No one understands the Pain of loss! No one can judge the Uchiha!

[jsrhoden]

A question for all of those that dislike Sasuke and Obito and their doings in the story....

Have you ever lost someone extremely close to you? A dear young healthy family member who you couldn't even think of losing to death? How about all of them getting slaughtered by your own sibling upon orders from old ass politicians? Just think for a second...if that were to happen to you tonight....

How about the person you love the most, who's mere thoughts keep you going in tough times, how about watching that person getting stabbed through the heart by someone who had sworn to you to protect that person in exchange for your own life?


you know what....you can't put yourself in their shoes....cuz you have a perfect life, hell you've never even lost someone to an accident or disease like cancer.....you don't even know the pain of something like that....let alone having them murdered by someone....

Because you're too damn privileged in your perfect little lives, you pass judgement on people while never having experienced what they have experienced......

You say "if that were to happen to me I wouldn't do what he did", EASIER SAID THAN DONE fools! Just close your eyes and think of losing a father a mother a brother a sister to death tonight....imagine the pain you would feel....you cannot! The only way to know that pain is to experience it first hand! Which most of you wouldn't even think of doing!

No one that has ever lost someone they truly cared about can ever judge the Uchiha!!

No one that has lost anyone they truly loved, in such a way that they would give their own life for them, can ever understand the pain that Sasuke and Obito have gone through.....you have some sort of self empowering sense of judgement when you have never experienced what it feels like.....

Firstly you can't really speak for all members of the base when you call us privileged, that's a massive generalization. You have no idea who half of the people are like on this website and what their experiences are. Who are you to say that someone has a "perfect little life" because they haven't lost someone? Get real. YOU are the one with the empowering sense of judgement trying to create a warped perception of what you think people's lives are like on the Base without even knowing any of the people here.

And if you really want to go there, to answer your question "if that were to happen to me i wouldn't do what he did", NO. I would NOT go and try and destroy the whole world or a village based on the loss of one person. That is selfish and morally wrong. The ending of one persons life does not constitute the ruining of others lives for my personal gain. Thus, Sasuke and Obito's ideals are in fact flawed and unjust. For you to actually agree with them is actually quite worrying. I'm guessing that you have such a strong liking for these characters and the Uchiha Clan overall that you have somehow taken their ideals as a basis for your own moral compass.

Secondly, there are probably people on the Base who HAVE lost loved ones and still do not enjoy Sasuke and Obito's ideals. Why? Because their characters were built up to be composed, cool and badass, only for them to now have emotional changes and become "soft" as a result, paving the way for a TNJ at the end of the story. They aren't here for the message. They get the message already. Some of them are here for the story and are interested in how Kishi goes about writing it. And truth be told, Kishi has developed their characters badly.

And thirdly, the thing I dislike about posts like these. It is a manga, and some people get far too attached to it and the characters. If i have lost a loved one, sorry, but Naruto is not exactly at the top of my list for inspiration. Itachi is not a philosophical god who can provide me with guidance through my life. He is a fictional character with one or two quotes that have some insight in life. Kishi has not thought up some original philosophical concept that he has projected through his characters.

There has been a recurring theme of friendship, protecting your friends and maintaining peace in manga and anime LONG BEFORE Naruto even came to the scene, so it's pointless to act like Naruto is the absolute guide to how to live your life. In addition, there are some morals to the manga and some meaning behind it, but it is nothing that you can't find in the following:

1) Great literary texts
2) Philosophical ideas
3) Culture
4) Religion

I do not mind if people use Naruto as guidance to help them through life, that is fine. Different things work for different people. But I am against the ones who practically worship the manga and fail to see the things in real life around them that actually show them the signs.

You have failed to convince me, and by the looks of it, failed to convince others. This thread is both spoiled, arrogant, and can actually come across as offensive to some people. You really need to take a step back and think about what you're saying for a second

 

[garas56]

I am sorry friend...

My mother died when she was goin through chemotherapy for her cancer and the doctor gave her an overdose of very strong medicine which her body couldn't handle and she died.....

I was angry as well, but still, it's not the same thing as murder, it was an accident....

There is always a reason for everythinng,My greatest life lesson I learned was when I Lost.(Ironical)(when we lose we learns things when we win we just feel euphoria,Triumph Nothing more.Everyone want to be winer no one Want to be loser)

Were anyone of your family members killed by someone else?

Pain is the same,Just Reasons Are Different,bad is that the reasons haw changed us more than pain.
Pain-It's leson Of life,World and everything.(all Our life we go through the pain and We learns many things,About others,About ourselves,about life...)
Reasons of Pain-Just pushing us back to the Revenge and Hatred.

 

[Tartarus]

This ^^ is wisewe all have our own battles in life some handle better than others but lets not become keyboard warriors like this guy trying to tell us not to judg the uchiha U_U naruto had his hardships growing up and never acted all bitchy like sasuke sir

and as 90% of the ignorant fanbase seem to miss Naruto would have been just like all of his villains if just one thing went differently. Everyone missed the point of this manga. Strong people have a responsibility to understand those consumed by hatred and despair. Those who condemn others who go through the same pain without compassion ar not stronger they are merely hypocrites on a high horses.

 

[SoulKiller]

People got emotional lol drama much

This people get emotionally very easy on base he was saying of you were in sasuke place etc no need to get emotional and cry over it -.- keep it to your self you only cause drama by bringing it to the thread

 

[a banned cartoon]

He did grow up! And it's foolish to think that he's doing it because of Rin. You obviously don't understand his reason, that is what's truly pathetic here!

Obito has no faith in the current world anymore, there is too much suffering and lies, he cannot stand to live in such a world. He wants to create a perfect world where there is no loss and only happiness.

Do I agree with that? No...but I still understand him....

The way you view things is krooked. I see that with the death of your mother, and your chemotherapy that you've been through a lot. I hope that one day you too can find happiness. It's not something that's impossible to achieve. Comparing real life situations to a manga though is ridiculous. Things that would never happen in real life always happen in real life. It's very ignorant to judge people just because they don't agree with Sasuke. Trying to kill the people the never even had a say so in the murders of the Uchiha clan. Everyone in Konoha that decided that his clan needed to be exterminated is almost dead, exept for the two elders. So you think that people like Naruto, and children, and innocent civilians that aren't even ninjas of Konoha need to die. They haven't done anything that gives Sasuke the right to murder them. Yet Sasuke wants to kill them, and these are the people who care about him, and love him, that also don't know the true story behind the massacre. If he should want to kill anyone it should be Obito, who killed them only for selfish reasons As for Obito wanting to excactly revenge on the rest of the world under a Genjutsu, he has no right, and you do realize hell be putting Sasuke under this Genjutsu as well don't you. We don't even know the reasoning gehind Rin's death yet, and your naively suggesting Obito has the right to do this, and don't say this has nothing to do with Rin, because it has everything to do with her. He wants to go to his own imaginary world just so things can be perfect, and he can be with her.

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

Firstly you can't really speak for all members of the base when you call us privileged, that's a massive generalization. You have no idea who half of the people are like on this website and what their experiences are. Who are you to say that someone has a "perfect little life" because they haven't lost someone? Get real. YOU are the one with the empowering sense of judgement trying to create a warped perception of what you think people's lives are like on the Base without even knowing any of the people here.

Well, they obviously have computers and Internet, and the time to waste it on a forum, so it's not that far fetched of an assumption that most people here are better off than a lot of people in the world, I also fall into that category, thankfully.....

And if you really want to go there, to answer your question "if that were to happen to me i wouldn't do what he did", NO. I would NOT go and try and destroy the whole world or a village based on the loss of one person. That is selfish and morally wrong. The ending of one persons life does not constitute the ruining of others lives for my personal gain. Thus, Sasuke and Obito's ideals are in fact flawed and unjust. For you to actually agree with them is actually quite worrying. I'm guessing that you have such a strong liking for these characters and the Uchiha Clan overall that you have somehow taken their ideals as a basis for your own moral compass.

Who says I agree with them and what they're doing? I understand them and what they're doing, and I'm not going to sit here and call them unjustified when they are clearly the opposite. They are justified, that is their own sense of justice.

They get the message already.
Lol! That is laughable and utter non sense!

And truth be told, Kishi has developed their characters badly.

Ok...now I know you're opinion is partly bull shit!

And thirdly, the thing I dislike about posts like these. It is a manga, and some people get far too attached to it and the characters. If i have lost a loved one, sorry, but Naruto is not exactly at the top of my list for inspiration. Itachi is not a philosophical god who can provide me with guidance through my life. He is a fictional character with one or two quotes that have some insight in life. Kishi has not thought up some original philosophical concept that he has projected through his characters.

To each their own. Who's generalising now? Just because something doesn't appeal to you in the same way it does to someone else?

There has been a recurring theme of friendship, protecting your friends and maintaining peace in manga and anime LONG BEFORE Naruto even came to the scene, so it's pointless to act like Naruto is the absolute guide to how to live your life. In addition, there are some morals to the manga and some meaning behind it, but it is nothing that you can't find in the following:

1) Great literary texts
2) Philosophical ideas
3) Culture
4) Religion

Anime has been my passion since I was 8 years old, this is where I have chosen to find mine, ever since DBZ and now more than ever thanks to Kishimoto.

I do not mind if people use Naruto as guidance to help them through life, that is fine. Different things work for different people. But I am against the ones who practically worship the manga and fail to see the things in real life around them that actually show them the signs.

You lay down your opinion and then you try and weasel out of it the next minute?


You have failed to convince me, and by the looks of it, failed to convince others. This thread is both spoiled, arrogant, and can actually come across as offensive to some people. You really need to take a step back and think about what you're saying for a second

Yeah....whatever, bold is my answer

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

and as 90% of the ignorant fanbase seem to miss Naruto would have been just like all of his villains if just one thing went differently. Everyone missed the point of this manga. Strong people have a responsibility to understand those consumed by hatred and despair. Those who condemn others who go through the same pain without compassion ar not stronger they are merely hypocrites on a high horses.

Yes

 

[Tartarus]

How can you call a clan who preached love and self-sacrifice evil? the Uchihas has always been envious and bitter over the Senjus ever since the time of their ancestors. Even the sage of the six paths chose the Senju Ancestor over the Uchihas one.

The Uchiha chose Hashirama over Madara despite being their leader because they wanted peace. They even stayed loyal to konoha despite being treated like criminals for many generations. If the roles were reversed, the senju would still call themselves heroes fighting for freedom and the Uchiha would be called paranoid tyrants.

 

[NarutoBoss]

Humans are too ignorant to understand this.

IKR!!!

 

[a banned cartoon]

Yeah....whatever, bold is my answer

Kid you just lost the respect of 99%, of narutobase. Good luck making any friends, or getting a girlfriend, or boyfriend (depending on sexual preference) in life with that attitude.

 

[zinescience]

that is right.

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

The way you view things is krooked. I see that with the death of your mother, and your chemotherapy that you've been through a lot. I hope that one day you too can find happiness. It's not something that's impossible to achieve. Comparing real life situations to a manga though is ridiculous. Things that would never happen in real life always happen in real life. It's very ignorant to judge people just because they don't agree with Sasuke. Trying to kill the people the never even had a say so in the murders of the Uchiha clan. Everyone in Konoha that decided that his clan needed to be exterminated is almost dead, exept for the two elders. So you think that people like Naruto, and children, and innocent civilians that aren't even ninjas of Konoha need to die. They haven't done anything that gives Sasuke the right to murder them. Yet Sasuke wants to kill them, and these are the people who care about him, and love him, that also don't know the true story behind the massacre. If he should want to kill anyone it should be Obito, who killed them only for selfish reasons As for Obito wanting to excactly revenge on the rest of the world under a Genjutsu, he has no right, and you do realize hell be putting Sasuke under this Genjutsu as well don't you. We don't even know the reasoning gehind Rin's death yet, and your naively suggesting Obito has the right to do this, and don't say this has nothing to do with Rin, because it has everything to do with her. He wants to go to his own imaginary world just so things can be perfect, and he can be with her.

I never said he had the right, no one has the right to interfere in, or make decisions to change someone else's life, but both their actions are understandable. It is us, who are the ones without any right to question or judge their actions.

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

Kid you just lost the respect of 99%, of narutobase. Good luck making any friends, or getting a girlfriend, or boyfriend (depending on sexual preference) in life with that attitude.

Who the hell is speaking for "99%" of Narutobase now? Lol

 

[kellzfresh]

People went over the top with his comments loool... Calm down guys

 

[repulse]

First Off ... Obito Was a Kid He Couldnt Have Goten That Close with Rin , .... Like Tf .... Grandparents are more important than your little child crush ......

Regardless if he was a kid, love is a powerful emotion, and Obito cared for Rin very much. Then to lose her in front of your very eyes, killed by your best friend who you entrusted her safety to, is devastating. Haha, you say the grandparents thing as if it applies to the thought-process of a 13 year old. HA.

 

[repulse]

Manga can be classified as fiction, and fiction does use life events to create elements to a story. Well said, but you may have went over-the-top with it all.

 

[a banned cartoon]

and as 90% of the ignorant fanbase seem to miss Naruto would have been just like all of his villains if just one thing went differently. Everyone missed the point of this manga. Strong people have a responsibility to understand those consumed by hatred and despair. Those who condemn others who go through the same pain without compassion ar not stronger they are merely hypocrites on a high horses.

Looks like you missed the point most of all.

Kishimoto's aspiring, all the good things in the manga, that's why Naruto's the hero, and not Sasuke. The good things being courage, love(Naruto's love and compasion for his friends, and family), friendship(all the friends Naruto's made) never giving up(on life, or people, or becoming somebody positive), chasing dreams(Naruto being Hokage)

While Kishimoto displays all. The negative aspects of life through Sasuke, and other villains
Cowardice(becoming evil because its easier to do, than being good(being evil when wanting something or loosing somebody)) Hatred(dropping, or murdering all the people who care about you) living live for the purpose of revenge(Sasuke wanting to kill everyone)

 

[a banned cartoon]

I never said he had the right, no one has the right to interfere in, or make decisions to change someone else's life, but both their actions are understandable. It is us, who are the ones without any right to question or judge their actions.

We are the ones who can question and judge there actions, thats the point of reading a book, to read it and form an opinion. Kishimoto is trying to show people that what Sasuke's doing is wrong, and it has turned him evil. He even showed the major turning point like when he was going to have Sakura kill Karin.

 

[Kira was Righteous]

Nagato.

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

Manga can be classified as fiction, and fiction does use life events to create elements to a story. Well said, but you may have went over-the-top with it all.

I only directed this at people who have never felt the pain of losing someone close to them or someone they loved and yet they consider Sasuke and Obito to be "Emos". That's what bothers me...