Obito already used Shisui's eye!?

[Shunsin no Shisui]

It's clear that Obito's sharingan has a unique ability that allows himself and his surrounding to dematerialize as well as another unique ability that allows him to suck in any physical object that he desires. But people still tend to get confused as they think back how Obito managed to manipulate a kage and a bijuu when his sharingan doesn't grant him such power. The proof that this is true is that Kakashi also has the same sharingan as Obito but has never been seen to manipulate anyone.

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So the question is: How did Obito manage to manipulate the fourth mizukage and the kyubi?

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Since the power of manipulation came from a sharingan and there are only two known shinobi that have a sharingan with the power of manipulation; Madara Uchiha and Shisui Uchiha. Madara is an exception in this thread because his eyes were given to Nagato after evolving into the Rinnegan dojutsu. So anyway, Shisui had a dojutsu called Kotoamatsukami; considered the most powerful genjutsu which was a technique that could manipulate anyone without the need of direct eye-contact unlike Tsukyomi. This means that Obito some how managed to obtain Shisui’s eye.

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Danzo and Itachi are the only shinobi known to possess Shisui’s eyes and Obito is seen to know both Danzo and Itachi.

During the fight between Sasuke and Danzo, Obito(Tobi) gave the impression that he knew Danzo when he was giving the commentary. We can also see when he was telling the story of Konoha’s history to Sasuke. He must’ve met with Danzo personally to know alot about him, Obito is also not a type of person to be sceptical in this case.

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Obito met Itachi just before the Uchiha Clan Massacre. Itachi possessed Shisui’s eye then. There’s a chance that Itachi lended him Shisui’s eye to build trust with Obito. During that period there’s a possibility that he may have manipulated the Kyubi and the Fourth Mizukage. This makes alot more sense to how he managed to manipulate the Kyubi and the Fourth Mizukage with the help of Kotoamatsukami by Shisui’s eye. This theory makes alot more sense.

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But one thing is still unclear: How did Obito manage to use Kotoamtsukami more than once within a year when it takes a decade?


The answer is - Hashirama DNA. Obito had Hashirama DNA implanted in him by Madara Uchiha. This enhanced his abilities and allowed the Kotoamatsukami to recharge after a day rather than a decade similar to how the Hashirama DNA worked on Danzo.

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

Obito never had Shisui's eye. It is possible that he had Danzo cast KA on the mizukage to make the kage follow Obito's commands, but Obito never possessed it.

 

[Solo]

No.

 

[XxOUTZxX]

So what?? Shisui has 3 eyes?? Lolz

 

[Narukarin16]

He can control d gedo mazou, the kyuubi is nothing to him.

 

[Uzimaki Akira]

First off the Sharingan cannot become something far superior to it's nature, i.e; the Rinnegan, it can only mutate and imitate that power. Second Madara is a master manipulator and I liar so taking him at his word for anything is foolish. Third MS coupled with Uchiha blood is what controlled the Kyuubi so of course Kakashi wouldn't be able to do it, he's not an Uchiha. Also Senju Dna seems to control or at least subdue Bijuu maybe that's why Hashirama was able to do what he did to the others. Uchiha and Senju are descendants of the two sons of the So6Ps, that is the key because he created the Bijuu by taming the Ten tails.

 

[Harry Balzac]

Madara controlled him via some proxy

 

[Shunsin no Shisui]

Obito never had Shisui's eye. It is possible that he had Danzo cast KA on the mizukage to make the kage follow Obito's commands, but Obito never possessed it.

So Obito picked up Danzo like a doll or a gun and forced him to cast KA xd Lmao, Danzo would rather use people NOT be used by people so you fail :sy:

No.

So what?? Shisui has 3 eyes?? Lolz

He can control d gedo mazou, the kyuubi is nothing to him.

You guys need to read more carefully

First off the Sharingan cannot become something far superior to it's nature, i.e; the Rinnegan, it can only mutate and imitate that power. Second Madara is a master manipulator and I liar so taking him at his word for anything is foolish. Third MS coupled with Uchiha blood is what controlled the Kyuubi so of course Kakashi wouldn't be able to do it, he's not an Uchiha. Also Senju Dna seems to control or at least subdue Bijuu maybe that's why Hashirama was able to do what he did to the others. Uchiha and Senju are descendants of the two sons of the So6Ps, that is the key because he created the Bijuu by taming the Ten tails.

Red bold - It's a fact that the Sharingan can evolve into the Rinnegan after obtaining a portion of Hashirama DNA as we saw through Madara. This happens as part of a 'natural evolution' involving the dojutsus.
Black bold - Are you referring to Madara Uchiha or Obito Uchiha?
Blue bold - I know Kakashi isn't an Uchiha but explain why Obito and Madara are the only ones who could control the kyubi with just a sharingan. Why couldn't Itachi, Sasuke or Izuna control it then?
Green bold - Danzo also possessed Hashirama DNA, why didn't he control the kyubi?

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

So Obito picked up Danzo like a doll or a gun and forced him to cast KA xd Lmao, Danzo would rather use people NOT be used by people so you fail :sy:







You guys need to read more carefully



Red bold - It's a fact that the Sharingan can evolve into the Rinnegan after obtaining a portion of Hashirama DNA as we saw through Madara. This happens as part of a 'natural evolution' involving the dojutsus.
Black bold - Are you referring to Madara Uchiha or Obito Uchiha?
Blue bold - I know Kakashi isn't an Uchiha but explain why Obito and Madara are the only ones who could control the kyubi with just a sharingan. Why couldn't Itachi, Sasuke or Izuna control it then?
Green bold - Danzo also possessed Hashirama DNA, why didn't he control the kyubi?

The current Mizukage said that whatever controlled the former was similar to KA. Like I said, it is POSSIBLE that Danzo cast KA to help Obito, they could have had some other arrangements. That is more likely than what you said about Obito actually having Shisui's eye to control the Mizukage and Kurama. Obito used his right sharingan, his own that has Kamui, to control Kurama. He has had that same right eye for his entire life.

Madara and Obito aren't the only people shown to be able to control or suppress Kurama. Sasuke was able to suppress his chakra inside of Naruto with 3T sharingan. It seems that it is all about skill with eyes when controlling Bijuu. MS increases this skill. Danzo acquired hashi DNA after Kurama was sealed in Naruto, so he never had a chance to try and control him.

 

[Prime Rib]

sorry but obito can controll tailed beast with just his sharingan

 

[Shunsin no Shisui]

The current Mizukage said that whatever controlled the former was similar to KA.

Show me the manga page or anime ep. where the former Mizukage said that the jutsu used to control Yagura was similar to the KA?

Like I said, it is POSSIBLE that Danzo cast KA to help Obito, they could have had some other arrangements. That is more likely than what you said about Obito actually having Shisui's eye to control the Mizukage and Kurama.

You need to read the thread again. There are only two users who can manipulate an enity with their eyes alone, Shisui and Madara with his EMS. According to the thread, it is more believable that Obito borrowed Shisui's sharingan from Itachi rather than using Danzo to assist him. Obito was always against the leaf since he met Madara so he would never ally with Danzo.

Obito used his right sharingan, his own that has Kamui, to control Kurama. He has had that same right eye for his entire life.

I also stated in the thread, that Obito's sharingan can't cast KA or a similar jutsu that has the ability to control an entity. If Obito's sharingan could, then why didn't Kakashi use this ability(since he has Obito's sharingan) to suppress the kyubi inside Naruto instead of letting Yamato use the 'Hokage Style Elder Jutsu' to suppress the kyubi inside Naruto. It's possible that Obito's been implanting different eyes as we've seen his sharingan lab.

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Madara and Obito aren't the only people shown to be able to control or suppress Kurama. Sasuke was able to suppress his chakra inside of Naruto with 3T sharingan. It seems that it is all about skill with eyes when controlling Bijuu. MS increases this skill. Danzo acquired hashi DNA after Kurama was sealed in Naruto, so he never had a chance to try and control him.

Also show me the manga page or anime ep. where Sasuke suppresses the kyub's chakra inside Naruto? Danzo acquired Hashirama DNA so that he could recharge the time to use KA like what Obito may have done. Danzo and Obito also have Sharingans and Hashirama DNA so that they could use Izanagi.

sorry but obito can controll tailed beast with just his sharingan

You don't get it. U_U What i'm trying to say is, what if the sharingan Obito used to control the kyubi and yagura was actually Shisui's sharingan which he may have borrowed from Itachi to build his trust with him. That's what this thread is about, you probably didn't read :sy: I also stated in the thread, that Obito's sharingan can't cast KA or a similar jutsu that has the ability to control an entity. If Obito's sharingan could, then why didn't Kakashi use this ability(since he has Obito's sharingan) to suppress the kyubi inside Naruto instead of letting Yamato use the 'Hokage Style Elder Jutsu' to suppress the kyubi inside Naruto.

By the way, Shisui's sharingan on base level which is 3 tomoe can still cast KA as seen with Danzo when he used KA on Mifune. Danzo possessed Shisui's sharingan but never showed it to be in a MS state. Shisui's sharingan can also cast KA without direct eye-contact unlike Tsukyomi. This is why it is considered the most powerful genjutsu.

 

[End of Days]

What i'm trying to say is, what if the sharingan Obito used to control the kyubi and yagura was actually Shisui's sharingan which he may have borrowed from Itachi to build his trust with him.

no, he casts genjutsu from his right eye

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the same eye was used for kamui later

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its his own eye and not shisui's, unless you think that obito took out shisui's eye from his socket and again implanted his own eye to use kamui during that night

 

[Shunsin no Shisui]

no, he casts genjutsu from his right eye

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It's stated no where in the manga that if a left sharingan of an Uchiha is implanted in the right eye socket or vice versa, the sharingan will still awaken. How do you know whether Itachi's eyes were implanted incorrectly into Sasuke's eye sockets and this in the end caused one of the eye's to appear different to the other?

the same eye was used for kamui later

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its his own eye and not shisui's, unless you think that obito took out shisui's eye from his socket and again implanted his own eye to use kamui during that night

Minato and Obito's fight was only shown briefly. Obito could've quickly implanted a different eye during an interval seeing that he is proficient in high-level surgical skills. Also, do you remember that container which Itachi used to carry a sharingan eye? It's possible that Obito may have used this.

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[Great Sage of Uchiha]

First off the Sharingan cannot become something far superior to it's nature, i.e; the Rinnegan, it can only mutate and imitate that power. Second Madara is a master manipulator and I liar so taking him at his word for anything is foolish. Third MS coupled with Uchiha blood is what controlled the Kyuubi so of course Kakashi wouldn't be able to do it, he's not an Uchiha. Also Senju Dna seems to control or at least subdue Bijuu maybe that's why Hashirama was able to do what he did to the others. Uchiha and Senju are descendants of the two sons of the So6Ps, that is the key because he created the Bijuu by taming the Ten tails.

What has madara lied about, Obito lied not madara

 

['Nāpalm]

Theory with potential but no, his first time seeing Shisui's eye was with his fight with Danzo

 

[Voltron]

NO, no, no....

Obito's Genjutsu controlled the 9-tails, so controling a person is nothing....
Plus, Danzo and Itachi had shisui's eyes. Unless Obito borrowed and returned it!! xd

 

[Kronnic]

Sasuke did not actually control it but he did suppress it and he did not have Shisui's eye.

 

[Great Sage of Uchiha]

Also show me the manga page or anime ep. where Sasuke suppresses the kyub's chakra inside Naruto? Danzo acquired Hashirama DNA so that he could recharge the time to use KA like what Obito may have done. Danzo and Obito also have Sharingans and Hashirama DNA so that they could use Izanagi.

Sasuke did suppress the Kyubbi, not to the extent of Madara or Hashirama but he did early in shippuden chapter 309.

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Naruto even states " Now i didn't even think you would be able to suppress my power."
So don't underestimate sasuke dude, he is a skill shinobi and so is naruto

 

[Shunsin no Shisui]

NO, no, no....

Obito's Genjutsu controlled the 9-tails, so controling a person is nothing....
Plus, Danzo and Itachi had shisui's eyes. Unless Obito borrowed and returned it!! xd

That's what this thread is about :sy: I've come up with the theory that Obito may have already borrowed Shisui's eye from Itachi in order to develop his trust with him so that he can assist him in the Uchiha Clan Massacre. Then Obito may have used Shisui's KA on the Kyubi and Yagura after Itachi lended him Shisui's eye.

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Sasuke did not actually control it but he did suppress it and he did not have Shisui's eye.

This thread is not about Sasuke suppressing the kyubi and possessing Shisui's eye, it's about Obito already possessing Shisui's eye and using it in his life time.

Sasuke did suppress the Kyubbi, not to the extent of Madara or Hashirama but he did early in shippuden chapter 309.

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Naruto even states " Now i didn't even think you would be able to suppress my power."
So don't underestimate sasuke dude, he is a skill shinobi and so is naruto

Thanks for the reference but it's still unclear how Sasuke managed to get inside Naruto and actually confront the Kyubi. I've never underestimated Sasuke or overestimated him. However it's only now since he's awakened the EMS that I find him interesting. I had always hated him before that, because technically he always used to win his fights decisively and easily. There was always some controversy behind it. The worst part of Sasuke was when he went to Oro to seek power and pleasure xd I mean Oro is purely disgusting, why the hell would you go to him to search for power? :shrug:

 

[Great Sage of Uchiha]

Thanks for the reference but it's still unclear how Sasuke managed to get inside Naruto and actually confront the Kyubi. I've never underestimated Sasuke or overestimated him. However it's only now since he's awakened the EMS that I find him interesting. I had always hated him before that, because technically he always used to win his fights decisively and easily. There was always some controversy behind it. The worst part of Sasuke was when he went to Oro to seek power and pleasure xd I mean Oro is purely disgusting, why the hell would you go to him to search for power? :shrug:

lol No problem ,Didn't he just make eye contact with Naruto, while naruto was trying to stop the kyubbi for taking over? Yeah I understand, I'm a big Team 7 and taka fan in general so ( Your can tell by my Pic).
Well you have to put you self in sasuke's shoes, what who you do if your brother kept telling you that you were too weak and that you needed more power and you also notice that your friend who isn't even thought of a genius seems to have more power then you. At the time sasuke felt Oro was his ownly way to gain more power without him having to kill naruto, now that i think about it he was kinda still caring and looking out for naruto ( My not killing him when he clearly could have) even after he said he would break his and naruto's bond.