Not bashing but still.... Is it me or... ?

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I recently found some of my old Marvel, Spider-man comicbook collection and some old Michel Vaillant comics as well..
It could be me but specially those old Spider-man comics have a LOT of dialogue and these things date back from 1984 - 1986 :|
Now..in Naruto I find there's not a lot of text and it's quite dumbed down really.
It makes me review Naruto as a manga even more critical. I'm am finding it a very poor written manga and the writer skills are declining with every episode. :eww:

Now, before I bash Masashi Kishimoto & co in the ground.. Is it just that the Japanese - English translaters are doing that poor of a job? Or this REALLY just a 700 part-(below) average comic?
I'd like some opinions of individuals who are able to read the original too ofcourse.
 

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I'm comparing the two because even though 'Narutoverse' is fictional to the core. It is a closed universe. Narutoverse contains a history, setting and a future to where the manga is leading us.
In my opinion the lack of quality within the dialogues and lack of more significant text (English version) leaves to much room for interpretation. And I'm not saying that using your own imagination is a bad thing but in thise case. It disturbs me greatly, as a reader that there's holes in a story or background.
I mean.. We're at 700 episodes. SEVEN HUNDRED.
Now, like I mentioned before, I don't read/speak Japanese so that's why I'm asking if the difference in published languages is that big or if it's just really the writer.
 

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I'm just stating for the record. I like Naruto. I've spent a lot of time reading and viewing both the anime & the manga versions. I'm just a bit of a critic on what I'm reading from Naruto.
So please if there's people with only the strong urge to tell me to log off, just don't.
I wasn't asking you pidgeonheads nothing.

I'm making this a discussionthread for the educated and not a playground for the underaged.

Thank you.
 

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Manga has been noted for its ability to express every little scene with images, while in comics you'll notice how the panels don't show every movement. Comics use dialogue like a normal story, but manga tends to rely on pictures to tell the story because that is the Japanese style. That's why every little kick and punch is drawn and the facial expressions have so much feelings in them.

So manga tries to use pictures to tell a story, supplemented with dialogue now and then.
 

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I have realize the same thing as well. Most Japanese Manga are poorly written on the conceptual side. It seems that Japanese audience cannot process complex ideology, and mostly, they seems to be caught into mere rivalry other meaningless life factors. The worse is that these rivalry are not even conceptually justified and they end up always into a contest of power.

Maybe this can be trace back to their traditions where everything seems to be solved by the sword without really caring for justice, what is wrong and what is good. With no offense, it seems that Japanese audience have almost zero knowledge of good and bad, and always resort to primitive concept such as the strongest, the most handsome, etc. They cannot simply sustain a valuable argument, even in adult movies. It is always someone get killed, then goes for a mindless revenge.

This is the same in Naruto, and despite Kishi's hard work in trying to pick some stuff from western culture, he could not escape the primitive behavior of his main audience. This result in a wavering between developing both his main characters. If Kishi achieve everything Naruto said, then he will lose the audience that love Sasuke - with is the typical Japanese hardcore fanboys. In order to understand what I am saying, you only need to trace everything related to Naruto in the series. Kishi always gives a glimpse about Naruto, then after listening to the fans, he forget it. Examples of this are:

(1) Naruto - Rikudo connection. When Naruto went the first time in KCM, his appearance was exactly the same as some of the flashback Obito gave about Rikudo. Naruto even perform a sealing that Kyuubi referred to as Six Path's or so. Ask yourself what that connection became - hype, hint, or what? Well, Kishi could not go this road because he would lose Sasuke's fanbase.

(2) Naruto - Hashirama connection. It was always hinted, and Naruto fans have been waiting for Naruto's Mokuton. When Naruto wenet in KCM, it was also hinted as Naruto could cause Mokuton to grow, hinting that he could even be greater than Hashirama. Yet Kishi has forgotten these, and why? Again, it would break the Naruto - Sasuke rivalry, which would destroy his japanese fanbase.

(3) Look at Sasuke. He is the poorest character in terms of ideology, and the number of word he has spoken in the entire series. We can summarize Sasuke's word in less than a paragraph. Yet, people like him. This is how bad the manga audience is in Japan.

Well, I could go on and on, but it won't change anything, but to offend the Japanese base here. Compared to one piece where the ideology comes from the western pirates culture, Naruto is really poorly handle. As I said, the worst is that Kishi has left many unfinished statement from himself and Naruto that he never dive into. Unanswered questions are who are the Uzumaki, what is truly there connection with Senjus? Who is Minato? Etc. Each one of these need more text and speech from characters, yet Kishi seems to not know himself.
 

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non tobidarized threads dont interst me but good luck anyway
 

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I recently found some of my old Marvel, Spider-man comicbook collection and some old Michel Vaillant comics as well..
It could be me but specially those old Spider-man comics have a LOT of dialogue and these things date back from 1984 - 1986 :|
Now..in Naruto I find there's not a lot of text and it's quite dumbed down really.
It makes me review Naruto as a manga even more critical. I'm am finding it a very poor written manga and the writer skills are declining with every episode. :eww:

Now, before I bash Masashi Kishimoto & co in the ground.. Is it just that the Japanese - English translaters are doing that poor of a job? Or this REALLY just a 700 part-(below) average comic?
I'd like some opinions of individuals who are able to read the original too ofcourse.

It's pretty simple,.. It's because Stan Lee's comics tend to have a lot of dialogue. It's what he is known for.
 

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First of all, i'm not defending any version of fanbase/fandom in regards to my opinion below. Now...

It's true that both comic and manga have different styles, then again, it wholly depends on one's taste. A person may get used to manga for years, so he finds it a bit hard to accept a comic concept, and so likewise. In this case, lack of dialogue is not the main problem. The real point is how the story is written/drawn, is it good enough by telling the route of tale using only pictures? Or does it need more text than various different images? Or perhaps better off with both? Again, it depends on the mangaka/comic artist himself and his skill.

People like Death Note despite of the stack up texts because every word explained is necessary in the story. Some prefer less dialogue such as Natsume Yuujinchou or Flat because the image itself is self-explanatory; "1 picture is worth for 1000 words".

For me, Japanese people love to play with ironic matters and contradictory. They seem organised and mainstream on the outside, but actually they have some hidden messages they want others to hear & listen. Hence, manga is produced. Through manga, you guys realise there are numerous weird stories and genres, where they keep on questioning and bothering with humanity dilemmas, forbidden thoughts, out of norms actions, distortion of religions + philosophies and so on that generally a normal person wouldn't even ponder about it.

Now tell me, is there a comic that bravely touch such issue? I never heard any comic got banned in any country, but in case of manga, there was a few of them had been blocked in certain places. Naruto is good, tbh, it's just Kishi heavily implied a few humanism doubts towards the end of the series it becomes seinen+shounen. Idk why he seems rushing to finish it, but it's a pity that he doesn't highlight the unanswered facts he has been hinting on so far. Unless, he has done it in previous chapters, but the readers aren't well-aware of it.

I have realize the same thing as well. Most Japanese Manga are poorly written on the conceptual side. It seems that Japanese audience cannot process complex ideology, and mostly, they seems to be caught into mere rivalry other meaningless life factors. The worse is that these rivalry are not even conceptually justified and they end up always into a contest of power.

Maybe this can be trace back to their traditions where everything seems to be solved by the sword without really caring for justice, what is wrong and what is good. With no offense, it seems that Japanese audience have almost zero knowledge of good and bad, and always resort to primitive concept such as the strongest, the most handsome, etc. They cannot simply sustain a valuable argument, even in adult movies. It is always someone get killed, then goes for a mindless revenge.

IMO, not really. On the contrary, Japanese used to be one-goal minded society, where they put the element of pride as the utmost priority. They didn't tend to solve everything with a sword without taking account other considerations, the reason behind it was because of the pride they wanted to protect, in which could be both blind and clear at the same time.

They have the knowledge of things that being assumed as good and bad, then again, they inquire about it instead, like who are we to say that one is good or bad? It's just how people in the world define freedom and a person's right. Some opt to an option of restricting it to a particular level, while some pin on a belief that there shouldn't be no rule and no judging.

You have to get used to Japanese way on expressing something through their actions and facial expressions. They don't prefer dialogues to explain, and the audiences/readers need to have a wild guess or nail it by themselves when it comes to interpreting the gist of the story.
 

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Ive been thought of this before naruto not only is it short pages wise imho.....there is barely anything said

most manga it takes me about 30 secs for example to read a page on naruto about 12 secs if that
 
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