New Info about Hyugas and Kaguya/Hamura translated

[~Ethereal~]

Got uni exams comin up so cant help it

Same....mine is next week. XD Good luck dear how much have you revised?

 

[AaaaNinja]

That makes no sense.

Actually there is something in there that leads to that kind of conclusion.

It says that Hagoromo was the only Ootsutsuki who stayed on the Earth. It says that Hamura sealed every one of his descendants' eyes for a thousand years. All of his descendants therefore had empty eye sockets. Hyuugas have eyeballs, so that would in fact exclude Hyuugas as his descendants. That's the logic.

But there is one bit that is contradictory:
BYAKUGAN; the kekkeigenkai running only in the Hyuga clan.
(passed) From Kaguya to Hamura.

I guess that is only contradictory if there is a presumption being made about what it means by "passed". It could merely mean "passed" as in, Hamura was born with that trait presenting itself. While at the same time it was down Hagoromo's line that it was skipped for many generations.

If the guidebook is attempting to make it clearer they definitely need to just draw up a family tree. It's so much simpler than trying to deduce the clans' relationships from translations. We're never short on debates over that. It still seems like I had to do some gymnastics to make sense of TakL's conclusion.

 

[ANiMUS]

So basically, all of Hamura's descendants had their eyes sealed, but after a few generations (most likely in Hagoromo's line) Kaguya's KKG (byakugan) resurfaced kinda like how a child would inherit traits from the grandparents rather than the parents.

That would probably mean that the byakugan came from Indra's lineage :|

 

[Char Aznable]

So basically, all of Hamura's descendants had their eyes sealed, but after a few generations (most likely in Hagoromo's line) Kaguya's KKG (byakugan) resurfaced kinda like how a child would inherit traits from the grandparents rather than the parents.

That would probably mean that the byakugan came from Indra's lineage :|

^ This probably.

If the OP post was translated correctly, then it means that the Byakugan (a bloodline trait) was autosomal recessive (unaffected parents give birth to affected children) for an undisclosed amount of time and then somehow the Byakugan became x-linked or autosomal dominant (traits display equally in men and woman and don't skip generations) for the entire Hyuga clan.


It's a stretch I guess. When you consider that the sharingan is also a bloodline trait but also said to be rare among Uchiha, then maybe the Byakugan thing could fly. As the descendants of Kaguya and Hagoromo don't all get their traits.

 

[AaaaNinja]

So basically, all of Hamura's descendants had their eyes sealed, but after a few generations (most likely in Hagoromo's line) Kaguya's KKG (byakugan) resurfaced kinda like how a child would inherit traits from the grandparents rather than the parents.

That would probably mean that the byakugan came from Indra's lineage :|

Yeah that's what I was getting at.

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

Out of all the things that Kishi could've done to simplify the context of this series, he decided to make even more complicated with having asspull to go to Hagaromo route. Hamura sealed all of his descendant, then there shouldn't be Hyuga with Byakugan, Hagoromo and Hamura have completely different attribute from Kaguya genes, they are completely opposite spectrum. It makes no fricken sense that the Hyuga are the descendent of Hagoromo!

 

[ANiMUS]

Hyugas not being Hamura's children is just stupid. why make things more complicated than they need to be ? Just have the Hyuga be Hamura's children and call it a day. Not this stupid nonsense about some random descendant of Hagoromo getting a Byakugan out of thin air.

Would have made more sense just to have Uzumaki/Hyuga come through Hamura and uchiha/Senju through Hagoromo.

Even with a god damn movie, these people fail to explain where the Hyuga came from. Same goes for the uzumaki. It's pathetic how out of the four Sage clans, only one got actual depth and development. not even the Senju clan, the so called rivals, had any good development in terms of history, politics, and power.

As for unresolved plotlines, remember the Hagoromo clan ? Lol too funny

Uchihas ftw

 

[MAN OF SIN]

So that means it's possibly for any clan related to the Sage to get a dojutsu, wood style, and strong life force.

 

[zeezzay]

this makes no sense
the guy whos is posting this crap is indeed radon7800 himself his hate for hinata is gone to extreme level

pls radon if ur smart enough
pls tell me how or why hinata got humara chakra?????
I mean both sasuke and noodles were able to get horgomo chakara because they were his descendant
but how did hinata get it??????
also humara has the hyuga eyes lol
what shit is talklL talking about

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Out of all the things that Kishi could've done to simplify the context of this series, he decided to make even more complicated with having asspull to go to Hagaromo route. Hamura sealed all of his descendant, then there shouldn't be Hyuga with Byakugan, Hagoromo and Hamura have completely different attribute from Kaguya genes, they are completely opposite spectrum. It makes no fricken sense that the Hyuga are the descendent of Hagoromo!

To be fair, that's how genetics work in real life.

 

[AaaaNinja]

^ This probably.

If the OP post was translated correctly, then it means that the Byakugan (a bloodline trait) was autosomal recessive (unaffected parents give birth to affected children) for an undisclosed amount of time and then somehow the Byakugan became x-linked or autosomal dominant (traits display equally in men and woman and don't skip generations) for the entire Hyuga clan.


It's a stretch I guess. When you consider that the sharingan is also a bloodline trait but also said to be rare among Uchiha, then maybe the Byakugan thing could fly. As the descendants of Kaguya and Hagoromo don't all get their traits.

Genetics don't exclusively work through the process of recessive/dominant.

Mutations can come into play. A mutation might appear that overrides the instructions to make byakugan, and the person is born without byakugan. Then so many generations later, a new mutation comes up that overrides the previous mutation that had been inhibiting the presentation of byakugan, and that person is born with byakugan.

Do you see what I'm saying? Think of chicken teeth.

I wouldn't say that sharingan is rare among Uchiha. Awakened sharingan maybe. But I imagine that if you take any Uchiha and make them suffer enough, they'll get the eyes.

 

[AaaaNinja]

this makes no sense
the guy whos is posting this crap is indeed radon7800 himself his hate for hinata is gone to extreme level

pls radon if ur smart enough
pls tell me how or why hinata got humara chakra?????
I mean both sasuke and noodles were able to get horgomo chakara because they were his descendant
but how did hinata get it??????
also humara has the hyuga eyes lol
what shit is talklL talking about

I dunno maybe it was bestowed.

 

[zeezzay]

Out of all the things that Kishi could've done to simplify the context of this series, he decided to make even more complicated with having asspull to go to Hagaromo route. Hamura sealed all of his descendant, then there shouldn't be Hyuga with Byakugan, Hagoromo and Hamura have completely different attribute from Kaguya genes, they are completely opposite spectrum. It makes no fricken sense that the Hyuga are the descendent of Hagoromo!

well at first I thought HYuga and uzamki came from horgomo they were rivals than from them cam senju and uchiha
but now this total ****ed up since humara has byukgan sooo it makes no sense
this guy is total fake and lie when the movie was being revealed kishi him self posted the lineage and toneri and hinata were realted to the humraa and noodles and sasuke to horgomo

 

[zeezzay]

I dunno maybe it was bestowed.

no it wasnt mates
this guy is posting crap because he hates hinata or even talk he was the one said sadara was karin child LOl
anyway humara himself had byukgan, sooooo how come his children dont aka toneri
anyway nowhere did it say Hyuga were descendant of horgomo
it clealry said they were humara descendant

 

[zeezzay]

So basically, all of Hamura's descendants had their eyes sealed, but after a few generations (most likely in Hagoromo's line) Kaguya's KKG (byakugan) resurfaced kinda like how a child would inherit traits from the grandparents rather than the parents.

That would probably mean that the byakugan came from Indra's lineage :|

which makes no sense cause hyuga are older clan the uchihas, yep uchiah were descendant of hyuga

 

[AlphaScythian]

I think its better to wait for official translation, doesnt make much sense.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

no it wasnt mates
this guy is posting crap because he hates hinata or even talk he was the one said sadara was karin child LOl
anyway humara himself had byukgan, sooooo how come his children dont aka toneri
anyway nowhere did it say Hyuga were descendant of horgomo
it clealry said they were humara descendant

That was never really stated.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

I think its better to wait for official translation, doesnt make much sense.

Again, that's how genetics work in reality.

 

[AaaaNinja]

well at first I thought HYuga and uzamki came from horgomo they were rivals than from them cam senju and uchiha
but now this total ****ed up since humara has byukgan sooo it makes no sense
this guy is total fake and lie when the movie was being revealed kishi him self posted the lineage and toneri and hinata were realted to the humraa and noodles and sasuke to horgomo

You mean this? Hyuuga's nowhere to be seen.

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[zeezzay]

That was never really stated.

than how does humara have hyuga eyes yet his children dont????? i mean his descandent toneri???
it makes nooooo sense horgomo had no byukgan yet his descendant did
but hamura had byukgan but his desandant didnt lol
kishi is trolling everyone to keep the manga hyped
now we are be sure there will be hyuga hyped in the next series