[Katon] Noni-senpai teaches Zanithe Katon

[Zanithe]

I read it and understood it, senpai. ^^

 

[Noni]

- Explanation and analyzes on the different kind of forms for the element. (Ash, Gas, etc)

Can you give me any idea of explanation of this by looking at it? Note, the better you understand the quicker the training. Only elemental forms in fire is ash and gas.

 

[Zanithe]

Ash, is what's left after something is burned. When you throw ash, you can incinerate it with fire. Ash is also good for distracting, ie blocking their sight. That's why its still categorized as Fire Release.

Gas is also under Fire. After throwing gas, you can use fire to incinerate it, making a fire xD. I think Gas is better to use than ash, as Gas is more free flowing than ash.

So, both somehow incinerate fire. That's what I can explain, senpai.

 

[Noni]

Ash, is what's left after something is burned. When you throw ash, you can incinerate it with fire. Ash is also good for distracting, ie blocking their sight. That's why its still categorized as Fire Release.

We will start with ash and move along from there. Using you're own wording, you are very correct ash is what is left after something is finished burning, however that is not as important in the canon usage. Ash has a greyish color to it, now the ash usually has two components to it. It can be very corrosive, as in if it touches the opponent, not only would it burn him badly but skin him depending on how fast the technique of ash is moving. The second part is its explosive capability, if I set a source of ash on fire, it will explode immensely. However the explosion is almost like a projectile, it is out of your control so be sure to keep a safe distance from explosive ash. Ash can also make breathing difficult and harm the eyes and vital facial areas of the opponent. Ash can be a great tool to use for tactical planning or straight up warfare. Common misconception is ash is treated different from normal fire, it has the same elemental weaknesses and strengths, however combining it can be a little bit more iffy. A combo with lightning can be good but also dangerous as I said before. Ash is also something to expand upon when it comes to making customs.

(I do not recommend a person to create Customs until they become more enhance with canon, so be a master of canon before with customs, just my own tip though.)

Now tell me if you have any questions first. DON'T hesitate to ask

 

[Zanithe]

(Thanks for the tip, really needed it ^^)

No questions senpai. You can continue.

 

[Noni]

Gas is also under Fire. After throwing gas, you can use fire to incinerate it, making a fire xD. I think Gas is better to use than ash, as Gas is more free flowing than ash.

I have a question to ask you before I explain and discuss. What exactly mean Gas is more free flowing than ash? Please explain this, that way when I get to discussing I can deduce this much better <_<.

 

[Zanithe]

I have a question to ask you before I explain and discuss. What exactly mean Gas is more free flowing than ash? Please explain this, that way when I get to discussing I can deduce this much better <_<.

Um, gas is somehow like wind, while ash is a little more solid. So, I concluded that gas (wind) is faster and more free flowing than ash (a little solid) This is just a thought though.

 

[Noni]

I personally like ash over gas but you are entitled to an opinion, just a little mislead though. Anyway lets deduce this through you're wordings and we go on from there.

Um, gas is somehow like wind, while ash is a little more solid. So, I concluded that gas (wind) is faster and more free flowing than ash (a little solid) This is just a thought though.

Gas can be categorized as a wind substance almost, I mean wind is considered a flow of gases in the atmosphere, so you are very correct in that assessment. It has a much more free-flowing movement and very light. However, when it comes to speed, or when it comes to releasing faster, our RP is placed under specific rules when it comes to speed. I'm guessing you forgot about what I wrote in page one, didn't you? Let me c/p it here.

- Time Frame
- Speed Chart
- And elemental nature, however this is extremely limited and lenient. Some elements are considered quicker then others, however Time Frame and speed chart are the two main basis and those two takes priority in a fight.

Now realize, ash and fire are of the same nature which is fire. There is no speed chart associated with them either in the canon list, so we have to go with time frame. If I send as gas technique at a an opponent, it will get to him just as fast as if I was to send an ash technique. Ash is much more abrasive and dense, gas is free-flowing and light, but the overall movement and time it takes to get from point A to point B is most the time the case. Always remember this, so speed wise, gas is just as fast as ash when traveling so that case is null. Some cases might be different that changes the speed of travel and release (hand seals, combo with other elements, etc) however that is the basis and is something you should always remember. Now enough with the battle training <_< time to deduce gas.

We gonna make this as simple as we can. Gas is flammable, can appear out of earth structures (if used with customs, the canon jutsus does not have this), or out of the body. Gas has no real application for offense, at least not on par with ash. Gas can suffocate the opponent if there is a high amount (like ash however) because breathing in flammable gas is never a good idea. It is mainly for tactical uses, its not much more to it for gas. Any questions z.z? Before I give you an assignment u_u

 

[Zanithe]

No questions sir, you may proceed.

 

[Noni]

Took you 3 minutes to read all of that?

 

[Zanithe]

Took you 3 minutes to read all of that?

Yes sir, I promise!!

 

[Noni]

LOL, I just want to be sure. Anyway, here are some questions I'm gonna ask you to be sure.

Does ash and gas have the same elemental weakness and strength compared to regular fire?
What is the difference between corrosive and explosive ash (some ash techs might have both application, but I want the specific difference)?
What are the most common areas fire is released?

Just three questions, lets see how ya do

 

[Zanithe]

Does ash and gas have the same elemental weakness and strength compared to regular fire?

Yes, because ash and gas are also under fire.

What is the difference between corrosive and explosive ash (some ash techs might have both application, but I want the specific difference)?

Corrosive is the kind of ash that burns the opponent. So, if the corrosive ash touches the opponent it would burn him or damage his skin badly. It's kind of destructible than explosive.
Explosive is the kind of ash that, explodes. When I incinerate explosive ash with fire, it explodes. Somehow the fire is out of your control, much like a projectile.
Maybe corrosive is better than explosive. Corrosive "destroys", while explosive still needs the need of a fire jutsu to incinerate. Meaning corrosive only takes one move while explosive takes two.

What are the most common areas fire is released?

Fire is released at the user's lungs to the mouth most likely. Some are also released from the hands.

 

[Noni]

Yes, because ash and gas are also under fire.

Correct

Corrosive is the kind of ash that burns the opponent. So, if the corrosive ash touches the opponent it would burn him or damage his skin badly. It's kind of destructible than explosive.
Explosive is the kind of ash that, explodes. When I incinerate explosive ash with fire, it explodes. Somehow the fire is out of your control, much like a projectile.
Maybe corrosive is better than explosive. Corrosive "destroys", while explosive still needs the need of a fire jutsu to incinerate. Meaning corrosive only takes one move while explosive takes two.

Watch out for them explosions <_<, the canon jutsu used with ash is luckily considered both corrosive and explosive. However, when you get to making customs, you can differentiate and make some nice ideas. I personally like explosive ash, since they to can be considered quite hot and deliver second to third degree burns. Corrosive ash can literally skin the opponent though but it does work well with earth and metal objects. Depends on the preferences, again, save those amazing ideas ;_; #Customs4Life

Fire is released at the user's lungs to the mouth most likely. Some are also released from the hands.

Mouth, body limbs, and in some cases out of the ground (rising pillars of fire techniques)

ANYWAY I'd give you a pass You mastered fire...

Spoiler

Is what you wish I would say pssha, next task!

Pick which one of the two choices I present to you, to start with.

Elemental interaction-Combos
Elemental interactions-Counters (Yes there is an advancement.)

 

[Zanithe]

I'd go with combos first, I want the best for the last xD

 

[Noni]

Alright, so looking at fire, what elements in your opinion can combine well with fire? Note even fire can combine with other fire techniques, like sending fire techniques at a flammable gas, but we ain't gonna dive into that cause its pointless and extremely limited while being obvious at the same time.

Fire+Wind
Fire+Water
Fire+Earth
Fire+Lightning

Here is the official task. Number which one 1-4 (1 being best) you think is best element to combine with fire. THERE IS NO WRONG ANSWER! This is opinion based, tell me why you think that is the best combo. Also, yes. Each of those elements can combine and create cool effects.

 

[Zanithe]

I always imagined combinations xD

1--Fire + Wind. So, if I use wind with fire, the fire becomes stronger. I'd think like a tornado with fire mixed with it xD
2--Fire + Lightning. So I use Lightning to shock them and burn them too. *evil laugh*
3--Fire + Water. Though they are not perfect, I think it's good. It sounds and looks cool. Not the best though.
4--Fire + Earth. I don't know but I don't see any combinations with these two ._. I can't imagine any combinations with earth, because its the most solid.

 

[Noni]

I always imagined combinations xD

O goodness that totally shows with the high detailed explanation and description you just gave me. #SenpaiSoProud

1--Fire + Wind. So, if I use wind with fire, the fire becomes stronger. I'd think like a tornado with fire mixed with it xD

I love burning tornadoes.

2--Fire + Lightning. So I use Lightning to shock them and burn them too. *evil laugh*

Hmmm, that laugh did scare me.

3--Fire + Water. Though they are not perfect, I think it's good. It sounds and looks cool. Not the best though.

Yeah but can you tell me how they react o-o?

4--Fire + Earth. I don't know but I don't see any combinations with these two ._. I can't imagine any combinations with earth, because its the most solid.

Cause, earth melts, fire burns, lava is melted rock that has been burned. AKa Pseudo-lava.

Anyway, I'm joking, this is your opinion. So now with the opinion, we will discuss each one, one after the other :| However due to your explanation, you seem to have some difficulty.

Please go and read this thread. Both Posts.

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After you have done that, we will talk about how each of those combos you just presented to me, react to one another and the different effects. We will start with what you considered first and then move down.

 

[Zanithe]

That was a lot of math ._.

About #3, Fire + Water is not the best because the water can overcome the fire. The fire might die and, bye bye combination.

 

[Noni]

Hmm interesting observation, it is common, however they can be combined really well if done correctly

so with those combos, we will start with fire + wind.

Now when looking at it, this is probably the most simple of all the combos. When fire is released by releasing a certain amount of wind towards the fire, two things occur.
1. The fire picks up speed due to the wind pushing it forward
2. The fire increases in size and power, because it consumes the wind, feeding from it.

The same is vice versa, so even if you used a wind technique first, then used a fire technique the same effects of those two will occur. That is overall the most basic of reactions between the two, the fire consumes it and feeds on it, increasing size. Think of it like this, get a skinny kid and feed him nothing but junk food, he will get huge and bloated over time. Now that is a small and more real life orientated comparison, but you see where I'm getting at. Wind is the food, fire is the kid.

Now the question also comes up...what happens with the fire? Nothing. All that happens is the fire maintains its basic elemental weakness and strengths, as well as power and defensive abilities. It is just a bigger, more stronger fire. Hence why I dislike this combo, wayyy to singular and not much to really go on, ya feel me kid? Also, realize this small fact, the fire will most of the time act to retain the shape of the wind, if it is sent at it. When done vice versa, the fire simply increases. This includes techniques that retain certain shapes and characteristics. Most of the time. So since I explained it, here is the scenarios I will present to you and you will tell me what will happen.

Ninja 1- Spews a fireball at the opponent (B-Rank), then releases a gust of wind (B-Rank) right behind the fireball which makes contact with it.

What happens to the fireball when it comes to size?
What rank does the fireball retain after wind comes into contact with it?
What Elements is the fireball now strong and weak against? (Just basic 5)
Does it move in the same trajectory and does it move further?

Ninja 2- Here, the ninja releases a tornado made of pure wind that moved along the ground. Then he spews a stream of fire towards the tornado which makes contact with it. Both are A-Rank.

What rank does the tornado retain now?
What happens to the tornado's shape and size?
What elements is the tornado weak and strong against? (Just basic 5)
Does the tornado move the same way as it did before?

Hints- Look back at my writing to help with the answers. Don't feel scared to ask questions. These are basic questions so feel free to improvise if you feel something is off, or tell me through a post and I will make it clear. I just want to know the basics .