Obito > Hashirama What do you guys think?

[synkross]

BFR?

There is a difference between the opponent running away, and you teleporting them so you won't have to fight them directly.

I mean Obito can teleport Hashirama to Kamui dimension.. Hashirama will live.. But Obito's kamui would be pointless.

Battle field removal....lets say Kuma from one piece touches u and sends u flying miles away? it would be considered as a win, cuz battle is over, unless the other guy has some sort of teleportaion to get back into the match. plus i edited my earlier post to clear it up.

 

[Davy Jones]

So how does Obito teleporting Hashirama to another dimension mean he is stronger than Hashirama in a fight?

it does not make his stronger, just makes his have the tools to defeat hashirama weather he is stronger or not. weather hashirama is stronger or not is not in question, but rather how can hashirama defeat obito when he has no intel on him or his kamui or rinnegan for that matter. with no intel or counters, its rather hard to say he wins even if he is stronger, which i do believe.

Just like Obito has no counter to Wood clone.... one of Hashirama's simple jutsus.

come on bro. a simple clone can be countered. but how is obito countering the flower world with the pollen. thats a better question. he uses kamui, the pollen is not in the other dimension as well as the real one.

 

[Conspirator.]

even with intel hashirama has no counter for kamui so result in the formation of obito> hashirma

Wrong, with intel Hashirama would probably create wood clones right off the bat. Or he could just sprout

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which was fast enough to restrain juubito temporarily, hence it would cancel the warp and force obito to become intangible. From then on, he would probably use some wood bunshin feints to trick Obito and kill him whilst he's solid.(since there's no proof that obito can see through them.)

 

[Demonic.]

Wrong, with intel Hashirama would probably create wood clones right off the bat. Or he could just sprout

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which was fast enough to restrain juubito temporarily, hence it would cancel the warp and force obito to be intangible. From then on, he would probably use some wood bunshin feints to trick Obito and kill him whilst he's solid.(since there's no proof that obito can see through them.)

Yes. Obito can't tell clones apart. He warps a clone and it'll be like when Naruto rasenganed his face.

 

[Davy Jones]

Wrong, with intel Hashirama would probably create wood clones right off the bat. Or he could just sprout

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which was fast enough to restrain juubito temporarily, hence it would cancel the warp and force obito to be intangible. From then on, he would probably use some wood bunshin feints to trick Obito and kill him whilst he's solid.(since there's no proof that obito can see through them.)

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Ok how would that even work? you dont cancel his kamui by restraining him. if thats the case yamato and kakashi would have already killed him.

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Yes. Obito can't tell clones apart. He warps a clone and it'll be like when Naruto rasenganed his face.

nah bro. madara could not even see through the wood clone jutsu and he had EMS

was the only one who could see through it.

 

[Dave Stevenson]

Wrong, with intel Hashirama would probably create wood clones right off the bat. Or he could just sprout

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which was fast enough to restrain juubito temporarily, hence it would cancel the warp and force obito to become intangible. From then on, he would probably use some wood bunshin feints to trick Obito and kill him whilst he's solid.(since there's no proof that obito can see through them.)

so give intel to both oh lol sorry i forgot obito already intel so obito wins

 

[Conspirator.]

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Ok how would that even work? you dont cancel his kamui by restraining him. if thats the case yamato and kakashi would have already killed him.

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You missed my point. In order to warp hashirama, he needs to be solid. By sprouting mokuton out of his arms, obito will either be forced to take the hit, or become intangible to evade it. He can't warp and be intangible simultaneously. Anyway, with intel on kamui, if hashirama uses wood bunshins/plus sprouting mokuton he could win. Although if Obito has the bijuus(which the OP restricted) obito would probably win.

 

[KingHashirama]

come on bro. a simple clone can be countered. but how is obito countering the flower world with the pollen. thats a better question. he uses kamui, the pollen is not in the other dimension as well as the real one.

How can it be countered.. when you need EMS to counter it?

1 Clone of Hashirama can do flower world.. enough to lead the juubi's TBB..

 

[Davy Jones]

You missed my point. In order to warp hashirama, he needs to actually be solid. By sprouting mokuton out of his arms, obito will either be forced to take the hit, or become intangible to evade it. He can't warp and be intangible simultaneously. Anyway, with intel on kamui, if hashirama uses wood bunshins/plus sprouting mokuton he could win. Although if Obito has the bijuus(which the OP restricted) obito would probably win.

i see that point but thats only one scenario. he would evade obviously with kamui, but you did not take into account what rinne gan jutsus he could use to attack after evading.

How can it be countered.. when you need EMS to counter it?

1 Clone of Hashirama can do flower world.. enough to lead the juubi's TBB..

hmmmmmm lemme research this. this could be a deciding factor after all

 

[Conspirator.]

i see that point but thats only one scenario. he would evade obviously with kamui, but you did not take into account what rinne gan jutsus he could use to attack after evading.

True. The problem is that kishi never showed Obito making full use of the rinnegan's power. It was a real shame.

 

[Davy Jones]

True. The problem is that kishi never showed Obito making full use of the rinnegan's power. It was a real shame.

yeah. the only explanation we got was "he does not wanna waste chakra because we would just counter". bogus excuse. but in light of what king hashirama told me, it hashirama could use said clones in a jutsu combo, then he may be able to also defeat obito. im gonna see for myself to see if it changes my mind

 

[Hiraishin Stage 3]

Obito can counter just about anything from hashirama

The pollen is useless due to his mask and his ability to get out of the area by slipping through the ground [

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The clones are useless as obito makes sure to find out who is the real one and the fake one when faced with clones [

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Obito is also exceptionally good in close quarter combat due to his kamui, and unless you have another teammate you would get warped sooner or later [

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[Scryed]

I'll give this one to Hashirama mainly because of Flower Tree World and Wood clone feints.

Although Obito with both his MS will be a tricky fight.

 

[Ramen Dragneel]

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Ok how would that even work? you dont cancel his kamui by restraining him. if thats the case yamato and kakashi would have already killed him.

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nah bro. madara could not even see through the wood clone jutsu and he had EMS

was the only one who could see through it.

he means he can only do one at a time. he's either solid or porting someone. if he goes after hashi thats how hashi counters.......