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I'm not a fanboy in any way, but i think it's pretty obvious the Uchihas are the best in the series character-wise. Namely Madara, Itachi and Obito. ......followed by Sasuke.
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Yet Neji was right the whole time about destiny, Naruto was a chosen prophecy even before the series started... Kishi definately lost his way making Naruto the messiah.
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I see what you mean but by that logic Naruto would've been born as the hated 9 tails kid. He changed his own destiny. Also I don't see why Neji and Naruto's philosophies can't co-exist. Neji's death kinda symbolised that he made this his own destiny but he came to fit into it naturally anyway, he accepted it and died happy.
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The original message of Naruto was that how you are born. You can be whatever you want if you work hard enough. Everyone in the manga wanks his hard work and achievements, he's the one the manga is asking us to admire so no he wasn't really hated by his overcoming his achievement.
When Naruto was struggling a match with his opponent, Neji stated that you cannot change your destiny, " Once a failure always a failure"
Naruto was unwillingly accept his ideology that was bound inescapable fate, Naruto went on defeat Neji by proving that you can change destiny.
Now at the end of the series we find out that the circumstances of Naruto's birth and how he started out DID matter. After everything Naruto went through about making your own destiny and not letting yourself be controlled by fate, it turns out that Naruto himself is someone automatically “destined for greatness”. Not only that, he is the son of one of the most powerful shinobi in his village’s history.
So it still doesn't excuse why Neji "choose" when it was all apart of destiny, that has always been the fate of the Hyuga.
Kishi intentionally killed him off because he knows sticking Neji around would exposes the main theme that he contradicts. Never bother to remind us with recapping p1 Neji idealogy and the Hyuga backround.
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Now see here's the thing and I know this is gonna sound far-fetched but stick with me. Was it?
Hard work is evident in any shonen simply because of the idea of action and training abilities but I don't think it ever set in stone pushed that moral hard, or at the very least- Part 1 and Timeskip are about very different themes. The timeskip whether you like it or not IS about the road to peace, from the moment we saw The Final Valley statues during their battle.
Kakashi is one of the only ninja to outright preach a moral but by the time he says 'the new generation surpass the old'...that's in Shippuden. In my reading anyway, Kakashi is likely referring to the generation as a whole. I don't think it's about power levels I think the generation is just becoming outdated and surpassed by fresher, new ninja. Because then that message is the same as in real life, Kakashi could even mean that the previous generation become old and tired. It's a very vague line and the reason I never truly gave into the
They're both important themes but i'd say Naruto's Ninshuu (his ninja way) is something that starts as early as Haku and Zabuza. Taking what he learned there he turns Neji, Gaara, Gamabunta and Tsunade in part 1. We don't know that this winning over of rejective characters is significant until much later but the peace theme is started surprisingly early. I'd say that is the predominant theme rather than hard work. I never really bought or liked the Ashura/Indra reincarnation stuff but I still don't think Naruto and Neji's ideologies during that moment in Shippuden actually conflict or cancel each other out.
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actually you mean obito.
Hes the one who made kakashi the way he is (and by extension naruto/sasuke)
Hes the one who killed naruto's parents making naruto the way he is (and by extension sasuke due to building distrust as fallout of said deaths)
He's the one who made sasuke the way he is by killing the clan
He's the one who pushed sasuke further into darkness
He's the one who started the war
He's the one who saved them both multiple times
Hes the one who manipulated nagato
He's the one that created the akatsuki
I can go on and on. But its clear from jump that obito is the most pivotal villain in the entire series and is the one that created and pushed the plot.
