No clone aid Rasengan ~explained

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Sorry man. But ur thinking of "shape manipulation" which takes precise chakra control....which naruto lacked in since the fox disripted his flow of chakra, hence him using one clone for shape and one for nature during frs training
shape manipulation is a form of chakra control as I said, but what u are thinking is just chakra control OUTSIDe the body. chakra control in general is internal.

Straight from NarutoWiki: "By having the hands of the shadow clones act as shells, Naruto and Konohamaru can complete and use the technique without using any extra time to master their chakra control. "

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Chakra manipulation is used for every technique. U manipulate your chakra. Rasengan uses shape transformation which is advanced chakra control.
It is used for techniques that require manipulation of chakra outside the body, not within the body. Again this is just EXTERNAL chakra control a sub-division of chakra control itself which is primarily INTERNAL.

Because people confuse this with general chakra control, they lazily throw around the term chakra control as Naruto's masterful shape manipulation, which is only a sub division of chakra control in general.


So yes Naruto is a master of the chakra control SUB-DIVISION that is referred to as shape manipulation, but is not a master of the basic and general definition of chakra control, which by itself is primarily internal in nature.

read this here:

Chakra Control (チャクラコントロール, chakura kontorōru) is a term that refers to the control of one's chakra and aptitude at controlling it. In Naruto, chakra takes time and a great deal of training to gradually build up. Thus, the key is not actually having chakra, but being able to sufficiently control and conserve it

Moulding chakra involves the extraction of energies from both the body's cells and the mind's consciousness, then mixing them together within the individual. The amount of each energy will differ based on the type of technique the ninja wishes to execute. In other words, a ninja could create too much or too little chakra for a given technique, resulting in the chakra being used inefficiently. In addition, even if a ninja is able to mould the correct amount of chakra, if they cannot manipulate the chakra properly, the desired technique will not be as effective or will not execute at all. Wasting energy will also create weaknesses like early exhaustion, which would hinder the ninja's capacity to fight long-term battles. General training methods for improving one's moulding and manipulation of chakra are the Leaf Concentration, Tree Climbing, and Water Walking exercises.

As an in-between stage, some ninja can partially manipulate their chakra. This means they can use their chakra, but not effectively control it, which results in a poorly executed technique, a prime example is Naruto trying to use the Academy Clone Technique.


When creating a ninjutsu, the two methods of manipulating chakra are referred to as Shape Transformation and Nature Transformation:
◾ Shape Transformation deals with controlling the form, movement, and potency of chakra.
◾ Nature Transformation usually deals with changing the physical properties of chakra into an element. There is also the Nature Transformation of Yin and Yang, which deals with changing the ratio of spiritual and physical energies within chakra.

These two methods can be implemented separately or together in order to create a technique.

The general term for the exact moulding and proper manipulation of chakra is called "chakra control". People with skilled chakra control are usually Medical-nin or Sensor-types, both of which requires extreme control over chakra to be effective. Genjutsu apparently also requires good chakra control.

Most techniques take a certain shape that is usually precisely controlled from one hand to another, through chakra. A good example of this is the Rasengan. Naruto uses one of his hands to control chakra, and moves it over the other in a circular motion, which eventually creates a sphere of pure chakra.
 
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I don't know how you can say Naruto doesn't master at internal chakra control when he was able to excel Jiraya on SM which is basically the most advanced example of precise inner chakra control, mixing in perfect harmony 3 types of chakra.
 

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Due to his uzumaki blood line he can control his chakra internally easily.. The hard part for him seems to be manipulating it externally. I remember what you are referring to because Jiraiya told him to pull his shirt up and he un-did that seal oro put on him to help him manipulate his chakra. He even told him that due to the fourths seal when he roused his chakra the nine tails chakra mixed in and thus prevented him from manipulating it. Not sure which chapter it's in but its around the time naruto learned to walk on water and learned the rasengan
 

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I don't know how you can say Naruto doesn't master at internal chakra control when he was able to excel Jiraya on SM which is basically the most advanced example of precise inner chakra control, mixing in perfect harmony 3 types of chakra.
thats chakra regulation actually. hes just making sure that he lets in the right amount of nature energy in order for it to create senjutsu.
 

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According to Jiraya 3 years is the time a ginius takes to learn Rasengan, during these 3 years Naruto actually improved the jutso to the point of actually adding an element to it. Which makes him better than Minato at it.

Its took a genius 3 years to compete basic the rasengan.
Creating a jutsu from scratch if far harder then learning one that already exists.

Also since minato died young he simply didn't have the time to meld his element with his rasengan, Unlike naruto who was able to get years worth of training done in just a few day/weeks. Take the hax clone training away and it would've taken naruto years just to learn to use his affinity, let alone meld it with rasengan.

Naruto being able to meld his wind chakra with reasengan in only 3/4 year of learning it wasn't down to pure skill/talent it was due to his Hax chakra and him being able to get an insane amount of training/experience in short time period.
 
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