Obito controlling Yagura and occupying The Mist. Why?

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The Akatsuki were set up in Hidden Rain. Where most people don’t travel to and had been ravaged during the 2nd Ninja War. Why would Obito hide out in the Kiri Village and use Yagura and to what ends? The Kiri villagers always hated KKG (see Yuki, Kaguya and Hozuki clans) and the brutal tactics of killing your classmates to graduate were in place before Zabuza, Kakashi and Obito were born. What was Obito doing there and why do you think Kishi added that?
 

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To spite the Mist ninja for getting Rin killed. Another point I could see is money. I recall Hidan and his partner mentioning how they needed cash for the Akatsuki, and controlling an entire country has to rake in money. It's not like he was spending it on any of the citizens.
 
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Why did Kishimoto add that to the story? Its a writing technique often used were create a bunch of "branches" that may or may not lead somewhere important in the story. Usually you should be very careful with this so you don't add a branch that can contradict another one you might choose later on. Its likely that Kishimoto added this as part of the possible backstory for Tobi and Madara before going with the Obito idea instead.

Not saying he didn't think it could be Obito from early on, but that he played around with different ideas which is why we see Tobi take on so many different looks, persona and seemingly goals. For example, we understand why Obito attacked Kushina and stole Kurama. What we don't understand is why he attacked Konoha with it instead of just taking it. The Obito we see during the war was far more focused on his goals, opting to rush them rather than to wait.

So for him to waste time attacking Konoha and putting himself at risk? Out of character from what we got and this is likely the same result as why Obito decided to take control over the Hidden Mist. Perhaps at some point in the story, Kishimoto toyed with the idea that it was Obito's body, but Madara's will, which was later worked into Black Zetsu. Perhaps instead of having Zetsu betray Madara, it would be Obito wrestling the control of his body away from him. Things like that. Ideas that were never used or realized.

Regarding the Hidden Mist. Back when it was revealed that Obito was in control of it for some time, we didn't know about Madara or anything else. When we got the backstory about Madara and how he used the Hidden Mist to kill Rin and turn Obito, we got a better idea of where that "branch" idea went. It evolved into it being Madara who was in control of the Hidden Mist and not Obito, but we still see Obito in control for some reason, hence a contradiction that doesn't make sense to Obito's character or goals.
 

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Why did Kishimoto add that to the story? Its a writing technique often used were create a bunch of "branches" that may or may not lead somewhere important in the story. Usually you should be very careful with this so you don't add a branch that can contradict another one you might choose later on. Its likely that Kishimoto added this as part of the possible backstory for Tobi and Madara before going with the Obito idea instead.

Not saying he didn't think it could be Obito from early on, but that he played around with different ideas which is why we see Tobi take on so many different looks, persona and seemingly goals. For example, we understand why Obito attacked Kushina and stole Kurama. What we don't understand is why he attacked Konoha with it instead of just taking it. The Obito we see during the war was far more focused on his goals, opting to rush them rather than to wait.

So for him to waste time attacking Konoha and putting himself at risk? Out of character from what we got and this is likely the same result as why Obito decided to take control over the Hidden Mist. Perhaps at some point in the story, Kishimoto toyed with the idea that it was Obito's body, but Madara's will, which was later worked into Black Zetsu. Perhaps instead of having Zetsu betray Madara, it would be Obito wrestling the control of his body away from him. Things like that. Ideas that were never used or realized.

Regarding the Hidden Mist. Back when it was revealed that Obito was in control of it for some time, we didn't know about Madara or anything else. When we got the backstory about Madara and how he used the Hidden Mist to kill Rin and turn Obito, we got a better idea of where that "branch" idea went. It evolved into it being Madara who was in control of the Hidden Mist and not Obito, but we still see Obito in control for some reason, hence a contradiction that doesn't make sense to Obito's character or goals.
Now that you mention it, I like the idea that it was Madara controlling Yagura. Not Obito. Kishi obviously changed his mind and was introducing retcons on the fly during the war arc. It makes sense for Madara to be the one to control a village from the shadows and red pill Kisame by showing him his face. I doubt Obito could give Kisame the “holy experience “ that Deidara and Oro got, looking at Itachi the first time.
 
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Now that you mention it, I like the idea that it was Madara controlling Yagura. Not Obito. Kishi obviously changed his mind and was introducing retcons on the fly during the war arc. It makes sense for Madara to be the one to control a village from the shadows and red pill Kisame by showing him his face. I doubt Obito could give Kisame the “holy experience “ that Deidara and Oro got, looking at Itachi the first time.
Another such "branch" regarding Tobi that was interesting was how he would show his face to Kisame exclusively, not even showing it to Sasuke when he tried to convince him. Seeing Tobi's face did not only make Kisame trust him, but also was considered necessary for Kisame to trust him as "Tobi" when they worked inside the Akatsuki. This is interesting because Kisame shouldn't know who either Madara or Obito was, nor the vast majority of Uchiha for that matter. What the purpose of this was in the story at some point is impossible to know, but its fun to think about the possibilities that could've been.

For example this "branch" could have been an idea that Tobi was suppose to not be "one person" but rather multiple identities at some point. That Tobi either was a bunch of different people or that he hid his face through Ninjutsu or Genjutsu to gain the trust of other people, using the mask as a way to entirely hide his identity when such a technique wasn't in use. This idea is seen with Pain and later on with Madara when he states that whomever works towards the "Red Eye Moon Plan" would hereby be "Madara".

Another example could be that at some point the idea was to not have Tobi be an Uchiha at all, but rather someone from the Hidden Mist who were naturally gifted in using the abilities of others much like we see Shin Uchiha be capable of later on in the series. Which would explain why Kisame would trust him in the first place. Kisame remains the only Akatuski member who was recruited not because he was forced or had a personal reason to do so, but because Obito simply asked him and showed him his face. Nagato and Konan were tricked into it and sought to gain something for themselves, Deidara was forced in and so on.
 

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I say we vote to make the man Kisame saw controlling Yagura, Madara. Kisame killed himself rather than betray the man he swore allegiance to. The idea that he saw Obito's face and was red pilled on reality and the universe, is absurd.
 
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I say we vote to make the man Kisame saw controlling Yagura, Madara. Kisame killed himself rather than betray the man he swore allegiance to. The idea that he saw Obito's face and was red pilled on reality and the universe, is absurd.
Well, we can also say that it was Obito who were using Genjutsu to manipulate Kisame into seeing whomever he wanted to see. It would add to Obito's already substantial fall from grace. That is a whole lot more logical than Obito's power making people think he was Madara based on that alone. I mean Itachi concluded that he had to be Madara based on nothing but his skill and prowess.
 
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Base of operation. Like they said in the summit, Akatsuki was rumored to be born in the mist village.
What better way to grow your S class organization in an unstable country that’s full of political controversies?

Obito may of been spiteful towards the mist village because of what they did to Rin, but he was also always methodical any time it came to carrying out his plans.
 
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