Obito and Itachi: Analysis

[Lord Tywin]

There has been many speculations that Itachi stands a remote chance of beating Obito, and I'm going to prove that false.


This is the scan most people use to say Itachi>Obito

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And then we have this one

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Itachi and Obito made a deal and cooperated with each other. We found out that Obito persuaded Itachi into joining Akatsuki. Reasons Obito considered the Leaf village off limit are
1. Obito knew how valuable Itachi is in helping the akatsuki out in hunting the bijuus.
2. Obito didn't want the secrets of akatsuki to be given to the villages. Itachi giving the info he gathered on akatsuki regarding the bijuu hunt would have made the hunt much harder, as villages would limit the freedom of their jinchurikis even further, and they would increase the security of their villages. Two akatsuki members aren't enough to take care of one of the major villages.


Obito played along with Itachi to keep the Akatsuki's secrets secure.

We also have this scan

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But with what exactly? Nothing in Itachi's arsenal would work on Kamui, and even a surprise attack didn't work.
Also the lack of information makes it much harder for Itachi to bypass Kamui.


I'll later on the thread go on why Itachi can't bypass kamui

Now, let's analyze the techniques of the individuals

Genjutsu​

Itachi is known for his genjutsu prowess, but his genjutsu is useless against a full blooded Uchiha

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Inb4: "Obito isn't related to Itachi by blood".
1. We all know all the Uchihas are coming from the same blood, the blood of Indra.
2. An expert mangekyo sharingan user like Obito would easily see through Itachi's Tsukuyomi by his normal 3 tomoe shringan.


Izanami is a technique that uses opponent's and caster's five senses

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But you need to memorize the bodily sensations

Itachi took advantage of his edo body, and purposely took Kabuto's hit. In a battle that he is alive he has to take attacks on purpose to land izanami, or land an attack on Obito. Kamui easily prevents that, due to the lack of speed from Itachi.
Obito can also go for the one hit kill to avoid taking chances in Itachi using Izanami. Mukton branches can easily do so

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In Obito's case, we have this

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Feat of Obito controlling Yagura, a perfert jinchuriki, for many years is above any genjutsu feats shown by Itachi. Battle of Genjutsu is in Obito's favor.

Ninjutsu​

Obito has stronger Ninjutsu feats

A juubi sized katon that can overwhelm any water or fire attacks from Itachi.

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Itachi's fire style or water style can get rid of Obito's wood release, but it doesn't protect him from Obito piercing Itachi's body with it.


Obito's Kamui can easily avoid Amaterasu as sharingan can see Itachi's eye building up chakra to use Amaterasu. He also can see the blood that signals the coming of amaterasu
Also we have Obito canonically countering Amaterasu even when it hit as a surprise attack

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Susanoo wouldn't add anything as everything is phased through or dodged, and it doesn't serve its defensive purposes either as Obito can go through Susanoo with Kamui.
Totsuka blade isn't helping Itachi here since it is too slow to pierce Obito, or bypass Kamui's activation speed.
Yata mirror won't be blocking Obito from phasing through it, since Obito's right eye Kamui isn't an offensive technique. Totsuka can't repel what isn't there.


Obito has the ability to remain intangible for 5 mintues straight

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He simply can to tangible, and they resumes the intangibility to renew his 5 minutes.

Taijutsu

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Itachi can outperform Obito in taijutsu, but Kamui makes it child's play for Obito, since he could stalemate four kage level shinobis. Itachi doesn't come close to that.


Tl;dr
I believe Obito wouldn't have any major problems if he had ever faced Itachi.

 

[Joon]

He could just absorb Itachi in his dimensional space and call it a day. However, there's a chance Itachi would find his body.

 

[Angelic.]

10/10 great thread! obito day today all day everyday!

 

[Decimo Blaze]

nice thread

 

[Lord Tywin]

He could just absorb Itachi in his dimensional space and call it a day. However, there's a chance Itachi would find his body.

Everyone thinks Obito's only way of winning a match is absorbing someone, but it's not.

 

[BLAZE]

Nice Thread bruh

 

[Joon]

Everyone thinks Obito's only way of winning a match is absorbing someone, but it's not.

I never said. But some would think that and I refute that fact based on....

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[Lord Tywin]

I never said. But some would think that and I refute that fact based on....

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Obito knows how intelligent Itachi is. He wouldn't go for a simple absorption. He would go for the kill.

 

[Gerkak]

Good thread

 

[Trúth]

Shadow clones handle Obito's ass.

 

[Joon]

Obito knows how intelligent Itachi is. He wouldn't go for a simple absorption. He would go for the kill.

I thought so as well.

 

[Brünhild]

Obito can remain intangible for only five minutes at maximum and he must become tangible to teleport and attack his opponents, which gives an opportunity to counterattack. That's why he almost was stomped by Konan, at the exact time he was going to teleport, he became tangible and Konan threw her paper bombs on him. And let's suppose he can phase through Yata and Susanoo, to attack Itachi he must become tangible and Itachi would take advantage on that.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Shadow clones handle Obito's ass.

Joke of the century.

 

[BLAZE]

Obito can remain intangible for only five minutes at maximum and he must become tangible to teleport and attack his opponents, which gives an opportunity to counterattack. That's why he almost was stomped by Konan, at the exactly time he was going to teleport, he became tangible and Konan threw her paper bombs on him. And let's suppose he can phase through Yata and Susanoo, to attack Itachi he must become tangible and Itachi would take advantage on that.

Can Itachi maintain Susanoo for 5 mins :|

 

[YellowFang]

Tsukiyomi is the only thing that can do anything to Tobi...

1- With intel:
Tobi would never allow Itachi to do Tsukiyomi on him and keep the battle very short... And he can do both because even if Itachi is ahead in brains, Tobi possess a power Itachi has no answer to...

2- W/o intel:
Itachi never starts with Tsukiyomi and sooner Tobi will learn that he's a more genjutsu-type, it'll help him realize that the fight should be short... This scenario is 50/50
If Itachi realizes first that Tobi possesses something like Kamui, he'd try to use Tsukiyomi right away and if Tobi gets alert about the danger of genjutsu, he'd Kamui himself right into Itachi's stomach...

 

[Lord Tywin]

Obito can remain intangible for only five minutes at maximum and he must become tangible to teleport and attack his opponents, which gives an opportunity to counterattack. That's why he almost was stomped by Konan, at the exactly time he was going to teleport, he became tangible and Konan threw her paper bombs on him. And let's suppose he can phase through Yata and Susanoo, to attack Itachi he must become tangible and Itachi would take advantage on that.

He car remain intangible for 5 continuous minutes. He could go for short duration or for the whole of 5 minutes. He can simply resume his intangibility and its time after he has gone tangible for a brief period of time. Nothing in Itachi's arsenal enables him to attack Obito for 5 straight minutes.
Also how exactly Itachi would know that Obito is tangible? We've seen how masterfully Obito tricks his opponents with Kamui.

Tsukiyomi is the only thing that can do anything to Tobi...

1- With intel:
Tobi would never allow Itachi to do Tsukiyomi on him and keep the battle very short... And he can do both because even if Itachi is ahead in brains, Tobi possess a power Itachi has no answer to...

2- W/o intel:
Itachi never starts with Tsukiyomi and sooner Tobi will learn that he's a more genjutsu-type, it'll help him realize that the fight should be short... This scenario is 50/50
If Itachi realizes first that Tobi possesses something like Kamui, he'd try to use Tsukiyomi right away and if Tobi gets alert about the danger of genjutsu, he'd Kamui himself right into Itachi's stomach...

He sees right through Tsukuyomi. He can't be placed under it.

 

[Trúth]

Joke of the century.

> He makes a shadow clone.
> Obito sends it to the Kamui dimension.
> Itachi proceeds to beat the living shit out of him.

 

[Brünhild]

Can Itachi maintain Susanoo for 5 mins :|

We don't know, but I think he could if he was 100% healthy.

 

[Amazeballs]

I've always considered Obito more powerful than Itachi... they're both essentially "perfect" in terms of combat wisdom and mastery of jutsu, but Obito has more power-ups overall. They're both at the stage where their only improvement comes in the form of power-ups (Senjutsu, Senju cells, Bijuu, etc).

 

[Lord Tywin]

> He makes a shadow clone.
> Obito sends it to the Kamui dimension.
> Itachi proceeds to beat the living shit out of him.

Or Obito simply manhandles the clones like how he manhandled Kcm Naruto's clones, which are stronger than Itachi's.