NV is ninja world, really?

what Naruto manga really is?


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Hello NB friends of mine here, happy to meet you'll again.

Nearly a month I got banned and operated as guest all that time, I saw many thing happen here

OK, I dont want to waste much time here, I'm going straight to the subject for discussion.


First of all, do you consider NV is really a ninja world?

Before you'll answering that question I'm very sure that most of you will say "this is fictional" or "Naruto ninja is not follow our real world Ninja", or "Kishi change the term or upgrade it" etc.

Yeah, I understood that, but if Kishi really want to use superhuman power most of the time and using less ninja weapons like, Shuriken, Kunai, Kusarigamai, Yumi, Kama etc, why placed great emphasis on ninja weapons although Ninjutsu in superhuman level is the prime spotlight of this series.

Shinobi is other name for ninja, but people recognized Ninja name more than Shinobi. When being ask what is ninja? The answer they will tell is Stealth, Dart, Shuriken, Kunai, Black outfit, Assasin, Ambush etc, but Shinobi term is more loose than Ninja, Shinobi can be say as way of life of Ninja, Ideology etc.

That's mean if Kishi using Shinobi name here in his manga and not Ninja name to represent his characters or series, he can freely change it to his own term and its no need to introduve Ninja weapons. He can start with Ninjutsu power/weapons instead. That's mean we will set in our mind that Naruto's Shinobi is Ninjutsu practitioner all the time and not ninja weapons practitioner like we knew in real life.

Why I say all that, it is because when Naruto Shinobi using a ninja weapons, peoples that having a knowledge or information about ninja in actual life from wiki or any sources will tell you that Naruto's characters is not a ninja but a superpower humans.

And for me Kishi intention on his work is to create the series that one day will become the strongest series between all HST if not Shonen genre.

His inspiration is DB and Akira Toriyama, this two is the proof that inside Kishi mind he is thinking that he need to have one very powerful manga series and screw other logic about Ninja or Shinobi.

Ninja or Shinobi theme he chose is just like a purpose to have a theme only, but his primary point/idea/concept is, this manga will be super powerful manga one day,

the Kurama appearance in the very first chapter is the proof that Shinobi/Ninja theme is like cover up of his true motive of Naruto Manga.

His main characters, Naruto never really uses any ninja weapons like a ninja, Kisame using Water Dome power-this is not a ninja way of ninjutsu, Deidara large explosion type of bomb, Might Guy's Gates, Sakura or Tsunade CES, etc

And it totally out of ninja world when Doujutsu is introduced.

Go back to Ninja way of ninjutsu that I think very ideal, I will put some example of them from my observation. Exp. is, Tobirama water bullet or Gangatsu water bullet, Tobirama water jet, Sasori puppet can be acceptable, Itachi non sharingan tech., Hair Senbon, Katon, Shikamaru Shadow tech, Chidori and Raikiri etc

Above is acceptable form of Ninjutsu of Ninja if Kishi really what to have a Shinobi with superhuman power, but when you create water Dragon, Mokuton in gigantic scale, water Dome, Nuclear like explosion, Energy Ball etc. The Ninja term of Ninjutsu is been blown out of proportion.

But still the Ninjutsu is not much a problem if we talking about image or theme of the series because its exist in our world, but the lack of Ninja way and practice is the problem because the author tried to put that image on NV but it derailed from that image in the end and very far.

And once again, what is your opinion about NV, was it about Ninja story or Superpower story like DBZ.
 
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What did you expect him to do? Start Part 2 like: Hey guys, just wanted to tell you that this isn't about ninjas anymore 'cause I changed my mind.

Really, what's the purpose of this thread? All of us know it wasn't very "ninjalike" at early/middle Part 2 anymore, so what will we achieve with this thread?
 

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I always felt that ninja/shinobi was just a base concept that Kishi felt like he could work around. Even though the story started off we the ninja image and later derailed, it was always hinted that the scale was on a upper level when you consider Kurama. I don't think Kishi cared so much as creating a superpower manga, one to surpass the other mangas as that's petty and probably not a big deal to a mangaka. Plus it wouldn't be good for him to take after Akira too much because he loses originality points for that.

In Kishi's manga, he focused more on what it meant to be a ninja/shinobi, the qualities those individuals should have. The power scale change was bound to happen when the concept of controlling Kurama came into play.
 
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What the **** is this grammar ? Do you even know what 'll means ?
I'm using Ipad currently, auto-correct problem and not use to it.
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What did you expect him to do? Start Part 2 like: Hey guys, just wanted to tell you that this isn't about ninjas anymore 'cause I changed my mind.

Really, what's the purpose of this thread? All of us know it wasn't very "ninjalike" at early/middle Part 2 anymore, so what will we achieve with this thread?
I just want know peoples opinion on Naruto Manga Status,Lol
 

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Ninjas were known to use magic and illusions and even tried to scare people by staring menacingly at someone
Ninja also means to endure
He just took that concept and made it more supernatural of course he has his influences from DBZ and other mangas
 

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It is a "ninja" world.

It's just that exceptional circumstances have brought out the necessity for a few especially power individuals. But we know for a fact that normal ninja fight using their physical abilities, weapons etc. You can't use the likes of the Otsutsuki as a face for the norm.
 

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It's a super-powered Ninja story as he Intended...which actually sets it apart from all the other dime a dozen ninja stories in Japan. The black-suit ninja thing popularized by Hollywood isn't true to Historical ninja anyway. Also supernatural powers are part of Ninja mythology.
 

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I didn't read One Piece

But pirate theme is very loose theme, we can manipulate it freely compared to Ninja theme.
The pirate theme is not loose at all -_-
As far as ninjas go you will find it very difficult to find actual facts about them instead you will find the stereotypical black suit guys that Hollywood made popular.
 

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Its not about real ninja, since Naruto-verse ninja are vastly sperior. Neither is it like Dragonballz powerlevels.

Only about 8-10 characters in the entire series can burst mountains and so on. And only few of them are country busters.

Emphasis on this manga, was on morals and bonds, not the fighting itself. The fighting was used to represent the bond between characters.

PS: Not all ninja dressed in black and hid around all the time.

The word ninja simply means one who practices ninjutsu. And going by that, Naruto people are ninja.
 

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I didn't read One Piece

But pirate theme is very loose theme, we can manipulate it freely compared to Ninja theme.
Umm no.

What the **** kinda biased nonsense is that?

Pirates are pillagers, rapists, thief's, and murderous.

Open a ****ing history book. I promise you there was no such thing as a pirate made of Rubber and a pirate with 3 KATANAS.
 

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In a world full of ninja, discreation is actually hard. No amount of Black clothing is going to help you not get noticed.

I think the only Ninja thing still in Naruto is deception. (Genjustu, Bunshin feints, Surprise attacks).

All all levels of power scaling, deception is present.

They are traditional shinobi but they're shinobi nontheless.





It's just Kishi's take on ninjas. His pilot took place in a futuristic Konoha, didn't it?

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In a world full of ninja, discreation is actually hard. No amount of Black clothing is going to help you not get noticed.

I think the only Ninja thing still in Naruto is deception. (Genjustu, Bunshin feints, Surprise attacks).

All all levels of power scaling, deception is present.

They are traditional shinobi but they're shinobi nontheless.





It's just Kishi's take on ninjas. His pilot took place in a futuristic Konoha, didn't it?

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What chapter is that, ot what Naruto manga is that, I'm never seen it before
 
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