Noah's Ark

[kofro]

I know its long, but I would appreciate it if you took the time to read through

Hey guys, I just wanted to clear up something about Noah's Ark and how it looks impossible to the evolutionary standpoint. Personally, I'm leaning toward believing in evolution, but that doesn't stop me from believing Noah's Ark was a real thing. Heres some reasons why.

There were 3 requirements for Noah's Ark that God gave:
1. Air-breathing animals.
2. Terrestrial Animals
3. Of the same biblical kind.
At the most basic level, Christians believe in the evolution concerning species. So on the Ark, there were only air-breathing land animals of one 'kind'. So nowhere near "all" of the animals boarded the ship. So only one type of lizard, one type of horse, one type of whatever.

Also, there are some counterarguments dealing with fossil formation and how it all doesn't make sense because if a flood were to happen then all animals that were living on land were to die at once and all of their fossils would be together. But I think I at least some kind of answer to that.

-In the bible, Noah's ark happened before the tower of babel. And in the bible, the Tower of babel is the event that allowed humans to start different cultures and languages and allowed them to spread out into different parts of the world. Therefore, during Noah's time, before the tower of babel, humans were confined into one specific region. And so when God wiped everything out with a flood, the flood was confined to one area, not globally. And one verse that COULD help support that is a verse from Psalms 104:

"7 But at your rebuke the waters fled, at the sound of your thunder they took to flight; 8 they flowed over the mountains, they went down into the valleys, to the place you assigned for them 9 You set a boundary they cannot cross; never again will they cover the earth."

This is known as the creation Psalms, and describes the events in Genesis of the period of creation, and it says that God created boundaries for waters to never cover the earth again after its complete creation.

If you want to know my viewpoints about the "7 days of creation" please let me know. Until then, enjoy this post!! Thanks

 

[HashiraMadara]

Noah never existed, possibility exist that even David never existed as well (debated). Archaeological it was after Solomon were records starting show any existence of the "Hebrew" meanwhile in South African caves my ancestors were drawing dances, fights and rituals on caves as art.


On serious note: Humans are less tha 2 million years old. So if 1 type of terrestrial animal each was sent onto the Ark, then how did such few animal spring into such alaborate, wildly different species.

e.g

* Komodo dragon and a common lizard or bearded dragon :sdo: There are millions of years of differences in these animal's evolutions respectively. Komodo evolved to survive and coexist with lethal bacteria on it mouth that could cripple any lizard to death. How in the world would that be possible in 2 million years :sdo:

* How big was This Ark???? It rested on top of a mountain after the flood... Nothing as such was ever recorded being sited outside Middle eastern scripted books...

 

[Callypigia]

I am very skeptical of all of it. The Old Testament is one of the oldest records of history that we have, but it's accuracy is highly suspect. Most of those stories predate recorded history by thousands of years; thus they were passed down by word-of-mouth. That is not a reliable source. There seems to be some rudimentary basis in many of these old stories (i.e., every culture has a story of a great flood, and there is some archaeological evidence due to melting of polar ice caps 10,000 years ago), but it does not make sense to take details as historic fact.

 

[Marin]

I am very skeptical of all of it. The Old Testament is one of the oldest records of history that we have, but it's accuracy is highly suspect. Most of those stories predate recorded history by thousands of years; thus they were passed down by word-of-mouth. That is not a reliable source. There seems to be some rudimentary basis in many of these old stories (i.e., every culture has a story of a great flood, and there is some archaeological evidence due to melting of polar ice caps 10,000 years ago), but it does not make sense to take details as historic fact.

Indeed, I'd prefer to look at these Genesis stories from a more theological point of view rather than seeing them as accurate historical depictions. If not reason alone, divine providence would entail this.

OT: Or we could simply say the flood covered all the known world which would translate to an accesible area to the nomads who witnessed it thus making it possible for Noah and the co to gather around all the animals known to them and board them on a ship which could hypothetically be built as humanity has made crazier things over the course of history.

 

[kofro]

Noah never existed, possibility exist that even David never existed as well (debated). Archaeological it was after Solomon were records starting show any existence of the "Hebrew" meanwhile in South African caves my ancestors were drawing dances, fights and rituals on caves as art.


On serious note: Humans are less tha 2 million years old. So if 1 type of terrestrial animal each was sent onto the Ark, then how did such few animal spring into such alaborate, wildly different species.

e.g

* Komodo dragon and a common lizard or bearded dragon :sdo: There are millions of years of differences in these animal's evolutions respectively. Komodo evolved to survive and coexist with lethal bacteria on it mouth that could cripple any lizard to death. How in the world would that be possible in 2 million years :sdo:

* How big was This Ark???? It rested on top of a mountain after the flood... Nothing as such was ever recorded being sited outside Middle eastern scripted books...

If you look at my post carefully, you could see that the first topic regarding species evolution and the second topic regarding a localized flood are on two totally different tangents. If the first doesn't work, the second still is viable.

How do you know that Noah never existed? The time skip from the old testament and new testament isn't clear, so there would be no way to guarantee someone's life at the time. So what, Solomon was real but Noah wasn't? They decided to write about fictional characters and real characters at the same time?

Yeah, humans are less than 2 million years old, but all the genetic material in one kind of animal is present, and from there on, gene isolation could have started. It doesn't take much for one animal to look differently after some time. And in the problem of the millions of years of evolution, I believe that the world wasn't created in 7 days, because in ancient hebrew there was only a word for "period of time" instead of days. So yes, the komodo dragon could have millions of years of evolution and diversity, but those diverse traits could be retained and diversify even more after the flood.

How big was this ark? The answer is right there in the bible. And actually, there were some reports about there being wooden beams inside a mountain top in the middle east you should check that out.

 

[kofro]

I am very skeptical of all of it. The Old Testament is one of the oldest records of history that we have, but it's accuracy is highly suspect. Most of those stories predate recorded history by thousands of years; thus they were passed down by word-of-mouth. That is not a reliable source. There seems to be some rudimentary basis in many of these old stories (i.e., every culture has a story of a great flood, and there is some archaeological evidence due to melting of polar ice caps 10,000 years ago), but it does not make sense to take details as historic fact.

In the case of accuracy, that is why you should study about these facts more than just the bible. for me, I honestly believe the 7 days of creation is just a translation of the evolution of the entire universe. And the books of the old testament, no one knows the writers, but they were written down instead of being passed down by word. As in the new testament, Jesus always refers back to the "scriptures" of the old testament, meaning that they were written down.

 

[kofro]

Indeed, I'd prefer to look at these Genesis stories from a more theological point of view rather than seeing them as accurate historical depictions. If not reason alone, divine providence would entail this.

OT: Or we could simply say the flood covered all the known world which would translate to an accesible area to the nomads who witnessed it thus making it possible for Noah and the co to gather around all the animals known to them and board them on a ship which could hypothetically be built as humanity has made crazier things over the course of history.

Yeah thats what i mean. Back then humans were only confined to a certain region. Not the entire world. So the flood only killed off the area with humanity. But on the topic of animals, thats a good point. Some animals could have survived, but they were able to save the ones that were in the proximity of the known world.

And yes, I don't think the 7 days of creation were actual seven days. Ancient hebrew language did not have a word for days but instead had a word that meant "period of time"

 

[Flakez]

Enjoy.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Yeah thats what i mean. Back then humans were only confined to a certain region. Not the entire world. So the flood only killed off the area with humanity. But on the topic of animals, thats a good point. Some animals could have survived, but they were able to save the ones that were in the proximity of the known world.

And yes, I don't think the 7 days of creation were actual seven days. Ancient hebrew language did not have a word for days but instead had a word that meant "period of time"

Why are you bringing up the 7 days all the time? No one else is.

Even if the days aren't literal periods of 24 hours, it's an impossible timeline. Most popular example being creating the light on day 1 and the sun on day 4.

 

[Jinrou]

Good thread. I believe you're questioning if the flooding of the whole world is logically possible?

I'm not sure on the details as I've only glanced through articles but I believe there us strong evidence Earth started out as a super continent and only started breaking apart after some time? If it was still a super continent or at the very least at the early stages of its division into subcontinents, isn't a flooding actually possible all over the world when you consider it could have still been a super continent? Especially when you consider it's stated it rained heavily for 40 days and nights?

 

[HashiraMadara]

How do you know that Noah never existed? The time skip from the old testament and new testament isn't clear, so there would be no way to guarantee someone's life at the time. So what, Solomon was real but Noah wasn't? They decided to write about fictional characters and real characters at the same time?

[COLOR="#FF000"]Noah never existed because only Hebrew script speak of him nothing else. He doesn't even a location in the current map referenced to him :sdo: I never said Solomon existed :sdo:, I am saying "after" him meaning after supposedly his lies(that he existed), were the Hebrews traceable [/COLOR]

Yeah, humans are less than 2 million years old, but all the genetic material in one kind of animal is present, and from there on, gene isolation could have started. It doesn't take much for one animal to look differently after some time. And in the problem of the millions of years of evolution, I believe that the world wasn't created in 7 days, because in ancient hebrew there was only a word for "period of time" instead of days. So yes, the komodo dragon could have millions of years of evolution and diversity, but those diverse traits could be retained and diversify even more after the flood.

Nice Fanfic. Here I am speaking science and you're speaking pseudo science right now. If such was true, how do you explain beetles?? The most successful animal in the world?
In the amazon alone there are over millions of beetle species :sdo: surely that can't be formed just under 2 million years. That's equivalent of getting a new beetle species every millennia if you're counting globally which makes 0 scientific sense :sdo: (what would be forcing such evolutionary changes, environment? Is it allopatric or sympatric?)

How big was this ark? The answer is right there in the bible. And actually, there were some reports about there being wooden beams inside a mountain top in the middle east you should check that out.

You're forcing it bring me a verse with dimensions of the ark :|


2ndly what is Noah doing in the middle east? If he is an undisputed ancestor of humanity, he supposed to be an African :sdo: a sub Saharan east African :sdo:

 

[dark legion]

Haleluja Bro.

 

[HENI]

Noah's ark's flood happened to flood Atlantis

 

[Ryu Kishi]

It was prob some idiot on a boat when it was flooding and he had like his dog and cows with him it people were like "oy look it Noah on his ark" and then they told their friends and they spread the story like that :scorps: mystery solved :bouncy:

 

[chopstickchakra]

People read a story like that and try to interpret in current context. Just because we know all of the Earth today doesn't mean they did in the past and we know for a fact they didn't. So, knowing and understanding what our ancestors comprehension of how big the world truly was when things like this were written, we should be able to put it in perspective and understand when they say stuff like "The entire world was destroyed" back then, to them it was because it was all the world they knew at the time. That doesn't mean it actually effected the whole world just that it was large enough to convince them it effected the whole world.

If you lived in an area like Louisiana during Katrina but back in the situation as our ancestors(small communities in the hundreds at best, little travel for the majority of the population, fear and skepticism of neighbors leading to decreased amounts of shared information, small information gathering/sharing network compared to today) When that hurricane hit and destroyed your city you just might think everything was destroyed because that's all you knew and now it's gone.

 

[Ōkami]

That's cool and all but have you tried the real Noah's Ark?

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[kofro]

Enjoy.

You clearly didn't read my post.

 

[kofro]

Why are you bringing up the 7 days all the time? No one else is.

Even if the days aren't literal periods of 24 hours, it's an impossible timeline. Most popular example being creating the light on day 1 and the sun on day 4.

Because some people mentioned how they don't take everything literally in genesis. So i want to point that I dont either.

 

[kofro]

[COLOR="#FF000"]Noah never existed because only Hebrew script speak of him nothing else. He doesn't even a location in the current map referenced to him :sdo: I never said Solomon existed :sdo:, I am saying "after" him meaning after supposedly his lies(that he existed), were the Hebrews traceable [/COLOR]

If he was hebrew, then it would make sense only the hebrew script speaks of him... But believe what you want.


Nice Fanfic. Here I am speaking science and you're speaking pseudo science right now. If such was true, how do you explain beetles?? The most successful animal in the world?
In the amazon alone there are over millions of beetle species :sdo: surely that can't be formed just under 2 million years. That's equivalent of getting a new beetle species every millennia if you're counting globally which makes 0 scientific sense :sdo: (what would be forcing such evolutionary changes, environment? Is it allopatric or sympatric?)

Some other person replied saying that he believes that they saved the animals located in that region and that region only. so that could explain all the genetic variation.

You're forcing it bring me a verse with dimensions of the ark :|


2ndly what is Noah doing in the middle east? If he is an undisputed ancestor of humanity, he supposed to be an African :sdo: a sub Saharan east African :sdo:[/QUOTE]

If you read the bible, there were many people before Noah. Even in the bible it says that the egyptians took over the people of israel. Try to understand where I'm going with that. Egyptians and the people of israel.

 

[kofro]

Good thread. I believe you're questioning if the flooding of the whole world is logically possible?

I'm not sure on the details as I've only glanced through articles but I believe there us strong evidence Earth started out as a super continent and only started breaking apart after some time? If it was still a super continent or at the very least at the early stages of its division into subcontinents, isn't a flooding actually possible all over the world when you consider it could have still been a super continent? Especially when you consider it's stated it rained heavily for 40 days and nights?

Could be, also the bible said that the "springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened." So technically, not only did the world pour down for 40 days and nights, but basically water came from all over the place.