Handling too many character's IMO would be done. Oda did handled all the Whitebeard pirates perfectly in only one arc, giving good amount to screen time to each character. Yeah except for the minor characters in each division.
true, but that wasn't storytelling, it was a war ... huge difference, we were missing Franky for months in PH arc (whereas in MF he could easily have just been shown shooting some lasers ... but that's NOT enough), too many main characters simply can't be done that's a fact
not to mention the only commanders with decent screen time were Jozu and Marco anyway
The thing about Luffy making allies and them supporting Luffy is True, but recently there have been some sorta hints. Like when Chinjao said that he'd put his son's Happou army under Luffy's command(permanently I suppose). Now's that's a big statement, and Oda won't write this without a purpose. Secondly, we got Bartolomew pirates, There can be two wings (divisions) for Straw Hat except the Main Crew which Luffy want to make of 10 Members (1 more needed). It's possible and the commanders, that is, Sai and Bartolomew, it won't be two hard to give them good amount of screen-time. Minor characters aren't usually given the screen time so it won't be too bad IMO even if they were given less screen-time (like Oda did with WB) pirates and the won't ruin the story. Not a bad idea in the end I guess. :yeah:
than why not just be allies of the SHs, look at the WB allies, they were essentially under the command of WB but they were their own crews, had their own captains and jolly rogers ... we won't see these ''random'' allies becoming SH's because of many reasons, one of which is that the fans wouldn't want that also SH's have always been about sticking together, about dreams, their goals, being with their captain, ... that's their way of life and Oda won't change the message that is at the hart of OP
Also if Sai and Barto were to become allies (or even commanders of SH's), they won't come near admiral level. These places are for zoro, Luffy and Sanji. Bartolomew and Sai hasn't shown anything anyway near Admiral level. when the M3 would become enough powerful to face Admirals, these two would be strong, but more like on the same level as Jinbe (below Admiral).
the point of me saying the SH's don't need more than 3 members at that level was to show that they don't need more than 10 - 11 members to be one of the (or THE) most powerful crew(s) ever.
and no the M3 probably won't be enough for the end war, that's why they will need allies, which they will have ... Dragon and his revolutionaries (Dragon at least is above Admiral level atm), Jinbe, probably Law, maybe Crocodile, maybe Aokiji, ... M3o won't be the only extremely strong characters there
true, but that wasn't storytelling, it was a war ... huge difference, we were missing Franky for months in PH arc (whereas in MF he could easily have just been shown shooting some lasers ... but that's NOT enough), too many main characters simply can't be done that's a fact
not to mention the only commanders with decent screen time were Jozu and Marco anyway
than why not just be allies of the SHs, look at the WB allies, they were essentially under the command of WB but they were their own crews, had their own captains and jolly rogers ... we won't see these ''random'' allies becoming SH's because of many reasons, one of which is that the fans wouldn't want that also SH's have always been about sticking together, about dreams, their goals, being with their captain, ... that's their way of life and Oda won't change the message that is at the hart of OP
the point of me saying the SH's don't need more than 3 members at that level was to show that they don't need more than 10 - 11 members to be one of the (or THE) most powerful crew(s) ever.
and no the M3 probably won't be enough for the end war, that's why they will need allies, which they will have ... Dragon and his revolutionaries (Dragon at least is above Admiral level atm), Jinbe, probably Law, maybe Crocodile, maybe Aokiji, ... M3o won't be the only extremely strong characters there
Good point there, I agree with you. They can still be allies to them. Though there's a possibility it might happen. But again I'm still not so sure about the Happou Navy, if you are putting it under Luffy's command, then what's the deal if it's only for an arc or some. Luffy has made many "allies" up until now, but we don't see them now and there's very low chance of seeing them again (like Hancock, many others from before Time skip). Though Jinbe is an exception.
IMO, yes the idea of making allies and not actual wings for strawhat pirates is good, only if they are there when needed.
Overall, it'll be good to see, Bartolomew make himself an "ally" of SHs, but since he hasn't said anything of the sort,, so his role might be limited to this arc. But about the Happou navy, they certainly will come under Luffy's command, even if they would still call them the "Happou Navy"(which now certainly seems likeable).
And lastly, yes I know that the M3 by themselves won't be able to handle all the enemies at once. Oda has put several characters from both sides in the TOP tier. So one would certainly needs more Man-power. Dragon is given, he will be there IMO, Jinbe too. Maybe some new "allies", which I Believe would just be called "Straw Hats" would come there.. As all the pirate groups allied with Whitebeard were collectively at the war called "Whitebeard Pirates", same might happen here..(not an actual Straw Hat but would called Straw Hat). That's pretty much your idea here I'm saying.
Lastly.. I agree with the Ally part, it sure sounds more likeable than actual divisions (not for happou, if they turn out ti be given a limited role for an arc or two, there would be no point in putting Luffy incharge of that Navy), though I still want to see how the thing with Happou navy will turn out.
Good point there, I agree with you. They can still be allies to them. Though there's a possibility it might happen. But again I'm still not so sure about the Happou Navy, if you are putting it under Luffy's command, then what's the deal if it's only for an arc or some. Luffy has made many "allies" up until now, but we don't see them now and there's very low chance of seeing them again (like Hancock, many others from before Time skip). Though Jinbe is an exception.
IMO, yes the idea of making allies and not actual wings for strawhat pirates is good, only if they are there when needed.
Overall, it'll be good to see, Bartolomew make himself an "ally" of SHs, but since he hasn't said anything of the sort,, so his role might be limited to this arc. But about the Happou navy, they certainly will come under Luffy's command, even if they would still call them the "Happou Navy"(which now certainly seems likeable).
And lastly, yes I know that the M3 by themselves won't be able to handle all the enemies at once. Oda has put several characters from both sides in the TOP tier. So one would certainly needs more Man-power. Dragon is given, he will be there IMO, Jinbe too. Maybe some new "allies", which I Believe would just be called "Straw Hats" would come there.. As all the pirate groups allied with Whitebeard were collectively at the war called "Whitebeard Pirates", same might happen here..(not an actual Straw Hat but would called Straw Hat). That's pretty much your idea here I'm saying.
Lastly.. I agree with the Ally part, it sure sounds more likeable than actual divisions (not for happou, if they turn out ti be given a limited role for an arc or two, there would be no point in putting Luffy incharge of that Navy), though I still want to see how the thing with Happou navy will turn out.
after doflamingo is defeated, i dont see rebecca or violet joining SH, instead try to restore the kingdom to its former glory with the king and every toy back to human.
Bartolomeo will most likely be a CLOSE ally to the SH, he doesnt have to join luffy to help him.
I'm going to make a full contribution to this thread now:
I believe Jinbe will join ; but of a later date, there will be somebody to join before him, I'm hoping Jinbe joins after Big Mam falls (as he is allied with her in order to ensure the safety of Fishman Island, when she falls Luffy will claim it as his territory.)
I am saying that it's none other than Violet.
Here's why:
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She's certainly not going to be welcomed back into the Donquixote Pirates crew. The fact she betrayed the crew means that she has made enemies of them. This is further proven when this was said:
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Acting weird... Basically he means she wants to foil their plans. The safest group to join in order to avoid being killed by the Donquixote pirates right now? The Strawhat crew.
3: (this is CRUCIAL)
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Her response:
No = She's definitely not staying.
After this I'll = She already knows what she wants to do. Guess which other members joined knowing they wanted to?
Luffy (of course)
Zoro
Usopp
Sanji
Nami
Chopper
Robin (although this wasn't made clear until she did join.)
Franky (although this wasn't made clear until the minute he joined.)
Brook
One criteria : check!
And then theres the crucial part:
This is often done in order to hide important information which the readers WANT to hear , which is CRUCIAL etc.
If it wasn't crucial then it wouldn't have been masked by her reaction to Nami's attack. The only way it could be crucial is if she joined the crew.
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It's clear from this that Violet isn't far away from the Ship. She can meet her new crew mates here. Only Robin had not been personal with the crew mates before join.
She's already met Sanji and Zoro and Franky (not in person : but those two were around).
She will have "met" 6 members of the crew if she gets onto the ship.
Note: She can fulfill the role as Lookout. Not to mention Spy and Dancer. She's most certainly going to join!
Whereas Rebecca, the Toy Soldier and Vivi do not have a possible role within the crew.
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Just some stuff I want to point out about Violet. Also why she could be a part of the crew:
-Her name, occupation, and opposition to Doflamingo may be a reference to Violet Gibson, the woman who attempted to assassinate the Italian fascist dictator Benito Mussolini.
-Her name and ability may be a reference to "ultraviolet", which is often used to see things normally invisible to the human eye.
So why is she based on a real person? Because she seemingly has an importance to the story. Most characters based on real people are important to the story. e.g. Admirals , Doflamingo , Most Supernovae , Enel.
The straw hats:
Luffy:
-Based off of Oda himself. Oda as a kid had a fascination for Rubber and Beetles.
-Luffy, during the Jaya Arc, displays a fascination for Hercules and Atlas beetles to the point where he becomes distracted from everything else. Both species are highly prized in Japan and are used for fighting.
Zoro:
-Zoro is the only Straw Hat Pirate to be named after a real life pirate, this being after the Japanese pronunciation of François l'Ollonais.
-El Zoro was also a real life criminal
Nami:
Her alias "Cat Burglar" refers to: a real life female burglar and Cat woman from Batman.
Usopp:
-His name comes from Uso, which means liar in Japanese, and Aesop, the author of The Boy Who Cried Wolf.
-It is possible that Usopp's long nose was inspired by the fairy tale "Pinocchio", as Pinocchio was a wooden puppet whose nose grew longer whenever he told a lie.
-Usopp's personality could also come from The Adventures of Baron of Münchausen, who said he had traveled around the globe on a cannonball, a lie Usopp himself said in episode 19, though no one gave any attention.
-Usopp might be somewhat based on the Japanese mythical species tengu, who were said to have long noses and habits of tricking people. Kin'emon even referred to him as a tengu.
Sanji:
-His name (三時 san-ji?) can mean "three o'clock" or "three o'clock snack".
-He is based off of Steve Bescemi from Reservoir Dogs
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-His hair style resembles that of Leonardo Dicaprios when playing the role of Romeo (a lover from a famous Shakespearean play)
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Chopper:
- Chopper is seemingly based Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer as Chopper not only is a reindeer, but one with an unusually colored nose. Chopper's birthday, Christmas Eve, further leads to this conclusion. A song entitled "Chopper the Blue-nosed Reindeer" has also been produced.
-Chopper's Monster Point form strongly resembles the Wendigo, a man-eating monster from Algonquin folklore. Depending on the portrayal, they are towering creatures covered in hair with a large mouth and antlers, that always appear gaunt and emaciated no matter how much they gorge themselves. They are strongly associated with winter and coldness, and even their heart is made of ice in some cases.
Robin:
-Robin's past has some similarities with fairytale character Cinderella: both were mistreated by their adoptive parents (Cinderella by her stepmother, Robin by her aunt), both were forced to do household chores and were given little food, both "adoptive parents" only cared for their own daughters, while mistreating the adopted ones and also, both Robin and Cinderella were left behind to do household chores while the rest of the family went to party (Robins aunt and uncle went to celebrate their daughter birthday and Cinderella's stepmother went with her daughters to the king's ballroom dance).
Franky:
-Franky's character might have been inspired by the character Ace Ventura, as both have a similar hairstyle (pre-timeskip), frequently wear Aloha shirts and have eccentric personalities which include a flamboyant behaviour and a certain disregard for rules.
-Franky also bears a resemblence to the American cartoon character "Popeye the Sailorman". They both share similarly large tattooed forearms, are both 34 years old (pre-timeskip), and both rely on food for immediate energy and power (spinach and cola, respectively).
-The name Cutty Flam is a reference to the sailing ships Cutty Sark and Fram.
-The nickname "Franky" is probably a reference to Frankenstein's monster, since they both are re-created humans.
Brook:
-Brook's unique laugh of "Yoho" is a stereotypical pirate line commonly found in various pirate related pop culture. It originates from “Dead Man's Chest”, the sea shanty from the book Treasure Island.
-It is possible a partial inspiration for Brook's backstory came from the poem (and song by the British metal band Iron Maiden) "The Rime of the Ancient Mariner", by Samuel Taylor Coleridge. It involves a mariner and his crew who are led out of the fog of Antarctica by an albatross, but the mariner shoots it down and curses his crew into calm waters. Through a game of dice, Death claims the lives of all his crew, but Life-in-Death claims the mariner, who is cursed to a fate worse than death by remaining on the bleak, foggy ship alongside his dead crew for ages, forced to relive all their deaths through the looks in their eyes, until finally acknowledging the beauty of life and its creatures, and released from drifting through the fog, ecstatically jumping for joy when he sees the first living people to approach and take him away, to tell his tale of warning, now a sadder but wiser man.
Basically:
Luffy = Young Oda
Nami = Cat woman
Zoro = El Zoro
Usopp = Aesop/Pinocchio
Sanji = Leonardo Dicaprio /Steve Bescumi
Chopper = Rudolph
Robin = Cindarella
Franky = Frankenstein/Ace Ventura/Popeye
Brook = A character from a very prestigious poem
Violet = Violet Gibson
As you can see they are all related (in some way) and based off of reality (in some way). Violet is the same. What's more she formed a "Bond" with Sanji.
The girls and their roles:
Violet = Spy and Dancer through the use of her devil fruit
Robin = Assassin and Archaeologist through the use of her devil fruit
Nami = Thief and Navigator
A bit of a trend now isn't there?
-All thre can fill two different roles within the crew.
-Spies, Assassins and Thieves are all stealth based.
The lack of female crew members also makes me think her likelihood of joining is quite high , and if she and Sanji maintain the relationship they seem to have now then not only will OP be about friendship but also companionship ; hence she could be incredibly important in the story.
(She also seems to be roughly as strong as Franky,Brook and Robin and is already a wanted pirate.)
- Violet Albina Gibson (1876 – 2 May 1956), the daughter of Lord Ashbourne, is best known for shooting Benito Mussolini in Rome in 1926. Doflamingo represents Mussolini which can be proven here:
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-It has been theorised that Gibson, an Anglo-Irish aristocrat, was insane at the time of the attack and the idea of assassinating Mussolini was hers. Much like how people believe the royal family in Dressrosa are commonly believed to have gone insane
I also believe Kin'emon and Momonosuke will join the Heart Pirates. I believe they mirror Vista (two swords) and Marco.(Mythical Zoan). Kanjurou will mirror Fossa (Fire sword?). And therefore do not see them joining the Straw Hat crew.
Violet would be perfect for the crew, and she is really needed for the crew as well as more development for nami ad robin as well. The female presence in the Straw Hat crew is dwindling and Violet would be a perfect addition to help balance it out. Combat wise she is perfect as well, but with the newest chapters it seems more and more like she will stay on dressrosa especially if dressrosa is restored under the riku family, hopefully not but thats the feeling i get.
I also believe Kin'emon and Momonosuke will join the Heart Pirates. I believe they mirror Vista (two swords) and Marco.(Mythical Zoan). Kanjurou will mirror Fossa (Fire sword?). And therefore do not see them joining the Straw Hat crew.
Why would they being mirroring those characters and why would the Heart Pirates need to mirror the WB pirates. It seems a little forced to me, especially since both crews operate so much differently
Why would they being mirroring those characters and why would the Heart Pirates need to mirror the WB pirates. It seems a little forced to me, especially since both crews operate so much differently
Check out my thread I made earlier ; there are way too many parallels between the two. I forgot to add the fact that both crews have tattoos, but still:
My vote has been with Rebecca ever since she was shown speaking with Luffy.
-I also thought about her mom Violet but still have mixed feelings about her.
--We don't know much about her but she seems so close to Robin, even though there is not much detail on her
