Ninjas using ninja tools

[lndra]

Anyone else kinda bothered by the fact that people are complaining about ninja tools being relevant, in this Arc especially?

Like for some strange reason, if your using ninja tools, it means you aren't a ninja. But didn't the Manga already explain to the narrative that it's how you use the tool, rather than the tool itself being the problem?

For example how they explained that Boruto's misuse of the Kote device was wrong, because he used it in the Chunin Examinations. Yet outside of battle, if you were to use the Kote device now, it probably would be shrugged off.

I mean we are already seeing ninjas relying on the devices, like Ao:

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Boruto was taken out like a fly with ninjutsu, and

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I mean let's be honest, so far the ninja tools while are screwing them over, are still

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I think this says it best. I don't necessarily see the problem with ninjas in particular relying on these devices to help the situation, even more so when the people they are combating are abusing the devices.

I mean we've already seen what happened to Team Konohamaru before Ao appeared VS. the puppets, and they were getting wrecked until Katasuke depleted them.

Unless I'm mistaken Boruto, Sarada, Mitsuki, and Konohamaru abusing the same tools should be the most logical choice of action. Otherwise it'll just be a repeat of the recent chapter.

What do you think?

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

From fictional characters point of view they are great and should be used in future.

From us readers point of view is really boring so they should stop with this technology nonsense.

 

[Brady]

I told you people this next generation was a disaster. Without Kishimoto, they can't recapture the magic. Are there even any arcs going on because it just seems like directionless episodes?

 

[lndra]

I told you people this next generation was a disaster. Without Kishimoto, they can't recapture the magic. Are there even any arcs going on because it just seems like directionless episodes?

From fictional characters point of view they are great and should be used in future.

From us readers point of view is really boring so they should stop with this technology nonsense.

I understand both sides.

People want the series to stick to the roots, but it wouldn't be that different from Naruto then. It would just be regular ninja matches and occasional hacks, which is great. But if didn't spice anything up to make it different, even if we don't necessarily agree with technology being rampant in Naruto. It's not like the series lost its lore on that part a while ago, with chakra megazords, chakra modes, and giant chakra balls instead of kunai matches, CQC, and basic elemental releases.

There's a mixture of these both. As long as the technology doesn't consistently play a part in every major fight, I'm down. I think for Ao specifically they need ninja tools to fight him.

 

[Vulpini]

I don't mind about the tools as long as they are caracterized on the right manner, without deviating too much from the plot.

It would be plain boring to see people just spamming jutsu with a scientific tool. They need to do it properly and I'll be okay with it.

 

[lndra]

I don't mind about the tools as long as they are caracterized on the right manner, without deviating too much from the plot.

It would be plain boring to see people just spamming jutsu with a scientific tool. They need to do it properly and I'll be okay with it.

I think for the centric Arc, ninja tools are the focus. Because they already showed them getting stomped without utilizing tools efficiently, they'll need to rely on them more to take down Ao.

But I don't necessarily see ninja tools playing a gigantic role in terms of plain ninja battles. I expect to see the healing sprays effective, the flash grenade is useful as heck, and even Boruto's sabre could pop in now and again.

Though I don't expect to see them becoming like Ao, where they start becoming miniature robots. Not for a long time anyway. I do fear that ninjas themselves will lose meaning with the tool usage, one day.

But not this early on.

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

I understand both sides.

People want the series to stick to the roots, but it wouldn't be that different from Naruto then. It would just be regular ninja matches and occasional hacks, which is great. But if didn't spice anything up to make it different, even if we don't necessarily agree with technology being rampant in Naruto. It's not like the series lost its lore on that part a while ago, with chakra megazords, chakra modes, and giant chakra balls instead of kunai matches, CQC, and basic elemental releases.

There's a mixture of these both. As long as the technology doesn't consistently play a part in every major fight, I'm down. I think for Ao specifically they need ninja tools to fight him.

And you think just throwing in technology will instantly make Boruto different?

 

[lndra]

And you think just throwing in technology will instantly make Boruto different?

Yeah I mean Naruto was hardly technologically centered, nor did it effect the plot.

Whereas Boruto feels more like modern science mixed with sci fi magic.

 

[AllKnowingShinobi]

Its not a matter of ninjas that use ninja tool makes them less of a ninja. Like any ninja tool(do jutsu, summoning weapons) is based on the user.

Yes the new tools allows even the normal weak man to become usefully agiasnt a jonin lvl cyborg. But was still easyd defeated but the tool are to equal the playing field.

 

[Dreckerplayer]

Anyone else kinda bothered by the fact that people are complaining about ninja tools being relevant, in this Arc especially?

Like for some strange reason, if your using ninja tools, it means you aren't a ninja. But didn't the Manga already explain to the narrative that it's how you use the tool, rather than the tool itself being the problem?

For example how they explained that Boruto's misuse of the Kote device was wrong, because he used it in the Chunin Examinations. Yet outside of battle, if you were to use the Kote device now, it probably would be shrugged off.

I mean we are already seeing ninjas relying on the devices, like Ao:

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Mind you only ninja tools were countering the ninja tools.

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Boruto was taken out like a fly with ninjutsu, and

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because the situation was

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I mean let's be honest, so far the ninja tools while are screwing them over, are still

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I think this says it best. I don't necessarily see the problem with ninjas in particular relying on these devices to help the situation, even more so when the people they are combating are abusing the devices.

I mean we've already seen what happened to Team Konohamaru before Ao appeared VS. the puppets, and they were getting wrecked until Katasuke depleted them.

Unless I'm mistaken Boruto, Sarada, Mitsuki, and Konohamaru abusing the same tools should be the most logical choice of action. Otherwise it'll just be a repeat of the recent chapter.

What do you think?

I'm not AGAINST the idea of using advanced ninja tools, it's the over dependancy that takes away the essence of what being a ninja is.

For instance,

Sure, boruto using a chakra saber that utilizes his own chakra and using that chakra absorbtion glove to absorb chakra is fine. But, there gets to a POINT where it goes too far.

I like action, I like when they use their OWN jutsu, with or without handsigns...i feel like premade jutsu or technology that produces jutsu takes AWAY, it's a subtraction.

It becomes dumb if you take away ALL the responsibility away from the ninja. A chakra saber, that uses your own chakra, is fine...absorbing chakra if you can't already, is also fine.As long as it serves a bigger purpose.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Well initially I was kinda against the guns mainly, but the implementation of the tech hasn’t been bad, and ao’s chest cannon shows there’s plenty of tech up their sleeve(the writers) that’s still very ninja like, so it’s a plus in my book

 

[Joshutsu]

I'm not saying they shouldn't use them if that's the only thing making them any good against them.

I just don't like that this was introduced into the show, it should just have been like before. Fighting with ninjutsu and reaching chakra limits and so on.

I also think it's stupid a machine is keeping up with the likes of Konohamaru, or implying ninja who are even kage level and up can be challenged truly by them in theory. It just didn't have a place for me, i can't defend it's incorporation.

But if you're enjoying Naruto's version of Dr.Gero I can't tell you not to

 

[To Whatever]

I wanna see cyborg ninjas.

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Casting jutsu, using cloaking devices and radars.


A clash of shinobi vs technology or a fusion of tech and traditional means.​

 

[The Paradox]

I get the reason as to why they went in this direction. It's to show that the ninja world has progressed with the normal world.. which has seen a huge jump in tech since Naruto's gen. It's to also give the manga a different plot compared to Naruto's. It's a different story, it's just set in the same universe.

However, I also get why many of the readers are opposed. Being a ninja was something special, not everyone could be a ninja and those that could be one had to work very hard to be considered worthy of the title. The fact that just a nobody with no ability to be a ninja could use ninjutsu now.. just makes the whole training process obsolete. It just feels wrong to the audience. However, as stated, maybe this is to show that the age of shinobi is over?

Also side theory (mostly just fanfic). No one needs to read it as it's a bit much lmao:
I mean, even in this peaceful time you have organizations like Kara, bandits, and other rogues running in the underground. There's always going to be some form of evil in the world, but all the current evil is still connected to the shinobi era. Sasuke was right about the shinobi era needing to be changed, or ended. Shinobi evil won't cease until the shinobi era does. That's why everything is so dystopian in the time skip. Society itself will have to rebuild.. and possibly into something totally different than what we saw in Naruto and even this part of Boruto. Instead of focusing on just shinobi, it will shift to all of humanity. All of the jutsu will just become either tools, or hobbies. Monuments and memorials will be built, maybe even museums so the culture of shinobi won't be forgotten. It will become more of a democratic era. The only threat would be regular crime and maybe the remainder of Otsutsuki (aliens). Sarada will be leading this future, with Shikadai as her advisor. I have a feeling it's Mitsuki who will become some sort of galactic traveler, while Boruto stays on Earth in close contact with him to prevent any other alien clans from attacking. (either that or the roles could be reversed) They will work together to protect Earth from the shadows.

Sorry just thought I'd throw this out there. I've had way too much coffee.

 

[NextGenNinja]

It's fair tbh.

 

[Glad Of War]

I'm not saying they shouldn't use them if that's the only thing making them any good against them.

I just don't like that this was introduced into the show, it should just have been like before. Fighting with ninjutsu and reaching chakra limits and so on.

I also think it's stupid a machine is keeping up with the likes of Konohamaru, or implying ninja who are even kage level and up can be challenged truly by them in theory. It just didn't have a place for me, i can't defend it's incorporation.

But if you're enjoying Naruto's version of Dr.Gero I can't tell you not to

At BOLD, when was that suggested?
If you're using Konohamaru as the basis; he's not Kage level.

 

[salamander uchiha]

I don't mind about the tools as long as they are caracterized on the right manner, without deviating too much from the plot.

It would be plain boring to see people just spamming jutsu with a scientific tool. They need to do it properly and I'll be okay with it.

I agree with this, I have no problem it auxiliary tools either, they had flash bombs now they have flash grenades. They had swords now they have chakra swords these kind of tools are acceptable. Even the healing spray is cool ninja won't need medics on the team and they'd be able to be more focused on other skills etc.

The objections I have the same as you it's improper introduction.

What rustled me was Clone gets no diffed and told to go back to Konoha. Clone gives his speech and then picks up the tools while cheer leader Konohamaru, Sarada and Mitsuki just stand there smiling. Konohamaru just stood there instead of put his foot down like a real team leader and send him back to Konoha along with the others. That is if they even go back now.

 

[Greatness23]

anyone else think that sasuke will ultimately be the man to beat because of his rinnegan abilities or visual prowess in general? all this jutsu absorption got me thinkin bout sauce and shizz

 

[Belserion]

I have no problems with ninja tools being introduced. I just don't like the pacing they went from the koto device to all kind of weird stuff.

 

[123fire]

I told you people this next generation was a disaster. Without Kishimoto, they can't recapture the magic. Are there even any arcs going on because it just seems like directionless episodes?

You're obviously not reading the manga. Indra is talking about the manga not the anime. Go read it bro . It's strightforward

OT: people who are not liking ninja tech are hypocrites. Like what's the prob wit it i don't see that...