New Info about Hyugas and Kaguya/Hamura translated

[ANiMUS]

This is merely one way of interpreting it. Here's the other. (bolding so you know my key points)

Notice that they mention it specifically being inherited by Haruma from Kaguya, and then it states that, skipping generations, The Hyuga inherited it via genetic throwback. Then it mentions how Haruma sealed his decendant's eyes.


2 reasons why to think Hyugas are still Haruma's decendants


1. They were mentioned right after Haruma, and made no distinction to being of a different lineage. In fact, they talk about generations right after Haruma, implying they are of his lineage.

2. It mentions that it skipped generations. Therefore, implying that for generations, there was no byakugan. This fits with the fact that Haruma sealed the eyes of his descendants. This means that, eventually, the Ootsutsuki that would become the Hyuga reclaimed the Byakugan via genetic throwback.



Basically, bad interpretation. Plus, it makes more sense if the Hyuga are from Ootutsuki that came to earth. Regardless, a big selling point is the relationship of Hyuga and Ootsutsuki, so the explanation will probably be in the movie. Hyuga being Haruma's descendants are hardly ruled out.

Hamura's descendants all the way down to Toneri don't have eyes at all. Therefore hyuugas can't be hamura's descenants

 

[zeezzay]

Hyuuga take after Kaguya. Hamura takes after Kaguya :|

yeah exactly which makes no sense also nowhere does it say hyuga are realted to horgomo or indra, is just say humra desendant werent there for generation

 

[zeezzay]

Hamura's descendants all the way down to Toneri don't have eyes at all. Therefore hyuugas can't be hamura's descenants

but hyuga were his descendant that stayed on earth, the one on moon didnt have eyes
pls tell me why did toneri choose to marry hinata not another female, because hinat was only female related to him that could bring him offsrping with byukgan eyes

 

[ANiMUS]

wow it's like i've just insulted your boyfriend, you are over reacting Lol

I think u r misunderstanding something. I am genuinely indifferent as to what u do.

And just for the record I like women

 

[ANiMUS]

but hyuga were his descendant that stayed on earth, the one on moon didnt have eyes
pls tell me why did toneri choose to marry hinata not another female, because hinat was only female related to him that could bring him offsrping with byukgan eyes

The book says that it was Hagoromo alone that stayed on earth :|

 

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lol how ever said that lol
when did ostuki become hyuga, but techinically what they are saying is right, arent uchiha and senju also kinda of ostuki since their great great father was orginally ostuki
anyway hyuga getting hamura power is weird since hinata should actually be getting indra power or horgomo power sine she is directly related to them not humara, how come noodles didnt get hamura power??
this logic makes no sense????
also Toneri never liked hinata, he wanted to use her, to have future offspring with her cause duh, she was last person most losely related to humara

toneri showed some affiction at hinata though .

Anyway hamura ghost visit her to give her chakra and tell her the real story so she can tell toneri .He thought toneri would listen to her .after that hinata give naruto the chakra saying "i will give you the chakra hamura entrusted me with"

 

[zeezzay]

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toneri showed some affiction at hinata though .

Anyway hamura ghost visit her to give her chakra and tell her the real story so she can tell toneri .He thought toneri would listen to her .after that hinata give naruto the chakra saying "i will give you the chakra hamura entrusted me with"

nope hinata didnt give any chakra to noodles
firstly toneri didnt like hinata, he needs Hinata (because if read the first 1 page in this thread, it says Hyuga head family have high compbailuty with humara descandent (who have no eyes)) soo techinicaly hyuga family are highly related to Humara descandent
thats why toneri wanted hinata he wanted to marry her soooo he can off spring with eyes of byukgan
also many eyes that were sealed from descendant was byukgan itself (so techinically all ostuki famliy had bykugan but hamura sealed it)
thats why toneri wanted hinata
also Hinata didnt give Noodle Humara chakra, she had to break the (all eyes thingy) but she was phyically or energy wise strong (only humara chakra cant destroy since humara made the seal) sooo noodle took hold of her hand giving her boost because he is way more powerful than her, but it was hinata (or humara ) chakra thatdestroyed the thingy

 

[ANiMUS]

For a more complete picture

These translations were done by takl so they should be legit.


P.19,
TONERI O'TSUTSUKI
The last survivor of the O'tsutsuki clan, bent on carrying out the millenary covenant.
In order to guard the sealed Gedo Mazo, the O'tsutsuki clan have resided on the moon for a thousand long years. Toneri O'tsutuki is the last surviving descendant of the clan.
Nurtured by darkness and isolation, he sets the plan to drop the moon onto the earth into motion so as to meet the ancestral commitment that put the clan into a thousand years of darkness.
He goes into action with intentions of embarking on a life with his bride in the world after human extinction.

↑Eyeballs are absent from birth. The above is transplanted (/engrafted) from Hanabi.
→Wedding outfit of the O'tsutsuki clan.
Wrapping a turban like cloth around the head.
(chilli chilli Toneri) ←with Hanabi's "Byakugan" stabilized.
It's "Tensei-gan chakra mode", so to speak.

P.20
忍 博聞録(≒SHINOBI EXPANSIVE NOTES)
O'TSUTSUKI THOUSAND YEAR OLD TRADITION
The origin of all Shinobis, the O'tsutuki clan, migrated from the earth to the moon. What is the convent they've kept up over one 1000 long years...!!

THE SEAL; Sealing 10b, the moon is born
With the "Rikudoh Chibakutensei" by the O'tsutsuki brothers, Hagoromo and Hamura, the wreck of 10b―Gedomazo was sealed as the nucleus of the moon. Afterwards the O'tsutuki clan decide on moving to the moon to prevent 10b's resurgence.

THE COVENANT; A gamble with Hagoromo wishing for peace on earth
While the clan resolved on relocating to the moon, Hagoromo alone remains on Earth. Hagoromo's intention was to initiate people correctly into chakra that is essentially "power to link"
On the departure for the moon, Hamura who was assigned with the place of the head of O'tsutsukis by Hagoromo states this. "I(/we)'ll give it a thousand years." ―since then, the covenant with the big brother is strictly kept observed.

p.21
The THOUSAND YEARS DARKNESS; light shall be sealed off from the entire posterity for a thousand years hence.
Hamura was firm in his resolve. He sealed all the eyeballs of (/for) a thousand years of his (mostly unborn) descendants into "Tensei-gan" to store up gargantuan volume of power.
That was the force to be unleashed after ascertaining whether or not the earthlings in a thousand years' time are using chakra properly.

↓inside Float Isle of Toneri's palace there's a giant sphere!! With the O'tsutuki clan's thousand years of eyeballs sealed in it, the "Tensei-gan" of massive power is already complete..!!
→Ninshu turned into Ninjutsu and people continued to fight for a thousand years.
↑Madara Uchiha took Gedomazo that was sealed in the moon by summoning it.

 

[Shanks]

The translation is totally retconing the manga facts :

So where did Hyuuga get there Byakugan ?? From Hagoromo what nonsense is this ..

We already know when Hamura left the earth he has two bloodline limits : Byakugan and shkitsyomyaku ( Kimimaro's Kaguya clan )
-Hyuuga clan
- Kaguya clan

I think i will talk to takl she made a big blunder in the translation .. It's not possible Hyuuga cannot be Hamura's Descendant . The whole point of Hinata becoming Byakugan Princess will be total bs .

@Radon87000 please ask Yagami of NF i am sure he will give proper information he can read japanese ..

Also Please read this Thread :

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I already explained the bloodline limit of Toneri,Hamura and Hyuuga ..

 

[zeezzay]

The book says that it was Hagoromo alone that stayed on earth :|

yep but the eyes humara sealed where byukgan, sooo all humara descendant had byukgan eyes, but humara sealed it hence making all his future descendant eyeless, also this would mean all humara descandent where byukgan users just like hyuga them self, but their eyes were sealed for milluimenm
Toneri was eye less, hences that why he wanted to marry hinata and take hanbi eyes, soo hsi future generation will have byukgan

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Hamura's descendants all the way down to Toneri don't have eyes at all. Therefore hyuugas can't be hamura's descenants

Um, no, as I've said, the Hyugas are probably Ootsutsuki that came to earth. They wouldn't have stuck around with the main clan. As a result, Toneri, a pure blood, wouldn't have been born with eyes like the rest of the Ootsutsuki. Saying the Hyuga are Hagoromo's descendants is a huge stretch, especially considering the implications that they reclaimed the Byakugan. Hyugas are Ootsutski that got the Byakugan back via genetic throwback.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

So wait. If the huuga come from Harogomo.
Where does the kaguya come from?

Him too?

 

[ANiMUS]

Um, no, as I've said, the Hyugas are probably Ootsutsuki that came to earth. They wouldn't have stuck around with the main clan. As a result, Toneri, a pure blood, wouldn't have been born with eyes like the rest of the Ootsutsuki. Saying the Hyuga are Hagoromo's descendants is a huge stretch, especially considering the implications that they reclaimed the Byakugan. Hyugas are Ootsutski that got the Byakugan back via genetic throwback.

Hamura took the ootsutsukis to the moon.

 

[Shanks]

So wait. If the huuga come from Harogomo.
Where does the kaguya come from?

Him too?

Takl made a blunder here .. Its not possible for Hyuuga to be hago's lineage .. We already got movie information which shows Hyuuga are from Hamura's lineage .

 

[zeezzay]

Um, no, as I've said, the Hyugas are probably Ootsutsuki that came to earth. They wouldn't have stuck around with the main clan. As a result, Toneri, a pure blood, wouldn't have been born with eyes like the rest of the Ootsutsuki. Saying the Hyuga are Hagoromo's descendants is a huge stretch, especially considering the implications that they reclaimed the Byakugan. Hyugas are Ootsutski that got the Byakugan back via genetic throwback.

nope mates Humara descandant also had byukgan (in the movie all eyes that were sealed were byukgan eyes) yep soo humara all descendant had byukgan just like hyuga them selves, but they eyes were sealed of for milluime to make thing to destroy the earth, thats why toneri had no eyes, but if his ancestore eys wasnt seled of he'd be born with byukgan, thast why heattacked hinata and hani he took hanabi eyes and wanted to fuk hinata sooo his future descndent will all have byukgan

 

[zeezzay]

Hamura took the ootsutsukis to the moon.

but he forgot about indra and ashura who were ostuki too lol

 

[ANiMUS]

So wait. If the huuga come from Harogomo.
Where does the kaguya come from?

Him too?

No, Hagoromo came from Kaguya. It's just that some of his children took after his mother. Ergo the Hyuuga have the closest earthen connection to the otsutsuki

but he forgot about indra and ashura who were ostuki too lol

They were Hagoromo's kids probably after the clan left.

 

[Sjhsgjhsgjshjshjsh]

nope hinata didnt give any chakra to noodles
firstly toneri didnt like hinata, he needs Hinata (because if read the first 1 page in this thread, it says Hyuga head family have high compbailuty with humara descandent (who have no eyes)) soo techinicaly hyuga family are highly related to Humara descandent
thats why toneri wanted hinata he wanted to marry her soooo he can off spring with eyes of byukgan
also many eyes that were sealed from descendant was byukgan itself (so techinically all ostuki famliy had bykugan but hamura sealed it)
thats why toneri wanted hinata
also Hinata didnt give Noodle Humara chakra, she had to break the (all eyes thingy) but she was phyically or energy wise strong (only humara chakra cant destroy since humara made the seal) sooo noodle took hold of her hand giving her boost because he is way more powerful than her, but it was hinata (or humara ) chakra thatdestroyed the thingy

Umm its not an opinion its a fact .

Spoiler

[video=youtube;X-_TyJN0efI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-_TyJN0efI&feature=youtube_gdata_play[/video ]

Watch from minute 3:5 until 4:20 .

Hinata say " i will give you the chakra hamura entrusted me with" and then naruto goes fight toneri for the last time .


Hinata gave naruto the chakra then he fought toneri for the last time . She used the chakra before though
When she made a combo attack with naruto to destroy the weapon .


Toneri liked hinata .. He took hanabi eyes anyway so he didn't take her for that reason only .
He had weird affection for her .

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Hamura took the ootsutsukis to the moon.

Which stops an adventurous descendant of his from going to earth how exactly? Be honest. Do you really think that "skips several generations" right after mentioning Haruma, that it was referring to "the generations of every ninja clan in existence?" Quite the stretch wouldn't you say? Especially since there's no implication that anybody outside of Haruma's lineage was even mentioned for the Hyugas to be descendants of.


It's really quite simple. One of Haruma's descendants decides he/she wants to go to the planet, marries a human.(different gene pool, possibly taking away the sealing curse) The Byakugan is lost for a time. Then, Great-grandchild shows up with the Byakugan via genetic throwback to Haruma, but is not a direct lineage of the Ootsutsuki, so is not subject to the sealing.

 

[1Told]

the more i think about it and the less it makes sense, Hamura was stupid enough to let the Hyuuga reproduce like rabbits on Earth knowing that they are the only one with the byakugan like him and his mother?
the same special eye he robbed from Toneri's family just to feed the battery needed for his weapon against humanity and which took 1000 years to built?

the Ootsutsuki family is beyond stupid, that's so pathetic XD