North Korea Warns Foreigners in South of Nuclear War

[Kung Fro]

I think I'm pretty safe on the East Coast but yeah the "supreme leader" is a fool

 

[muutobirama3rdraikagemizu]

if they hit us we better nuke them or i am rioting

 

[BazzBee]

May god bless North korea

 

[Ldude]

Damnit, not again...

 

[Yatori]

Thank god i live in mars... phew

 

[Redhothabanero]

3rd world war sign..

 

[Jin Hayami]

I got this one guys...

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[Aim64C]

IF North Korea does send a missile I hope it gets taken down by anti-missile and stuff. And then 100000 missiles destroy pretty much all of his army. I'm sick and tired of that Kim Jong Un. He makes his people starve, I really really really hope he dies.

More than likely, the missile will not need to be shot down. Missiles only need to be shot down if they actually work.

But there are more than enough anti-ballistic missile assets in the region with SM-3 launch capability across several regional powers. About the only thing that needs to be worried about is North Korea's artillery that can rain straight into Seoul. Some casualties will happen from that - but radar nets set up to detect artillery shells will aid in minimizing a good portion of those.

South Korea operates some M-270s outfitted for the older theater ballistic missiles and some of the newer ATACMS. If they are set up how I would be set up - there will be counter-battery fire raining down on those North Korean installations within 45 seconds of ballistic traces destined for Seoul.

I'd then re-pack with submunition dispersers and have my spotters ready to relay coordinates of advancing infantry (assuming I wasn't already dropping anti-personnel mines along likely routes). The awesome thing South Korea has working for them is that they've been given access to a lot of the technology we developed specifically to counter Soviet Zerg-rush tactics. They should easily be able to cut two or three divisions down before they even reach the readying garrison.

And that's mostly because they would run out of ammunition for those massive area effect weapons. North Korea has little in the way of motorized or mechanized infantry to use. They would be -marching- the 180 kilometer range of some of the theater ballistic missiles have.

I imagine that the initial attrition rates would be so high on the North Korean side that order and discipline would completely collapse. Seeing thousands of soldiers turn to pink mist in an instant is a very, very effective means of countering cultural brainwashing.

 

[Jin Hayami]

More than likely, the missile will not need to be shot down. Missiles only need to be shot down if they actually work.

But there are more than enough anti-ballistic missile assets in the region with SM-3 launch capability across several regional powers. About the only thing that needs to be worried about is North Korea's artillery that can rain straight into Seoul. Some casualties will happen from that - but radar nets set up to detect artillery shells will aid in minimizing a good portion of those.

South Korea operates some M-270s outfitted for the older theater ballistic missiles and some of the newer ATACMS. If they are set up how I would be set up - there will be counter-battery fire raining down on those North Korean installations within 45 seconds of ballistic traces destined for Seoul.

I'd then re-pack with submunition dispersers and have my spotters ready to relay coordinates of advancing infantry (assuming I wasn't already dropping anti-personnel mines along likely routes). The awesome thing South Korea has working for them is that they've been given access to a lot of the technology we developed specifically to counter Soviet Zerg-rush tactics. They should easily be able to cut two or three divisions down before they even reach the readying garrison.

And that's mostly because they would run out of ammunition for those massive area effect weapons. North Korea has little in the way of motorized or mechanized infantry to use. They would be -marching- the 180 kilometer range of some of the theater ballistic missiles have.

I imagine that the initial attrition rates would be so high on the North Korean side that order and discipline would completely collapse. Seeing thousands of soldiers turn to pink mist in an instant is a very, very effective means of countering cultural brainwashing.

Meh I don't think you give the NK the credit they deserve. Here's how I see it going...

1. If they strike first the estimated survival time of the soldiers on all this bases is supposed to be thirty minutes. That's what they brief you on when you get there anyway. Scary considering I know six guys over there right now.

2. I'm not artillery or missile defense but I seem to recall the defense systems we had in Afghanistan had a bad habit of locking onto the same target whenever the Taliban loaded up their rails. There'd be several headed at us at once and only one would get taken out. Granted those were a far cry from a large ballistic missile. I'll be the first to admit im not an expert on this one I just have a problem trusting any army equipment.

3. Our biggest assets for repelling the land invasion are gonna be whatever artillery survives and our massive air superiority. The DMZ is going to be a wasteland within a few hours. It depends on how fast they manage to manuever a significant number of troops to the area.
Within twelve hours all remaining American personnel and the SK will be holding down the border. I imagine they'll start the land invasion from the southwest with the Marines leading the way to Pyongyang while the air force and navy pilots from the George Washington blow up everything in their way. I imagine the 82nd will find an excuse to jump in just to prove airborne operations arent obsolete. Problem is they are but thats a different debate all together.

4. The naval battle will be a massacre. America, SK, Japan, and Australia will absolutely annihilate the NK Navy.

In conclusion. While the North will be routed and ravaged in a month they will most likely actually manage to get some ground on the South before we completely manhandle them.
Just my two cents oh and P.S...YAY DEPLOYMENT!!!

 

[Aim64C]

Meh I don't think you give the NK the credit they deserve. Here's how I see it going...

1. If they strike first the estimated survival time of the soldiers on all this bases is supposed to be thirty minutes. That's what they brief you on when you get there anyway. Scary considering I know six guys over there right now.

On all what bases?

There are several strategic positions between the DMZ and Seoul designed largely to direct artillery and be 'tripwires' for reporting details about the enemy before bugging out.

The people at most risk are the Marines stationed on the joint base there at the DMZ. Whether or not they are around long depends largely upon how North Korea goes about attacking.

Given North Korea's arsenal - I would say that there's a good 15-20 kilometer zone south of the DMZ that would be compromised within the first 30 minutes. A few ultra-mobile forces might be able to move a bit beyond that - but you're looking at mostly small recon assets.

And that all largely depends upon how many avenues of approach they can open up. The terrain of Korea is almost identical to the terrain of the Ozark region in Missouri and Arkansas. The quickest route is rarely the convenience of a straight line - becuase there's a 400-foot tall, 75 degree face of granite in your way. Add into this that the place is the largest repository of UXO (Unexploded ordnance) on the planet with anti-personnel mines that still wash down into the road after heavy rain falls (granted, a lot of them probably don't work - but we avoid blazing new trails for a reason)... and it's just not a very ideal place to try and storm an army through.

The raw reality is that South Korean artillery out-ranges the North Korean's (at least the missile variety) and is effectively immune to counter-battery fire. Meanwhile - the North must maneuver large numbers of forces across relatively narrow routes of approach. That's what we call a recipie for a slaughter.

It's a strategic and tactical nightmare for them. They are generations behind in weapons technology and don't have the means to maintain a lot of what they used to have. For God's sake - they can't even get a missile that is on-par with a V-1 rocket to work. Something Germany did in the 30s.

2. I'm not artillery or missile defense but I seem to recall the defense systems we had in Afghanistan had a bad habit of locking onto the same target whenever the Taliban loaded up their rails. There'd be several headed at us at once and only one would get taken out. Granted those were a far cry from a large ballistic missile. I'll be the first to admit im not an expert on this one I just have a problem trusting any army equipment.

North Korea doesn't have -one- missile that works. Let alone enough to launch in a cluster.

Without knowing the type of equipment and engagement you were using - it's difficult to say exactly what the problem was. I'm inclined to say that the problem is simply "cheap hardware" - a system was developed to be fieldable against small rockets of the type that Hezbollah likes to launch against Israel. You're talking about taking down souped up estes model rockets that are cheap to build... you can't be spending a million dollars a pop on each of these small anti-missile-missiles. So the seeker technology is relatively simple in that it homes in on the signal of the launching unit's tracking radar (that bounces off of the incoming missile).

If you were to fire a lot of missiles in a cluster against that system - they would get through.

The SM-3 is a serious upgrade to the RIM-67 Standard missile used by the Navy. The thing has been used to knock satellites out of orbit and can put a telephone pole into a golf ball at closure speeds that are difficult to put into appreciable terms (think of some of the best air-to-air missiles today - the Aim-9x and the Aim-120 AMRAAM ... they close at mach 3+ speeds and run an intercept vector on a target the size of a city bus - the SM-3 does the same thing at over ten times the range, except it closes at speeds well above Mach 12 and puts itself into a target area the size of a golf ball).

3. Our biggest assets for repelling the land invasion are gonna be whatever artillery survives and our massive air superiority. The DMZ is going to be a wasteland within a few hours. It depends on how fast they manage to manuever a significant number of troops to the area.
Within twelve hours all remaining American personnel and the SK will be holding down the border. I imagine they'll start the land invasion from the southwest with the Marines leading the way to Pyongyang while the air force and navy pilots from the George Washington blow up everything in their way. I imagine the 82nd will find an excuse to jump in just to prove airborne operations arent obsolete. Problem is they are but thats a different debate all together.

The plan really isn't to hold the border or to counter-invade. Our models during joint ops vastly over-estimate North Korean capability. While specific contingencies can't be discussed in detail (even if I knew all of them) - the fact that we don't bother with a strong military presence north of Seoul should be a pretty substantial indicator that there are no plans to hold the DMZ.

Defense in depth.

4. The naval battle will be a massacre. America, SK, Japan, and Australia will absolutely annihilate the NK Navy.

I'd be a little worried about their subs. Sure - they are diesel powered subs... but the shallow waters around that region with many quirky channels for sound make ASW something of a nightmare. You can run a diesel sub there without drawing any attention - you'll blend right in with the fishing trawlers.

There are two-and-a-half prongs of concern, here.

There is one region that made the difference during the last Korean war - and if I were North Korea, I'd be very intent on disabling it. Pusan. The Pusan harbors have practically 90% of the harbor assets in Korea. I'll borrow from a naval series author and say that it would be quite an enterprising plan for North Korea to send one of their subs into Pusan's harbor districts and detonate a nuke.

That would force a re-think of our favored contingencies.

There's a second concern. That carrier moving in to provide support. There's almost no way to avoid moving a carrier into a region where antisubmarine warfare is 'substantially less than ideal.' Those diesel subs run quiet when they want to - and keeping an effective picket to protect a carrier is going to be difficult.

This is something I could see China subtly encouraging North Korea to try.

Or the other option. Take that nuclear warhead in close proximity to the carrier....

It's relatively unlikely - but it would be something I'd be intent on keeping an eye out for.

It wouldn't change the reality of the ground war, much - but it would be a bloodied nose that would make headlines around the world.

In conclusion. While the North will be routed and ravaged in a month they will most likely actually manage to get some ground on the South before we completely manhandle them.

Honestly, I think South Korea has much of the coming fight. But I'd fight, bleed, and die by those guys any day of the week. I've got some old friends there... never understood a word they said - but we are on the same team and shared meals together (and a bit of drunken Korean kareoke... you'll understand if you ever go there). I think they've got it - but we can come in for super-roflstomp action if it's needed.

Just my two cents oh and P.S...YAY DEPLOYMENT!!!

Actually - I'm kind of hoping my unit gets activated to go deal with this. I loved the hell out of that place when I was there.

Sure - the UAE paid well and was kind of neat... but I kind of consider South Korea a place that feels like home (not surprising, considering I'm an Ozark boy).

It's not likely - considering we're winding down and preparing for a merger with the Riverines into CORIVRON - but, you know. I might have to see if there are any IAs to support it.

 

[Ubik]

Get Dennis Rodman on dat shit.

For all we know he started the whole thing U_U