Obama discuss Orlando, Isis, & trump agenda

[Guy Fawkes]

[video=youtube;ikSaNZb6UR0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikSaNZb6UR0[/video]

So Donald Trump would like Obama Administration to refer to Isis as "Radical Islamist" which could (would!) cause major tension between American people(some practice Islamic teachings or the teachings of "The Honorable Prophet Muhammad"). This guy is literally causing confusion among the people, he wants to get rid of all Mexicans and go to war with all Islamist.

You could say he only wants "Radical Islamist" but by doing so you would ostracize Pius Islamist. Remember how they were treated after 9/11? Kids from a Islamist background was harassed bad because of the media portray of Muslims! Yes there are some people who pervert religious teachings, but have you never seen the film Spotlight?

It exposes that 6% of all catholic priest where accused of pedophilia by 2001 (right before the Globe was going to publish, 9/11 happened and the Boston Globe had to wait 6 weeks to publish the first article in reference to the priest scandal).The head bishop would resign that next year, only to be promoted and relocated to a church in Rome, which is even more prestigious.

The point is, there are those who are dutiful faithful servants of their faith and then there are those who wish to play the hand of God, but God is Love, not hate.

Thats all guys, i'm just going to leave this here. I'm not looking to offend anyone or argue. May peace be upon you​

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

I don't see how increasing tension between Muslims and the U.S would help anyone, tbh.

In the Middle East, when people see airstrikes, what they think is the U.S is bombing them because of their religion. When a mentally ill, violent, gay, terrorist-sympathizer kills 50 Americans, Americans think it's because Muslims secretly are waiting to wage war with them.

Both are obviously thinking wrong and looking at it in a black and white view will only make things worse. This is a fact.


The U.S needs to change their foreign policy and stop dropping democracy on the middle East.

Stability in the Middle East helps both sides.

 

[Joon]

The problem is ISIS do not need Trump's help, they have their own propaganda and ideology. But to "politicize" Trump by spreading fear and confusion among the American people and nations abroad, sends a message that the President doesn't know what he is doing and it is feeding to Trump's criticism.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

The problem is ISIS do not need Trump's help, they have their own propaganda and ideology. But to "politicize" Trump by spreading fear and confusion among the American people and nations abroad, sends a message that the President doesn't know what he is doing and it is feeding to Trump's criticism.

hun? Obama believes that by calling them Radiclized Islamist we are then villainizing the entire state of Islam. Which we are, they are terrorist, they do not represent the teachings of Muhammad. So why should we call them "Radicalized Islamist"?

I don't see how increasing tension between Muslims and the U.S would help anyone, tbh.

In the Middle East, when people see airstrikes, what they think is the U.S is bombing them because of their religion. When a mentally ill, violent, gay, terrorist-sympathizer kills 50 Americans, Americans think it's because Muslims secretly are waiting to wage war with them.

Both are obviously thinking wrong and looking at it in a black and white view will only make things worse. This is a fact.


The U.S needs to change their foreign policy and stop dropping democracy on the middle East.

Stability in the Middle East helps both sides.

It would help because it would give isis more raesons to commit terroist acts. and they could use the fact that Donald Trump and America has ostracized them as a means to recruit young Islamist (remember tobirama and the Uchiha, not exactly the same, but ery similar

 

[The Great Second Hokage]

Creating tension between any two groups of people just to make a story is absolutely moronic.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

hun? Obama believes that by calling them Radiclized Islamist we are then villainizing the entire state of Islam. Which we are, they are terrorist, they do not represent the teachings of Muhammad. So why should we call them "Radicalized Islamist"?



It would help because it would give isis more raesons to commit terroist acts. and they could use the fact that Donald Trump and America has ostracized them as a means to recruit young Islamist (remember tobirama and the Uchiha, not exactly the same, but ery similar

I was agreeing with you.

 

[Joon]

hun? Obama believes that by calling them Radiclized Islamist we are then villainizing the entire state of Islam. Which we are, they are terrorist, they do not represent the teachings of Muhammad. So why should we call them "Radicalized Islamist"?



It would help because it would give isis more raesons to commit terroist acts. and they could use the fact that Donald Trump and America has ostracized them as a means to recruit young Islamist (remember tobirama and the Uchiha, not exactly the same, but ery similar

I just see Trump identifing the enemy:

Trump: "Radical Islamic Terrorism"

Islamic terrorism is, by definition, terrorist acts committed by Muslim groups or individuals who profess Islamic or Islamist motivations or goals.[citation needed] Islamic terrorists justify their violent tactics by selectively citing Quran and Hadith and interpreting these scriptures according to their own goals and intentions

G.W declared war on Terrorism. By definition, that is anyone, which leads us in endless war or conflict in the middle east. Obama is doing the same with the extension of ISIS as a major threat.

The name tells us what we are dealing with and how to weed them out from the rest of them.

 

[The Work]

How does a mentally ill person get a hold of a gun anyway?

 

[Joon]

How does a mentally ill person get a hold of a gun anyway?

Our gun laws are shit. GOP doesn't care, Dems want to take them away.

 

[Angelic.]

He's mad lol **** trump for using this to imply Obamas a Muslim terrorist

 

[demon of the leaf]

As far as i care i do not care if it hurts anyones feelings as far as i care giving a face to the ****ing sect that trys to portray itself as islam is better then nothing im happy the good islamists are speaking out against these sick evil ****s. we arent helping those that are good by not calling it as it is those that want to go back to the barbaric middle age idology which is classified as radical islam. Back in world war 2 we called nazi germany and imperial japan for what they were which was evil then calling the soviets the evil empire because they spilt germany in 2 and forced half of Europe into a form of government they didnt want

 

[Guy Fawkes]

As far as i care i do not care if it hurts anyones feelings as far as i care giving a face to the ****ing sect that trys to portray itself as islam is better then nothing im happy the good islamists are speaking out against these sick evil ****s. we arent helping those that are good by not calling it as it is those that want to go back to the barbaric middle age idology which is classified as radical islam. Back in world war 2 we called nazi germany and imperial japan for what they were which was evil then calling the soviets the evil empire because they spilt germany in 2 and forced half of Europe into a form of government they didnt want

preach my brother

Trump: "Radical Islamic Terrorism"

Islam should not be included.

I was agreeing with you.

I thought that when you said you cant see how tension between Americans would help any, that you were implying that Trump's redirect of the Islamic people wasn't trying to cause discord among Americans. My fault bro

 

[paratise]

I don't know why Islamic terrorism would offend people if they are liberal/seccular Muslims.

Regardless of how good or bad the teachings of Islam are these people use Islam as compass. Sure, historicly religion was a tool rather than actual purpose to conquer more but still religion is an integral part of their actions.

On the other hand Trump surely does not have problems with how Obama defines this terror, it is a very surface level judgement to think so. He directly emphasized on putting the blame on any and everyone of Muslim faith and people racialized as such.

His actions will end up in further radicalization. Just like how Iraq invasion resulted with budding of new terrorist groups. What we are seeing now is results of the actions of 15 years ago. Taliban was created by US to fight Soviets, now that swamp of terror still exists.

 

[Deadlift]

Like every racist, Trump wants to pigeonhole anyone in catalogues where their ideas are exasperated, transforming everyone in an extremists who fights against opposed extremists. You won't have Christians, Muslims, feminists, leftists ecc.. You will have fundamentalist Christians, Islamists, femi-nazis and stalinists

 

[Guy Fawkes]

I don't know why Islamic terrorism would offend people if they are liberal/seccular Muslims.

Regardless of how good or bad the teachings of Islam are these people use Islam as compass. Sure, historicly religion was a tool rather than actual purpose to conquer more but still religion is an integral part of their actions.

On the other hand Trump surely does not have problems with how Obama defines this terror, it is a very surface level judgement to think so. He directly emphasized on putting the blame on any and everyone of Muslim faith and people racialized as such.

His actions will end up in further radicalization. Just like how Iraq invasion resulted with budding of new terrorist groups. What we are seeing now is results of the actions of 15 years ago. Taliban was created by US to fight Soviets, now that swamp of terror still exists.

Your right im sure he is not actually upset with how Obama defines these terrorist, he just wants the Muslim community to accept some sort of responsibility or blame for these terrorist. which is absurd.

@bold This is exactly the point Obama was making towards the end of his speech. If trump gets office these terrorist with their perverted logic will have been given more reason, from their perspective, to continue these acts and may look more appealing to Muslim American Youth who feel their government is suspicious of them simply because of their heritage. Which would frustrate anyone.