Boruto isn't top tier nowhere on earth. For stars, top tier characters don't need to cheat to win an easy battle. He had a hard time against Yurui, and let's face it, Boruto would've had clearly lost that battle against that fodder. He tried to cheat against Shikadai too, but got caught, if it wasn't for the cheating device, Boruto would've had lost both battles. And I don't even need to mention that he also used the cheating device against the twins at the flag capture.
His rasengan is tiny and it couldn't even pierce a small tree. His Juken is broken, it was absolutely useless against shikadai.
For all we know, Mitsuki and Sarada, and maybe, Shikadai and Shinki are the only top tier ones out of this generation. As for Sarada and Shikadai, they are the only ones who have proven their value and actually provided real and concrete proof that they are good shinobis.
As for the list, I would say:
Mitsuki
Sarada
Shikadai/Boruto
Boruto/Shikadai
Shinki
The rest
I didn't include Kawaki because we still don't know what he is capable of.
Uh, were you watching the same fight as I was? Boruto matched the
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i, and when it came to the bubble technique, Boruto took a regular shuriken out before the cheat version. but then heard his father's voice, and then immediately switched the Device due to confidence problems. Most of his problems come from a high disability of not wanting to try hard, which Kishimoto even explained in the first test of will. Even then before that scene entirely,
He tried to cheat against Shikadai too, but got caught, if it wasn't for the cheating device, Boruto would've had lost both battles. And I don't even need to mention that he also used the cheating device against the twins at the flag capture
These were Boruto's hard losses. Sadly, they aren't exactly as you claim. Boruto only used the Shadow Clone Jutsu against Shikidai, whom used two techniques in accordance. So of course the match was in his favor... Although I doubt you care.
In the flag test, Bolt was the only ninja against three shinobi. Even then each could create three shadow clones each while he could only create four or five. I mean as logical as it gets, some people don't have a good amount of common sense anymore. :lol
Why are people always targeting his small Rasengan as if he didn't improve it? Did someone expect his Rasengan which was comparable to a small rock, slice down a mountain or some shit? It's weird.
For all we know, Mitsuki and Sarada and maybe Shikadai and Shinki are the only top tier ones out of this generation. As for Sarada and Shikadai, they are the only ones who have proven their value and actually provided real and concrete proof that they are good shinobis.
People who discredit shinobi's abilities just show how butt-hurt they are in the long run. I don't even need to talk about it anymore though. Sarada's fans especially love to discredit Boruto's accomplishments (as seen above) and downplay everything he has ever achieved. But the funniest thing is that Sasuke, the strongest ninja in the World (one of the) and her father,
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Even Mitsuki's father stated that he would surpass him (Orochimaru). Shikidai also like Boruto, showed his potential and prowess by creating his own technique, hence why he was called a Prodigy.
Listen at least I ain't saying Sarada is weak, unlike the former, but at least I have enough self credibility to not be incredibly retarded when it comes to overall feats. People already realize that Boruto is far superior to Sarada in terms of talent,
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. The only people denying it are hard core faps who downplay everything Bolt does, which in turn, is you.
People who are blinded by character wank are cancerous.
1. Mitsuki
2. Boruto
3. Sarada
The rest don't matter.
Simple as that. They're the main trio and will obviously be the strongest regardless, that's how shonen always go.
Sarada is no fodder, she's Sasuke's daughter and a Byakugou/Sharingan mix would be deadly. She's already on her way to Tsunade's strength at only 11 years old. While Naruto and Sasuke were fodder at 11. Don't forget she also incapacitated several Shins while Chocho couldn't even get one, so I don't even know how you put Sarada below her lmao
Mitsuki s.hits on Boruto currently. His sage mode is so ridiculously overpowered that it convinced me Kishimoto had just freshly smoked 420 blunts before drawing the One-shot. That speed feat was absolutely ridiculous. Yes, Boruto can make four clones, but his clones got negged by a random Genin, and his hand-to-hand combat can't be too good if three Genin during the tournament were able to keep up with him. We also don't know if he knows actual Gentle Fist. He was about to palm Shikadai's face, but that's not how Neji and Hinata were using Gentle Fist. He just palms instead of punching sometimes, you don't need a byakugan to do that at all, not impressive. There's also not much that can be done with basic elements, his strongest asset rn is his vanishing rasengan.
Boruto ain't fodder, that's for sure. And he has loaads of potential, but it's really hard to match a stretchy kid who can already (unwillingly) tap into Sage mode, something that only true solo bosses have been shown to use. But I'm 100% sure he'll get some BS ability later in the manga and become OP.
1. Mitsuki
2. Boruto
3. Sarada
The rest don't matter.
Simple as that. They're the main trio and will obviously be the strongest regardless, that's how shonen always go.
Sarada is no fodder, she's Sasuke's daughter and a Byakugou/Sharingan mix would be deadly. She's already on her way to Tsunade's strength at only 11 years old. While Naruto and Sasuke were fodder at 11. Don't forget she also incapacitated several Shins while Chocho couldn't even get one, so I don't even know how you put Sarada below her lmao
Mitsuki s.hits on Boruto currently. His sage mode is so ridiculously overpowered that it convinced me Kishimoto had just freshly smoked 420 blunts before drawing the One-shot. That speed feat was absolutely ridiculous. Yes, Boruto can make four clones, but his clones got negged by a random Genin, and his hand-to-hand combat can't be too good if three Genin during the tournament were able to keep up with him. We also don't know if he knows actual Gentle Fist. He was about to palm Shikadai's face, but that's not how Neji and Hinata were using Gentle Fist. He just palms instead of punching sometimes, you don't need a byakugan to do that at all, not impressive. There's also not much that can be done with basic elements, his strongest asset rn is his vanishing rasengan.
Boruto ain't fodder, that's for sure. And he has loaads of potential, but it's really hard to match a stretchy kid who can already (unwillingly) tap into Sage mode, something that only true solo bosses have been shown to use. But I'm 100% sure he'll get some BS ability later in the manga and become OP.
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What kind of irrelevant argument is this? Sarada can't even defeat a single Shin alone in a battle, no one in their generation can. The only reason why Sarada negged the Shin(s) is due to her using a AOE which affected them all.
how she defeated them is totally and utterly irrelevant, i dont know why you keep mentioning that. fact is she shat them all and they all possessed the sharingan so its a feat regardless of what anyone says. no other kid in the new gen have shown the feat to take down so many opponents. doesnt matter whether she punched the ground to achieve it, it was effective which is all that matters. she was quick enough to solo that juubi creature before he could teleport away with that jutsu that looks similar to kamui. boruto confirmed she is the best with shuriken, you people underrate her if anything.
against the single shin, she didnt even have her sharingan unlocked then, and certainly didnt use CES, both of which she got later. and even at that, she showed impressive evasive skills, while simultaneously creating an opening for chocho to hit him from behind. add to this is the fact that ending of gaiden sarada>>>>sarada against shin.
Go back to when Sarada/Chou Chou actually fought Shin, he was going to defeat them both. Hell Shin even dodged a BM hand -- And people think someone can actually fight them on equal level. Even Sakura mentioned in VIZ that most of the Shin's they were fighting were already messed up (via bodily/mental problems).
shin was going to defeat a sarada who hadent unlocked her main powers and sakura was only referring to the giant shin when she made that statement, which was due to his size. in no way was she referring to all of them so you are wrong there.
1. Mitsuki
2. Boruto
3. Sarada
The rest don't matter.
Simple as that. They're the main trio and will obviously be the strongest regardless, that's how shonen always go.
Sarada is no fodder, she's Sasuke's daughter and a Byakugou/Sharingan mix would be deadly. She's already on her way to Tsunade's strength at only 11 years old. While Naruto and Sasuke were fodder at 11. Don't forget she also incapacitated several Shins while Chocho couldn't even get one, so I don't even know how you put Sarada below her lmao
Mitsuki s.hits on Boruto currently. His sage mode is so ridiculously overpowered that it convinced me Kishimoto had just freshly smoked 420 blunts before drawing the One-shot. That speed feat was absolutely ridiculous. Yes, Boruto can make four clones, but his clones got negged by a random Genin, and his hand-to-hand combat can't be too good if three Genin during the tournament were able to keep up with him. We also don't know if he knows actual Gentle Fist. He was about to palm Shikadai's face, but that's not how Neji and Hinata were using Gentle Fist. He just palms instead of punching sometimes, you don't need a byakugan to do that at all, not impressive. There's also not much that can be done with basic elements, his strongest asset rn is his vanishing rasengan.
Boruto ain't fodder, that's for sure. And he has loaads of potential, but it's really hard to match a stretchy kid who can already (unwillingly) tap into Sage mode, something that only true solo bosses have been shown to use. But I'm 100% sure he'll get some BS ability later in the manga and become OP.
how she defeated them is totally and utterly irrelevant, i dont know why you keep mentioning that. fact is she shat them all and they all possessed the sharingan so its a feat regardless of what anyone says. no other kid in the new gen have shown the feat to take down so many opponents. doesnt matter whether she punched the ground to achieve it, it was effective which is all that matters. she was quick enough to solo that juubi creature before he could teleport away with that jutsu that looks similar to kamui. boruto confirmed she is the best with shuriken, you people underrate her if anything.
Because it's the truth. It's like how you objectively look at it - During the War Arc, Sakura was capable of defeating a whole bunch of Juubi Clones, something that netiher Naruto or Sasuke could do with one single technique in the manner. Does that subjectively make her stronger then them both? People overrate that feat oh so many times, and worse, people take it out of context. Sarada's Sharingan isn't going to help her against Shin, when Shin dodged Naruto's RBM (Rikudou Bijuu Mode) hand. I mean how serious can people be? I don't think even Mitsuki in a hypothetical situation with his SM speed feat, could tag a Shin in a 1 on 1.
> Boruto said that her specialty was Shuriken Jutsu. She doesn't have the feats to prove what level she can access those shurikens. Much like Boruto saying that he can access three elements, whoopty doo, he can't do shit with them because of the lack of feats.
If you've read this entire thread, then you'd see who gets overrated and underrated more. I mean I never see people calling Sarada a fodder outside of female jabs, but those are never taken seriously in a real debate. How many people have downplayed Boruto's abilities because he cheated? lol
against the single shin, she didnt even have her sharingan unlocked then, and certainly didnt use CES, both of which she got later. and even at that, she showed impressive evasive skills, while simultaneously creating an opening for chocho to hit him from behind. add to this is the fact that ending of gaiden sarada>>>>sarada against shin.
But neither of those help her against a real Shin. Her Sharingan evasiveness helped her dodged a shuriken, which Shin threw after she jumped in the air. I don't see how CES would have worked in a single one on one either, it's like saying she can just use CES and no character would try to move out of the way. Main reasons why she tagged them all was due to her coming down after one reacted to her jump (shuriken throw) and as she came falling down to greet them, she blew them away with the unexpected aoe attack. I agree with the last statement, but I just hope we are on the same line of thinking that Sarada (and no one else in their generation for that matter) can defeat a Shin (at least Chapter 2-3 Shin) in a 1 on 1. A room filled with Shin's whom Sakura stated were mentally and physically incapable and incorrect, maybe. (VIZ)
shin was going to defeat a sarada who hadent unlocked her main powers and sakura was only referring to the giant shin when she made that statement, which was due to his size. in no way was she referring to all of them so you are wrong there.
Sakura was referring to multitudes of Shin's who all had bodily problems. From strange body shapes, to different shades of faces. You can look back or I can throw in the VIZ in the next post. I highly doubt that every Shin she tagged was a normal one, but I guess that doesn't really matter in the whole range of things. She would of defeated a room filled with regular Shin's, or not, given that the scenario worked in her favor due to the unexpectedness of her landing.
But I'm still crossing my fingers that people don't actually believe a real Shin would lose to these kids in a one on one. Like I can't even fathom Boruto, Mitsuki, or Shikidai fighting a Shin one on one and winning. Especially given his feats.
=lndra;20646208]Because it's the truth. It's like how you objectively look at it - During the War Arc, Sakura was capable of defeating a whole bunch of Juubi Clones, something that netiher Naruto or Sasuke could do with one single technique in the manner. Does that subjectively make her stronger then them both? People overrate that feat oh so many times, and worse, people take it out of context.
no one claimed she strongest or anything, you wont find me saying that. mitsuki bodies her, she loses to boruto too as of now but the op putting her last is retarded. all people claim is that she defeated multiple sharingan users, which is true. whether she did it in one go or not does not take away the result lol its as simple as that. boruto gave up after his opponent used more clones than he did, if that was sarada, she would have destroyed the clones easily. saradas sharingan compliments her ces far better than what sakura can do against legit opponents because she can time it better.
Sarada's Sharingan isn't going to help her against Shin, when Shin dodged Naruto's RBM (Rikudou Bijuu Mode) hand. I mean how serious can people be? I don't think even Mitsuki in a hypothetical situation with his SM speed feat, could tag a Shin in a 1 on 1.
and why wont it help her? if she was capable of dodging his attack first time seeing it without sharingan, then she sharingan makes it even easier. whether she beats him is another story which i really dont care for. but anytime anyone brings up boruto against shikadai, you always make sure to bring up the point that he used only one technique, so the same goes for sarada against shin who hardly even used anything.
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Boruto said that her specialty was Shuriken Jutsu. She doesn't have the feats to prove what level she can access those shurikens. Much like Boruto saying that he can access three elements, whoopty doo, he can't do shit with them because of the lack of feats.
it doesnt matter whether shes shown the feats because its stated she can do it period. same goes for borutos elements, people wank that even though we havent seen him do jack shit with any of them.
If you've read this entire thread, then you'd see who gets overrated and underrated more. I mean I never see people calling Sarada a fodder outside of female jabs, but those are never taken seriously in a real debate. How many people have downplayed Boruto's abilities because he cheated? lol
you are downplaying what she did which is underrating her so dont get mad at those who do the same for boruto.
But neither of those help her against a real Shin. Her Sharingan evasiveness helped her dodged a shuriken, which Shin threw after she jumped in the air.
if she has her sharingan, she can dodge his attacks better. and you are wrong, she dodged after shin threw it not before.
I don't see how CES would have worked in a single one on one either, it's like saying she can just use CES and no character would try to move out of the way.
i never stated that, but you and many others act like literally anyone can dodge her attack like shes some slow poke.
now lets look at a feat. adult shin had already activated s/t like jutsu on the juubi like creature in order to warp away sakura and sarada
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sarada was fast enough to react and kill it before the attack could complete
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. she moved faster than they could warp which is noteworthy and shows good movements.
Main reasons why she tagged them all was due to her coming down after one reacted to her jump (shuriken throw) and as she came falling down to greet them, she blew them away with the unexpected aoe attack.
they didnt react at all to her jump. that shuriken that was thrown was before she jumped not after. and again, how she did it is not relevant so stop explaining it to me.
I agree with the last statement, but I just hope we are on the same line of thinking that Sarada (and no one else in their generation for that matter) can defeat a Shin (at least Chapter 2-3 Shin) in a 1 on 1. A room filled with Shin's whom Sakura stated were mentally and physically incapable and incorrect, maybe. (VIZ)
i dont care about whether she can beat that shin or not as its not relevant to my post or her feat.
bold 2 is fanfiction. sakura never said they were mentally or physically incapable, not sure were you pulled that from. heres the VIZ
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chocho says there are some plump looking ones, and in response to her post, sakura says the cloning experiment didnt always go as planned referring to the fact that some of them are abnormal in size(fat). her statement was based on fat shins only that chocho referenced only which doesnt concern the normal ones that sarada defeated.
Sakura was referring to multitudes of Shin's who all had bodily problems. From strange body shapes, to different shades of faces. You can look back or I can throw in the VIZ in the next post. I highly doubt that every Shin she tagged was a normal one, but I guess that doesn't really matter in the whole range of things. She would of defeated a room filled with regular Shin's, or not, given that the scenario worked in her favor due to the unexpectedness of her landing.
disproved. not to mention the only abnormality is in size, not ability and it doesnt concern sarada even if it was the case makes this totally irrelevant
But I'm still crossing my fingers that people don't actually believe a real Shin would lose to these kids in a one on one. Like I can't even fathom Boruto, Mitsuki, or Shikidai fighting a Shin one on one and winning. Especially given his feats.
irrelevant to my post but am pretty sure mitsuki would body shin. cm buffed sasukes speed and strength against dosu so much to the point were he outperformed base lee who trashed him earlier. so just think what it would do for mitsuki who has a superior amplifier (Sm>>cm) untop of the abilities he would get from it. he kills shin easily.
now am off to watch Germany vs Italy. counter what you say later
no one claimed she strongest or anything, you wont find me saying that. mitsuki bodies her, she loses to boruto too as of now but the op putting her last is retarded. all people claim is that she defeated multiple sharingan users, which is true. whether she did it in one go or not does not take away the result lol its as simple as that. boruto gave up after his opponent used more clones than he did, if that was sarada, she would have destroyed the clones easily. saradas sharingan compliments her ces far better than what sakura can do against legit opponents because she can time it better.
But no one said that she couldn't. All I stated was that in no way shape or form, could anyone defeat a multitude of Shin's in a real fight. Can you really see Sarada aoeing a bunch of Shin's whom were in the same form like when they attacked Sarada/Chou Chou? Like the only reason it worked in the first place was because the attack was unexpected, I feel like the Shin's get downplayed because they were treated like fodder at the last minute.
and why wont it help her? if she was capable of dodging his attack first time seeing it without sharingan, then she sharingan makes it even easier. whether she beats him is another story which i really dont care for. but anytime anyone brings up boruto against shikadai, you always make sure to bring up the point that he used only one technique, so the same goes for sarada against shin who hardly even used anything.
Just less gracefully. Plus that was a thrown attack, and not a real blitz or anything of that nature.
I think the arguments kind of got mixed up somewhere, from looking at above you've said this to me before, which I don't understand why. No one said that Sarada didn't defeat the MS Shin's, the point is, through actual feats, Sarada could never defeat a real Shin (and I'll mention this again, nor can anyone else in their generation) because in a real battle, they are pretty versatile and quick. If we go back, Shin dodged Naruto's BM hand. Do you believe anyone else in their generation could dodge that attack? If not, why do we believe that anyone could stand up to them in a one on one? Outside that I don't really care.
What the Manga showed is what I believe. I never said anything differently, I hope.
>it doesnt matter whether shes shown the feats because its stated she can do it period. same goes for borutos elements, people wank that even though we havent seen him do jack shit with any of them.
Yes it does. Df? A character statement of that nature isn't exactly one hundred percent accurate until the said character shows the said feat. Especially when both cases have no foresight into their abilities with such said feats. Okay Boruto you can use three elements, but on what level? Okay Sarada your specialty is Shuriken jutsu, but on what level? You see it?
Boruto saying he can use elemental natures is correct, but to what extent? That's the issue. You can't argue that Boruto could counter someone's elemental natures despite him saying he has certain elemental natures, because we don't know what level of jutsu he can access.
The same goes back to Sarada. Boruto said her specialty was Shuriken Jutsu. But can you show me one feat of her accurately using Shuriken Jutsu in the way it was showed to Boruto? When Sasuke was teaching Boruto, he was showing him how to curve Shurikens to hit another angle, and showing him how to throw two shurikens at once to hit another angle. Sarada has shown neither of these procedures, but you expect people to state that she can based of no feats?
Through feats, both her and Chou Chou moved away from the original Shin's shuriken throw with the chain, and with the help of her Sharingan, she was capable of dodging a shuriken which was aimed at her in mid air.
None of these feats show that she could bypass his actual speed capability. Which is what I'm referring to.
I've never said that Sarada was incapable of having good movement feats, I thought that was obvious given her battle against Shin in the original chapter. Though for argument sake, let me just point out that those who already had information about the connection between the S/T jutsu via Shin/Juubi Jr. (mostly Naruto/Sarada/Sasuke -- Chou Chou should have as well since she saw the S/T with the mini-Juubi connection in the Chapter). Though the weirdest thing is that Sarada knew the monster was behind her, we saw him creeping behind them before, but she never actually confirmed it. Unless Sasuke/Naruto turning their backs alerted her.
they didnt react at all to her jump. that shuriken that was thrown was before she jumped not after. and again, how she did it is not relevant so stop explaining it to me.
i dont care about whether she can beat that shin or not as its not relevant to my post or her feat.
bold 2 is fanfiction. sakura never said they were mentally or physically incapable, not sure were you pulled that from. heres the VIZ
Bold is all I'm arguing against. Now I'm trying to figure out how we escalated this into wasting both of precious time, but hopefully we can get to the bottom of it.
chocho says there are some plump looking ones, and in response to her post, sakura says the cloning experiment didnt always go as planned referring to the fact that some of them are abnormal in size(fat). her statement was based on fat shins only that chocho referenced only which doesnt concern the normal ones that sarada defeated.
That's what I was referring to. And no, you can see in the scan that you posted in the middle panel, that some Shin's weren't exactly up to par with the rest. If you need to see what I'm referring to,
disproved. not to mention the only abnormality is in size, not ability and it doesnt concern sarada even if it was the case makes this totally irrelevant
Talked about it above, and I said that already. It wouldn't matter if it was an army of real Shin's or not, because the feat would of worked regardless. (I tried saying this before but I'm not sure if you caught it).
irrelevant to my post but am pretty sure mitsuki would body shin. cm buffed sasukes speed and strength against dosu so much to the point were he outperformed base lee who trashed him earlier. so just think what it would do for mitsuki who has a superior amplifier (Sm>>cm) untop of the abilities he would get from it. he kills shin easily.
now am off to watch Germany vs Italy. counter what you say later
You think Mitsuki with a SM boost could theoritically dodge RSM Naruto's chakra hand if it came at him directly like Shin? I don't know, I base most of Shin's abilities based on that dodging skill. If his reaction time is that great, I feel as if his base speed would be far superior to that of anything we've seen from the original gen bar gates, possibly. I mean this is Adult Naruto in RSM we are talking about ... The shit is wild.
He tried sarada lol
Sarada Haruno killed 100 + uchiha = with a 1 tomoe and a single punch , so she surpassed itachis clan massacre
Then Sarada killed a mini jubbi, surpassing Sasuke , with only a one tomoe
=lndra;20646507]But no one said that she couldn't. All I stated was that in no way shape or form, could anyone defeat a multitude of Shin's in a real fight. Can you really see Sarada aoeing a bunch of Shin's whom were in the same form like when they attacked Sarada/Chou Chou? Like the only reason it worked in the first place was because the attack was unexpected, I feel like the Shin's get downplayed because they were treated like fodder at the last minute.
but she did defeat them in a fight lol. look i think i understand the whole confusion. for me the manner she did it doesnt matter, but it does to you so i doubt we would agree. lets just drop it then.
Yeah, but
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Just less gracefully. Plus that was a thrown attack, and not a real blitz or anything of that nature.
lol chocho landed on her ass, not only did sarada jump away but she threw shurikens to distract shin, then stood on his weapon. that two moves when chocho could hardly even move until sarada created an opening for her. so yea, it doesnt really address anything.
I think the arguments kind of got mixed up somewhere, from looking at above you've said this to me before, which I don't understand why. No one said that Sarada didn't defeat the MS Shin's, the point is, through actual feats, Sarada could never defeat a real Shin (and I'll mention this again, nor can anyone else in their generation) because in a real battle, they are pretty versatile and quick. If we go back, Shin dodged Naruto's BM hand. Do you believe anyone else in their generation could dodge that attack? If not, why do we believe that anyone could stand up to them in a one on one? Outside that I don't really care.
i dont remember where its ever stated that those chakra arms fast or noted for their speed so i think mayb you perhaps overating its speed. naruto uses them as support to land his attacks better, not necessarily because they are fast. sure shin dodged it, but how does that mean he beats lets say mitsuki? he certainly isnt speed blizing considering he never achieved that against sharinganless sarada or chocho who cornered him at some point and those two by logic should be inferior to a sage mode user so mitsuki takes him. you saw the speed he displayed when he swooped the scroll away from orochimaru. not to mention ability wise, shin has not really shown anything other than weapons and chains.
What the Manga showed is what I believe. I never said anything differently, I hope.
Yes it does. Df? A character statement of that nature isn't exactly one hundred percent accurate until the said character shows the said feat. Especially when both cases have no foresight into their abilities with such said feats. Okay Boruto you can use three elements, but on what level? Okay Sarada your specialty is Shuriken jutsu, but on what level? You see it?
Boruto saying he can use elemental natures is correct, but to what extent? That's the issue. You can't argue that Boruto could counter someone's elemental natures despite him saying he has certain elemental natures, because we don't know what level of jutsu he can access.
The same goes back to Sarada. Boruto said her specialty was Shuriken Jutsu. But can you show me one feat of her accurately using Shuriken Jutsu in the way it was showed to Boruto? When Sasuke was teaching Boruto, he was showing him how to curve Shurikens to hit another angle, and showing him how to throw two shurikens at once to hit another angle. Sarada has shown neither of these procedures, but you expect people to state that she can based of no feats?
but i never made mention of the extent of saradas shuriken skills, just that shes capable of using it properly since its her speciality as noted so this doesnt address my point. if something is your speciality, pretty sure you would be very good at it. i never said how good nor did i make any comparison
Through feats, both her and Chou Chou moved away from the original Shin's shuriken throw with the chain, and with the help of her Sharingan, she was capable of dodging a shuriken which was aimed at her in mid air.
already explained the chocho part, sarada performance was better. exactly, so combine her movement with her sharingan and evading his chain wouldnt be that hard
None of these feats show that she could bypass his actual speed capability. Which is what I'm referring to.
i didnt say you said she was slow. pointing out her movement feats is a way of disproving the "everyone can dodge her ces" nonsense that gets thrown around. i was just showing a feat like you did for boruto
I've never said that Sarada was incapable of having good movement feats, I thought that was obvious given her battle against Shin in the original chapter. Though for argument sake, let me just point out that those who already had information about the connection between the S/T jutsu via Shin/Juubi Jr. (mostly Naruto/Sarada/Sasuke -- Chou Chou should have as well since she saw the S/T with the mini-Juubi connection in the Chapter).
not sure i understand what you are trying to point out here?
Though the weirdest thing is that Sarada knew the monster was behind her, we saw him creeping behind them before, but she never actually confirmed it. Unless Sasuke/Naruto turning their backs alerted her.
they all heard the sound of it activating its warp behind them. sarada just happened to be the only one who acted but my point was how quick she did it.
"The Shuriken was thrown before she jumped not after"
that scan is her beginning her run, she hadent jumped yet as you see her still running then jumping in the next page
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. or is she already in the air by then? eh not sure again
Bold is all I'm arguing against. Now I'm trying to figure out how we escalated this into wasting both of precious time, but hopefully we can get to the bottom of it.
That's what I was referring to. And no, you can see in the scan that you posted in the middle panel, that some Shin's weren't exactly up to par with the rest. If you need to see what I'm referring to,
yeah, but the context of sakuras statement is referring to the ones who were fat. cho cho says there are plump looking ones, sarada says she would let her handle those ones(which kinda disproves your point) and then sakura says the cloning didnt go as planned in response to chocho and saradas dialougue which were referring to the fat ones.
Talked about it above, and I said that already. It wouldn't matter if it was an army of real Shin's or not, because the feat would of worked regardless. (I tried saying this before but I'm not sure if you caught it).
You think Mitsuki with a SM boost could theoritically dodge RSM Naruto's chakra hand if it came at him directly like Shin? I don't know, I base most of Shin's abilities based on that dodging skill. If his reaction time is that great, I feel as if his base speed would be far superior to that of anything we've seen from the original gen bar gates, possibly. I mean this is Adult Naruto in RSM we are talking about ... The shit is wild.
hmm i get what you mean but he didnt show the capability to bliz opponents that are below mitsuki theoretically(sharingaless sarada and chocho) so i really dont think his speed would be all that. not to mention the points i mentioned against narutos chakra arms previously which were not exactly portrayed as super fast. ok yes mitsuki hasnt shown that much come on this is sage mode we are talking about. the power of senjutsu which would boost him tremendously. so yh i stand by what i say.
but she did defeat them in a fight lol. look i think i understand the whole confusion. for me the manner she did it doesnt matter, but it does to you so i doubt we would agree. lets just drop it then.
lol chocho landed on her ass, not only did sarada jump away but she threw shurikens to distract shin, then stood on his weapon. that two moves when chocho could hardly even move until sarada created an opening for her. so yea, it doesnt really address anything.
i dont remember where its ever stated that those chakra arms fast or noted for their speed so i think mayb you perhaps overating its speed. naruto uses them as support to land his attacks better, not necessarily because they are fast. sure shin dodged it, but how does that mean he beats lets say mitsuki? he certainly isnt speed blizing considering he never achieved that against sharinganless sarada or chocho who cornered him at some point and those two by logic should be inferior to a sage mode user so mitsuki takes him. you saw the speed he displayed when he swooped the scroll away from orochimaru. not to mention ability wise, shin has not really shown anything other than weapons and chains.
sure
but i never made mention of the extent of saradas shuriken skills, just that shes capable of using it properly since its her speciality as noted so this doesnt address my point. if something is your speciality, pretty sure you would be very good at it. i never said how good nor did i make any comparison
kind off
already explained the chocho part, sarada performance was better. exactly, so combine her movement with her sharingan and evading his chain wouldnt be that hard
i didnt say you said she was slow. pointing out her movement feats is a way of disproving the "everyone can dodge her ces" nonsense that gets thrown around. i was just showing a feat like you did for boruto
not sure i understand what you are trying to point out here?
they all heard the sound of it activating its warp behind them. sarada just happened to be the only one who acted but my point was how quick she did it.
that scan is her beginning her run, she hadent jumped yet as you see her still running then jumping in the next page
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. or is she already in the air by then? eh not sure again
lmao
yeah, but the context of sakuras statement is referring to the ones who were fat. cho cho says there are plump looking ones, sarada says she would let her handle those ones(which kinda disproves your point) and then sakura says the cloning didnt go as planned in response to chocho and saradas dialougue which were referring to the fat ones.
must have missed it then
hmm i get what you mean but he didnt show the capability to bliz opponents that are below mitsuki theoretically(sharingaless sarada and chocho) so i really dont think his speed would be all that. not to mention the points i mentioned against narutos chakra arms previously which were not exactly portrayed as super fast. ok yes mitsuki hasnt shown that much come on this is sage mode we are talking about. the power of senjutsu which would boost him tremendously. so yh i stand by what i say.
i did, Germany ftw, i support them. quite nervy spot kick though
I agree. I mean the only thing I wanted to touch on was:
> Chou Chou obviously isn't as skilled as Sarada, but my point was that she was capable of at least moving her fat ass (lol) out of the way. Which was the only thing I wanted to bring up
> I think you maybe right on this one. If we do take the fact that Mitsuki blitzed away Orochimaru's scroll without him being incapable of reacting, if that was the case anyway. But I'm still iffy on that whole ordeal because Orochimaru said that he has the power surpass him one day, but then does a feat where Orochimaru couldn't even react to? Does that sound right?
> That's what I was trying to point out earlier. I never said Sarada was bad with Shuriken's or that Boruto was good with elements, I just said that their abilities aren't fleshed out. Like I completely understand that Sarada is good at shuriken jutsu, but my problem (along with Boruto's skill with elements) is the lack of 'what they can do'. Like for all we know Sarada can pull an Itachi style shuriken jutsu, or she could just be straight average. Boruto could know some elemental jutsu's, or he could just be straight ass.
That's all I wanted throw around.
> Sarada jumped in the air, Shin threw those special shurikens at her, she dodged it mid flight (by turning) and then she landed on the bottom after raising her fist to knock them away.
That's what I perceived. We never see her jumping again after the scan of Kishimoto pointing at her foot lifting from the ground.
=lndra;20647036]I agree. I mean the only thing I wanted to touch on was:
> Chou Chou obviously isn't as skilled as Sarada, but my point was that she was capable of at least moving her fat ass (lol) out of the way. Which was the only thing I wanted to bring up
> I think you maybe right on this one. If we do take the fact that Mitsuki blitzed away Orochimaru's scroll without him being incapable of reacting, if that was the case anyway. But I'm still iffy on that whole ordeal because Orochimaru said that he has the power surpass him one day, but then does a feat where Orochimaru couldn't even react to? Does that sound right?
lol like that guy above me said, its just kishimoto on crack hyping up mitsuki. but someone brought up a good point were perhaps orochmaru planned for mitsuki to take the scroll so he can read up on boruto and take a liking to him? so mayb he didnt feel as need to react since thats what he wanted but mayb thats a stretch.
> That's what I was trying to point out earlier. I never said Sarada was bad with Shuriken's or that Boruto was good with elements, I just said that their abilities aren't fleshed out. Like I completely understand that Sarada is good at shuriken jutsu, but my problem (along with Boruto's skill with elements) is the lack of 'what they can do'. Like for all we know Sarada can pull an Itachi style shuriken jutsu, or she could just be straight average. Boruto could know some elemental jutsu's, or he could just be straight ass.
well no evidence of how exactly good they are so nothing to say here in thse areas. agreed
> Sarada jumped in the air, Shin threw those special shurikens at her, she dodged it mid flight (by turning) and then she landed on the bottom after raising her fist to knock them away.
That's what I perceived. We never see her jumping again after the scan of Kishimoto pointing at her foot lifting from the ground.
Can we actually let them develop their fears and learn new techs before we start arguing over who's the strongest? They are only a few months out the door and already we have these rediculous matchups.
Boruto will obviously be 1 (eventually) just because he isn't destroying mountains as a genin doesn't mean he isn't going to become stronger. He has great potential. Same as Sarada. Same as Mitzuki.
From the first panel of the first issue we got a glimpse of Boruto's development.
He WILL have Byakugan(possibly Tenseigan) he will have Fuuinjutsu( seals on his arm) he will learn Kenjutsu. These are things we haven't seen him posses in his childhood at present.
We don't even know what adult Sarada will possess or who she will train under. She might be a genjutsu master like Itachi, She might learn the 8 Inner Gates, she might have the Mangenkyo Sharingan. She may have even transplanted Sasuke's Rinnegan (if he isn't alive)
Same goes for Mitsuki. He's already a sage so that puts him high in the totem pole already.
