did not take Konan years of prep time and a scenario where she had Obito falling into 600 billion paper bombs just to inflict an injury which would've been critical - she still wasn't able to kill him. As if it did not take Obito's own power just to injure him with an Ōdama Rasengan, which he easily tanked and healed from. With nothing more than Kamui and his gunbai, he was trolling the combined efforts of Kakashi, Gai, Bee and Naruto, who, as a unit, possess an incredible amount of speed, power, intelligence and tactical nous. You didn't even talk about Obito's other powers, as if he's restricted to Kamui alone. He has Mokuton, forbidden Uchiha techniques such as a complete 10 minute Izanagi and monstrous Katons in general, with his additional powers being Gedō Mazō, the bijū and Edo Jinchūriki paths which he controlled with the outer path of his Rinnegan. The first set alone is enough to create a formidable foe even. But wait, perhaps you may be one of those who senselessly ignores the powers some people have acquired in their prime.

I don't think you understand how easy it is for Obito to warp in certain circumstances. It took Naruto's ability to sense negative emotions just to counter Obito's disappearing into and subsequent exploding from the ground [

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]. Do you know how unreasonable you sound when you claim that Madara can easily engage Obito in 5 minutes worth of battle in one go? Of course Madara has ways of winning, but certainly not via that method. You're saying that he can pressure Obito for 300 consecutive seconds as if Obito could never simply disappear into the ground or his pocket dimension. It's not like Madara can sense his whereabouts if he does so. And once he has the shortest periods for ending the Jutsu and quickly activating it again, the clock restarts.

I've read this thread and I just get the feeling you don't fully understand Obito's powers or what he's actually capable of doing. Likely that this has been written with an awful lot of bias against Obito. Perhaps you did not like his role or reasons in becoming Tobi. There's a reason why he is standing on top of the Jūbi as a neo-Rikudō telling Uchiha Madara that he's his dog for the time being.

ok ok i hear you but for starters the thread says 1 v 1, everyone keeps bringing up the gedo and all the jin like thats his power, but im looking at it as just obito vs whoever.

as for konan the reason i brought her up was mostly to relate to sasukes blaze release which i think is a way more effective means of executing thats same plan. it took her so long to prep because that was her style, paper bombs. As for izanagi, i did address that didnt I, if he uses it he loses kamui so even if it is 10 minutes long he will vs an ems user im pretty confident be at a disadvantege after as far as chakra is concerned. as for the gunbai its not really his, its madaras, but with it he is stronger obviously. since madara is an opponent in discussion i dont think its logical to include, i mean if he were to use it on madara im sure it wouldnt go well and would in the end be used against him. either way not really his imo. i like obito as tobi and i thought he was cool during the flashback but i dont like his method of fighting lol as you can tell. he basically hides in plain sight using kamui until his opponent is tired or open and takes advantege, I mean i said hes is top 5 imo because he is an opponent that is very hard to deal with n i respect that but he was a scrub ninja to start and only after dying and being powered up by madara is he even relevent. so to compare him to genius ninja like madara sasuke nagato or itachi who from the very start were powerful not because of their jutsu but because of their smarts and then acquired even more powerful jutsu on top of that i just think obito doesnt rank with them. but as a villain and a charactor i very much enjoy obito and tobi but as a fighter i dont rank him at the very top.

as for obito telling madara he is his dog haha (i lold) for the time being is correct because im pretty sure madara is going to own him, but we will wait and see

 

[zamki]

Ofc he is not

 

[yondaime4]

It's 5 consecutive minutes which is very had to achieve, Obito also has the option to attack and move around this time unlike Konan's trap. Point is Madara hasn't shown feats like that.

obito has the option to attack? he would have to solidify to attack and thats exaclty what madara wants is to go shot for shot, i mean its safe to say anything nagato could do madara can do, on top of his ems techs and a peferct susanoo not to mention he lived in a time of constant war, he has more battle experiance than any uchiha, and you think obito with power given to him by madara could beat madara? thats nonsense madara hasnt shown any feats? everything obito has done was madaras plan, like cmon man you really think obito is in control?

Lol, no. If he went to konoha and snatched up naruto, there's no longer a show for kishi to write about. Honestly madara is assumed to have a counter for him out of hype. With actually shown feats, Obito fodderizes madara...hard.

The only thing to ever really hurt him was a trap that took years to accomplish. No one barring kakashi even has a way to touch obito.

man, im making that my sig bro thanks

 

[edo tensai wilmaso]

obito does not need to touch you to warp you....and who ever said he was the strongest? we all know he's not.

 

[JBandaa]

Everything obito has done was layed out by madara so no, ill give him credit for differing from madaras plan to obtain control but thats the same reason madara will kill him soooo ya.

wut. Are you basically saying that dead Madara was the one fighting and coming up with plans for Obito?
And Sasuke? You are saying Sasuke is more strategical thinker than Tobi?!
And what has Madara shown that makes you believe he is a "strategical fiighter"? From what little we've seen, he is all "Stompstompcrushcrush". Strategical genius, indeed.

I mean i said hes is top 5 imo because he is an opponent that is very hard to deal with n i respect that but he was a scrub ninja to start and only after dying and being powered up by madara is he even relevent. so to compare him to genius ninja like madara sasuke nagato or itachi who from the very start were powerful not because of their jutsu but because of their smarts and then acquired even more powerful jutsu on top of that i just think obito doesnt rank with them. but as a villain and a charactor i very much enjoy obito and tobi but as a fighter i dont rank him at the very top.

LOL I love this argument. Look at our main character please. And where he is. This is shounen, a manga about untalented loser becoming stronger than "geniuses". Obito is just his Dark Version.
And when was it ever said that Nagato was a genius?

 

[yondaime4]

wut. Are you basically saying that dead Madara was the one fighting and coming up with plans for Obito?
And Sasuke? You are saying Sasuke is more strategical thinker than Tobi?!
And what has Madara shown that makes you believe he is a "strategical fiighter"? From what little we've seen, he is all "Stompstompcrushcrush". Strategical genius, indeed.



LOL I love this argument. Look at our main character please. And where he is. This is shounen, a manga about untalented loser becoming stronger than "geniuses". Obito is just his Dark Version.
And when was it ever said that Nagato was a genius?

obviously im not saying dead madara was fighting jackass, but yes obito is following madaras plan save for the rinne tensei, it was madara who told obito to find nagato, who gave obito senju dna and the gedo mezou, gave nagato his eyes which obito now uses, you thought it was all coincidence?

in a battle yes i think sasuke is a strategical genius and he was even praised by obito in the danzo fight and kakashi right after, i mean he always followed itachi and in the kabuto fight you see how itachi was always training sasuke to be better than himself.

what has tobi done though really? nagato lead akatsuki and tobi just hid in the shadows. he attacked konoha and was beat, konan almost killed him but thank god for that senju dna madara gave him or else he wouldnt have had izanagi to save himself. i mean he didnt gather any of the bijuu when if he is soo strong he could have done it himself or at least one lol. not to mention if it wasnt for kabuto this war would be over, he wouldnt have the 6 jins just the bijuu, he wouldnt have had the kinjin twins to revive the juubi. and even now his best chance of survival is fighting together with madara, but instead he trys to control him like a pawn, ill bet obito gets fodderized by madara in the upcoming chaps and all you fanboys can sit down

madara isnt a genius? have you read the data book on him? im not even going to waste my time on that comment as you can read my thoughts about it in my earlier posts, but i tell ya if you havent noticed that madara is clearly not fighting seriously, and still no one can even stand up to him, just wait, when the dust settles madara will be the final villain

and the differance between naruto and obito is that naruto worked for his power as did those i mentioned earlier and obito didnt it was all given to him through madara and his silver tongue, he wouldnt even have ms if kakashi didnt kill rin, dont get me wrong he is slick but hes gona die as he should

 

[KidGamer65]

The only one who can solo Obito is Edo Madara, and possibly Hashirama.

 

[Amaterasuice]

Obito isn't the strongest, but he's easily top 5. Also, Obito with edo biju>Naruto and >>>Sasuke

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

madara has no counter for kamui im pretty sure if minato and konan do Madara would know the counter or best way to defeat it

people are over hyping obito acting like he's a boss read the manga he has shown many a thing that has been smacked down and

blown up

 

[Draphsin]

madara has no counter for kamui im pretty sure if minato and konan do Madara would know the counter or best way to defeat it

people are over hyping obito acting like he's a boss read the manga he has shown many a thing that has been smacked down and

blown up

Yet he still somehow remains undefeated in battle?

Naruto/sasuke get smacked around way more than obito, and at least he keeps his cool about it. Obito has also never shown any fatigue from chakra loss or lack of stamina. I agree madara can beat obito but thats about it in terms of 1v1

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

Yet he still somehow remains undefeated in battle?

Naruto/sasuke get smacked around way more than obito, and at least he keeps his cool about it. Obito has also never shown any fatigue from chakra loss or lack of stamina. I agree madara can beat obito but thats about it in terms of 1v1

he was screwed till madara showed up he lost his edo rinnegan team. kakashi and co discovered the weakness to his kamui madara arrival basically saved him now he was a boss in managing with kamui though to take on a 1v5 that much i give him but

he is not on the top 5 list of strong shinobi how powerful u think he be if he didnt have his collection of sharingans ???

 

[yondaime4]

Yet he still somehow remains undefeated in battle?

Naruto/sasuke get smacked around way more than obito, and at least he keeps his cool about it. Obito has also never shown any fatigue from chakra loss or lack of stamina. I agree madara can beat obito but thats about it in terms of 1v1

undefeated? minato owned him and konan would have if not for his senju dna, thanks madara lol

and imo nagato could take obito, as well as naruto and sasuke as they have surpassed minato and itachi who imo are both proved to be better shinobi than obito.