Ninja Ranks: Yay or Nay

[The Amazing Kaguya]

I was thinking about the ninja rank structure and concluded that it is bunk. The way ranks are assigned (at least in the Leaf), is dumb and it doesn't mesh with the reality of the Shinobi World.

Look at shinobi who have no rank.

Deidara
Bee
Danzo
Hanzo
Ame Orphans: Nagato, Yahiko, Konan
Hidan
Gari
Kinkaku and Ginkaku
Haku
Kimimaro
Madara (but he's from a time before ranks and is special)
The Jins Han, Roshi, Utakata


You look at how dangerous they are, compare them to shinobi who have high ranks, and you conclude that ranks are arbitrary titles, that don't confer skill or aptitude.

Recall that Oro, Jiraiya and Tsunade fought together as Jonins against Hanzo (who has no rank) and they couldn't beat him. Even working together. Hanzo gave them the title Sannin (Legendary Three) as a reward for their accomplishment of not dying against him.



You have people with ranks, who have skills way beyond their class. Namely Naruto and Kabuto. We know what Naruto is capable of. It bears reminding people that Part 1, Genin Kabuto killed several ANBU no diff, out-smarted Kakashi and nearly killed Jonin Shizune and Jonin Tsunade in single combat.


Obito is technically a Chunin, but half is body is white zetsu, and most of what Obito does (spam kamui and his large katons) are products of the Hashi cells reducing the degenerative effects of Kamui and boosting his chakra. Obito still clashed with Minato and controlled Kurama, so that's something.



So, do ninja ranks really matter or is it more about what a ninja can actually do?

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

<div class="bbWrapper">The root have their own ranking system (as stated by Sai) &amp; missing nin is a rank or status. Missing nins have to be at least jonin or kage lvl anyway or ekse they get hunted down and killed by their old village due to keeping secrets or by bounty hunters for...well...bounty.<br /> <br /> Jins can get ranks if they progress like every other shinobi. 3 tails mizukage for example. Hanzo was his own leader and government btw. He didn't use the village ranking system, it seems.<br /> <br /> Ame orphans can't have a rank if their country is in ruin as there was no one true government. Akatsuki are assumed kage lvl anyway. <b>You need to be in the system to get a rank.</b> <br /> <br /> We also never looked into some of the aforementioned characters history as a ninja.<br /> <br /> System is wank though. Having said that. It was established for a reason and was part of the villages evolution so it's useful for assigning missions within the village system. Ninja are assessed, mission difficulty is assessed and they are assigned accordingly. It's better for organization. The kage would know mentally who is genin lvl and not to send them on a jonin lvl most of the time. The system just keeps track of it all.</div>

 

[The Amazing Kaguya]

The root have their own ranking system & missing nin is a rank or status.

Jins can get ranks if they progress like every other shinobi. 3 tails mizukage for example.

Ame orphans can't have a rank if their country is in ruin as there was no one true government. Akatsuki are assumed kage lvl anyway. You need to be in the system to get a rank.

We also never looked into some of the aforementioned characters history as a ninja.

System is wank though.

With Missing Nins and Akatsuki, most were Jonin/S-Rank before leaving their village.

Itachi was an Anbu Captain. The same way that Yamato is an Anbu Captain. Yamato is acknowledged as a Jonin.

Sasori, Kisame, Zabuza, and Orochimaru were all Jonin before they left their villages.

Kakuzu is from the Waterfall village, and was alive during Hashirama, Ginkaku +Kinkaku era. He probably doesn't have rank of he's been gone as long as he says. Plus his village is small.


What you say about the Ame is true, however, they do send Ame ninja to the chunin exams for promotions. Not like it means anything. Mist, Kumo, and Stone villages didn't send their shinobi to the Chunin Exams, but instead promoted Shinobi on skills.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=19604093" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-19604093">The Amazing Kaguya said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent"> With Missing Nins and Akatsuki, most were Jonin/S-Rank before leaving their village.<br /> <br /> Itachi was an Anbu Captain. The same way that Yamato is an Anbu Captain. Yamato is acknowledged as a Jonin. <br /> <br /> Sasori, Kisame, Zabuza, and Orochimaru were all Jonin before they left their villages.<br /> <br /> Kakuzu is from the Waterfall village, and was alive during Hashirama, Ginkaku +Kinkaku era. He probably doesn't have rank of he's been gone as long as he says. Plus his village is small. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink"><a>Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>They've obviously encountered these later on, been assessed by ninja and are reported kage lvl. Just think of Shikamaru's encounters and him learning off all of their info.<br /> <br /> Only rank above jonin is kage btw lel so yeah.</div>

 

[LordGamatatsu]

The ninja ranks system is a system for mission assignment. It doesn't matter to people who aren't in a village lmfao

 

[The Amazing Kaguya]

I love how Izumo and Kotesu are Chunin Exam proctors, but spend most of their time jockeying a desk and pushing papers. Both are Chunin, but have jobs even a non shinobi could handle.

SMH

Allocation of resources, indeed.

 

[SatanicGod]

I love how Izumo and Kotesu are Chunin Exam proctors, but spend most of their time jockeying a desk and pushing papers. Both are Chunin, but have jobs even a non shinobi could handle.

SMH

Allocation of resources, indeed.

They are gatekeepers, they make sure shady figures don't enter the village

 

[ChicagoJhawk]

They are gatekeepers, they make sure shady figures don't enter the village

Lol as if they could stop them. If itachi decided to walk in he would just put them in a genjutsu and continue walking nonchalantly

 

[The Amazing Kaguya]

They are gatekeepers, they make sure shady figures don't enter the village

I've never seen them at the gate. I have seen them pushing papers during Hiruzen, Tsunade and Kakashi's era.

They had that one field op with Asuma and Shikamaru and were nearly all killed.

 

[SatanicGod]

Lol as if they could stop them. If itachi decided to walk in he would just put them in a genjutsu and continue walking nonchalantly

He is an above average rouge nin...

 

[SatanicGod]

I've never seen them at the gate. I have seen them pushing papers during Hiruzen, Tsunade and Kakashi's era.

They had that one field op with Asuma and Shikamaru and were nearly all killed.

Tf they are always at the gate I believe there was even a chapter when they are seen sitting behind a desk at the gate, greeting Naruto when he came in...

EDIT: My bad, I mixed up the anime with the manga

 

[KesOnFire]

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