[Discussion] Obito is Broken

[ObiFan]

This is coming from a fan of Obito,so I guess this...oh god.

This discussion is centered mainly around the character Obito,his interests and why he is a broken character.I will divide the discussion into different parts,each part centered around a certain subject,which is a part of this whole discussion.
I hope you agree

1.The Backstory of Obito

Obito Uchiha was presented to us as a boy,who could care more about the village and his comrades,than himself.He was portrayed as a character,who would gladly lend a helpful hand where a helpful hand is needed.When he was revealed
to be Tobi,the man behind the mask,he told Kakashi that he started this war because of Rin.One of his comrades,who had died at the hand of Kakashi,one of his best friends.Obito later said he knew why Kakashi had to kill Rin,but he didn't UNDERSTAND why.
The problem lies within this part.If he understood the situation and agreed with Rin's choice of
sacrifice,he wouldn't later go on a rampage to kill all of the ninjas from the bloody mist.
Obito simply had to realise the actions that Rin made in order for him to move on.He didn't really need the help of his comrades like he later on was told.And why the sudden change of character?Why did he care more about one girl than he would for everybody else equally?That is another bad character development.

2.The Only Ray of Light in Obito's World

Obito mentioned that Rin was his only ray of light,which would explain why he couldn't move on.If you have only one thing precious to you in your life and you lose it,it will be easy for you to mentally break down.But looking at the death of Rin logically could maybe fix that up,making the whole talk that "you need comrades to help you fill that void in your heart" useless.

3.Obito's Plan is Beyond Stupid

Obito wants to go ahead and make a whole new dream world,where everybody is satisfied and there is always peace and make a fourth great ninja war,because he acts straight-forward-like.This means he doesn't stop to think and rather goes ahead and never stops to realise his ways are wrong.And why create a whole new world,rather than just solve your problems and move ahead?Why doesn't Obito's character development,well,DEVELOP?!?Why is Obito made only to hang to one branch and then jump to the other,never going forward and always going back?Why is he always reminded of the past and never pushed into the future?Why is Kishimoto making Naruto convince him all this time and then right at the most inconvenient and undramatical time make Obito change.He said he finally saw Naruto's way,but wants to die,because he couldn't atone for his sins.That is cowardly and completely breaks every piece of logic there was in Obito's character!If he really liked Rin and loved her,he would go ahead and take his punishment,but he would rather die.
I think Kishimoto wants to kill him off,because he keeps Obito going back and forth-to past and present.And I,as a fan of Obito,want Obito to die,because he was completely ruined by Kishi.I think right now I'm reminded of the past Obito from around chap.599-602,because he was not as broken as now,still broken,but now as much.

I hope I got my point across and I hope you understand why Obito is a failed attempt at character development.

 

[flyboyissac]

Obito is kid that can never grow up same for nagato they ready to destroy everthing because one person died not only that they took it out on ppl who never seen the people who.died I'm surpirsed madara wasn't shock the world was working together to take him and tobi out they all had the same goal but I think madara is different well it dnt matterr obito was a pawn madara basicly force obito into darkness well fake darkness obito is dun hope he dies soon

 

[ObiFan]

Obito is kid that can never grow up same for nagato they ready to destroy everthing because one person died not only that they took it out on ppl who never seen the perwon who.died I'm surpirsed madara wasn't shock the world was working together to take him and tobi out they all had the same goal but I think madara is different well it dnt matterr obito was a pawn madara basicly force obito into darkness well fake darkness obito is dun hope he dies soon

I'm also gonna make a thread why Rin is broken and why Naruto can't really have the title of "main character".

 

[The Necromancer]

Obito is a horrible character. I would have preferred Izuna, Shisui, or Kagami. Seeing as how Madara is now the main villain and how Madara has literally no connection to Naruto, I don't see why it would have been so bad for Tobi not to have some noteworthy connection to Naruto or Kakashi. This war has been full of disappointment.

 

[omarsen]

Obito Uchiha was presented to us as a boy

There you have it. Same goes with Nagato. Madara gave him all the information that he need, and despite him only knowing that he was still fodder and obeyed the orders and never thought Madara will backmail him. Nagato now was born with the eyes, and was capable of pretty much alot, still obeyed the orders and was fodder.

Hopefully Madara will deliver in the upcomming pages.

btw it looks like that Madara gave up on his brother's death, unlike obito & nagato.

 

[alexu9696]

i knew from chapter 599 is going to suck ass after the named Obito... imean come on what to expect a man-child with a crush on a 13 girl as motivation....

the manga went downhill alot , even the sales in japan had from top 3 to top 5 , naruto lost over 1 milliom copies i think even kishi knows how ****ing stupid he was...

and this is probaly is why his curently pissing all over him , i mean zetsu and madara are crapeing on im all over the place

There you have it. Same goes with Nagato. Madara gave him all the information that he need, and despite him only knowing that he was still fodder and obeyed the orders and never thought Madara will backmail him. Nagato now was born with the eyes, and was capable of pretty much alot, still obeyed the orders and was fodder.

Hopefully Madara will deliver in the upcomming pages.

btw it looks like that Madara gave up on his brother's death, unlike obito & nagato.

wait what ? Nagato had his own plan his own motivation... how is him obeying someone he was working with obito but he dint knew his plan....

If im working with a guy but i want icecream and he want snacks but i think that guy want also icecream.... how am i obeying him ??? derp dep

 

[ObiFan]

I think Kishi chose Obito instead of Izuna,Kagami etc. because it would bring more drama into the scene.Kakashi felt horrible,knowing he couldn't keep his promise to Obito and protect Rin and was at his emotional peak when he found out it was Obito.If it was Izuna or Kagami or Shisui it wouldn't be that emotional.Just my opinion.

 

[Snape Uchiha]

I also think Kishi ruined Obito's development. Do you want to know a villain who had great development? The Chimera Ant King from HxH.

 

[omarsen]

i knew from chapter 599 is going to suck ass after the named Obito... imean come on what to expect a man-child with a crush on a 13 girl as motivation....

the manga went downhill alot , even the sales in japan had from top 3 to top 5 , naruto lost over 1 milliom copies i think even kishi knows how ****ing stupid he was...

and this is probaly is why his curently pissing all over him , i mean zetsu and madara are crapeing on im all over the place



wait what ? Nagato had his own plan his own motivation... how is him obeying someone he was working with obito but he dint knew his plan....

If im working with a guy but i want icecream and he want snacks but i think that guy want also icecream.... how am i obeying him ??? derp dep

what? Obito told Nagato to collect the tailedbeasts and so he did, he told Yahiko to form the Akutski so he did. He told Nagato to take lead on the Akutski so he did. He told him the plan, and Nagato proved of it. missing something?

 

[Gdamon]

I'm also gonna make a thread why Rin is broken and why Naruto can't really have the title of "main character".

you made good points, i can wait to see those threads...

 

[alexu9696]

I think Kishi chose Obito instead of Izuna,Kagami etc. because it would bring more drama into the scene.Kakashi felt horrible,knowing he couldn't keep his promise to Obito and protect Rin and was at his emotional peak when he found out it was Obito.If it was Izuna or Kagami or Shisui it wouldn't be that emotional.Just my opinion.

Did you feel any emotion , cuz i serious dint give a ****.... how can you be emotional with a guy that killed people and done so many terrible this all in the name of one person ? **** that shit even naruto said it who is all forgiving... i would understand you if things where different... but you must get punishment

If kishi wanted emotions he clealry ****ed up.... he could have made something like a drop mouth , lets say sasuke father and bring some emotion uchiha.... or if he wanted a dark naruto compare why not menma himself ? meaning Madara somehow traveled into another dimension like the kamui one and pulled the dark naruto version

That would be go behind the mask is naruto himself that would be suck but a different naruto not a ****ing man child

what? Obito told Nagato to collect the tailedbeasts and so he did, he told Yahiko to form the Akutski so he did. He told Nagato to take lead on the Akutski so he did. He told him the plan, and Nagato proved of it. missing something?

Nagato collected the beast thinking they will use it for the nuke weapon plan not the moon eye plan , yahiko said **** you to obito in the past so i dont know how he made the organization maybe nagato asked him ??

Nagato was leading the akatsuki... for his own plan.. he dint knew that obito was playing him just to get the beasts

No he dint told him his plan.... derp derp

 

[marijuanna]

Have you ever had a close friend die? Not a old person, but one that should have a happy and full life, but by a silly mistake of this dark world we live in was denied of all of that. Logic doesnt apply to those cases, sometimes anger and denial take over, things shouldnt be the way they are, Jonh Locke said long ago that we are just waiting for our self destruction and he's right, if someone that has seen that side sees a way out, I assure you that he will take it. You are in no position to jugde a character from whose feeling you know nothing about you spoiled kid, Obito's character has its mistakes, but you havent mentioned you of them. Grow up.

 

[omarsen]

Nagato collected the beast thinking they will use it for the nuke weapon plan not the moon eye plan , yahiko said **** you to obito in the past so i dont know how he made the organization maybe nagato asked him ??

Nagato was leading the akatsuki... for his own plan.. he dint knew that obito was playing him just to get the beasts

No he dint told him his plan.... derp derp

Isn't it the same? If i tell you to collect something and you do. You are following my orders. lol

 

[GhostProject]

Obito is one of the best developed characters in this entire manga. His character is meant to envelop both The Will of Fire and the Curse of Hatred to show contrast in the paths chosen by him in comparison to Naruto. Once Naruto refuses to give in to Obito, his character is supposed to be broken as Naruto/Kid Obito's philosophies win him over now that he has no mask to hide behind.

Also, Obito is not logical. At all. He goes on his feelings almost the entire time, so trying to logically reason through his mind is not the way to understand him. He saw the equivalent of if Naruto saw Iruka killing Sasuke, and he saw it after severe social isolation. So he decided that reality is cruel and wrong. Which led him to decide that he was going to end reality as he knew it. So he came up with a way to do it. His character is excellent.

 

[Genjitxu]

Ghostproject good point about having no mask to hide behind. Good observation nice writing. No mask Obito is broken

 

[EliteShinobi]

I liked him when he was badass masked man Tobi.
After the mask broke, it went downhill with me for his character...

 

[ObiFan]

Have you ever had a close friend die? Not a old person, but one that should have a happy and full life, but by a silly mistake of this dark world we live in was denied of all of that. Logic doesnt apply to those cases, sometimes anger and denial take over, things shouldnt be the way they are, Jonh Locke said long ago that we are just waiting for our self destruction and he's right, if someone that has seen that side sees a way out, I assure you that he will take it. You are in no position to jugde a character from whose feeling you know nothing about you spoiled kid, Obito's character has its mistakes, but you havent mentioned you of them. Grow up.

First,it's funny to call a man with a job a "spoiled kid" and second,I AM in a position to judge him,because you can't say somebody is NOT in a position to judge a character,even if that person is wrong.And third,how does me explaining to your ungreatful ass why Obito is broken making me a spoiled kid?A spoiled kid is defined as an obnoxious child,always wanting a certain thing and then goes on to the next without caring for any financial problems his parents/guardians are going through.

 

[BearzYo]

I really like him as a character, more so since we found out it's Obito, he is the grey area villain, who's ideology is twisted but makes some semblance of sense, he isn't after raw destruction, he actually wants to achieve something.

It's Madara who I'm not sure about. I still don't understand what he actually wants, does he understand what he wants?

If he just wants 'ultimate power' or something cliche like that I might just set fire to my entire manga collection.

 

[ak464646]

I really like him as a character, more so since we found out it's Obito, he is the grey area villain, who's ideology is twisted but makes some semblance of sense, he isn't after raw destruction, he actually wants to achieve something.

It's Madara who I'm not sure about. I still don't understand what he actually wants, does he understand what he wants?

If he just wants 'ultimate power' or something cliche like that I might just set fire to my entire manga collection.

i think that madara purposely became a villain to unite the shinobi world, remember that speech to hashi about an alternative meaning to stone tablet and that cooperation is a silent fight . he might be trying to become the juubi so that he can be the opposing force that unites the world against him like the sage did in the beginning. i could be totally wrong tho lol

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[Draxus]

First issue w/ this for me is that you don't define what a broken character is, so the entire thread boils down to Obito is broken because I think don't like his development. However if every character you dislike in a story is broken, then I'd image most characters are either broken or painfully predictable.