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[Kakashi Hatakeo]

No, they're far AF.
-Minato and kakashi aren't sitting around either. They have Obito-zetsu to contend with. We already know how hax kamui is so they're clearing in deep.

-Sasuke wasn't 'made stupid', this was just literally the first time he's ever seen a Rinnegan tech. Ever. Everyone else who's ever seen a rinnegan tech, such as deva, was 1 shot immediately because of the WTF moment (see: Kakashi's raiton clone, pa, sm naruto, kcm naruto, etc).

-Obito didn't have SM. All he was was just a Jin. It's been established that SM is better than being a jin anyway. See naruto fodderizing kyuubi with SM. Or SM naruto pretty much standing up to deva when kyuubi barely could. Depending on how stong the user is, SM is far better because you're bringing the nature energy(which makes bijuu) directly into your body and increasing your own power many folds over.

-Hiruzen's 5 nature isn't asspull either. Nothing ever said it's impossible to have all 5 natures. Kakashi said it's just hard as hell but msot jounin have 2-3

-Akamichi clan can't grow big because they're all out of chakra. LEt's not forget these people literally just fought shinju and had their chakra constantly drained... Everyone's exhausted.

Like i said, everything you listed has an explanation. What doesn't is obito taking a raikiri to his heart (no more heart) and somehow pulling through that shit. THAT was BS.

Thanks for explaining and I already k ow most this stuff its just, I guess I'm phrasing it wrong like hiruzen I didn't say that was asspull or that no one should be able to use 5 chakra nature what I said was where is he getting all the chakra from. Also obi to did have sensing as he sensed when sasuke was about to use amerterasu and said your little tricks won't work on me or something like that, and so I thought guy who has all bijuu sensing should be above madara sage mode taken from hashirama. I agree on akimichi but still not sasuke and tobirama being fodder used how they were now that is asspull.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Thanks for explaining and I already k ow most this stuff its just, I guess I'm phrasing it wrong like hiruzen I didn't say that was asspull or that no one should be able to use 5 chakra nature what I said was where is he getting all the chakra from. Also obi to did have sensing as he sensed when sasuke was about to use amerterasu and said your little tricks won't work on me or something like that, and so I thought guy who has all bijuu sensing should be above madara sage mode taken from hashirama. I agree on akimichi but still not sasuke and tobirama being fodder used how they were now that is asspull.

Oh, that. Most likely his edo body. When alive he could do it, but he'd just die because it'd take too much chakra. Now he can do it and drain his chakra to 1% if he has to and just wait for edo body to replenish it no worries.

Not necessarily. Actually, just no. SM naruto has shown wayyyy better sensing feat than KCM and BM naruto. In KCM/BM/Jin mode, they sense something, idk what. But in SM, all of nature is now connected to them, so they can see shit miles away. When naruto was on turtle island and entered SM, he literally saw the entire war play by play. SM sensing has shown better sensing feats.
Let's not forget, that obito himself is a sensor, and even nagato could sense ama build up... doesn't mean his sensing is anywhere near SM.

- Hashirama was fodderized while madara was blind. NAruto was fodderized in his strongest form. Tobirama is in no way on the level of either of these 2, and wasn't even on the level of alive EMS Madara - maybe, MS madara, but not EMS - tobirama didn't stand a shred of a chance. With sasuke, it's like I said, he was caught off guard by hax deva tech. even kakashi got solo'd by it (only his knack for making clones saved him, something sasuke doesn't do).

 

[Kakashi Hatakeo]

Well..Madara called the body of the jubbi the "Gedo Mazou Statue" so when you simply said statue..there is a cause of misunderstanding right there in my opinion.

I won't say that a akimichi member are unable to harm it persay..but it would not do much damage that i do not doubt.

Attack Madara head on? Even while distracted..that seems like suicide to me. To me..even naruto attempting that would seem like a risk and Naruto would have to evade Madara's counter attack at the end. The tailed beasts extraction took only a few seconds , less than a minute and have you forgotten that madara has the skill to take on 5 kages at once..easily? And Senjutsu is not taken into account yet too.

Someone without the strength of a couple of kages would not have a chance to pull off a surprise attack in my opinion. And Who has that kind of power to do that? Harashima is incapicaiated. So is his brother.

Lastly..Someone mentioned it ealiear than me because his post was shorter and he submitted faster. We probrably started typing around the same time _@:

Great post and I have to say even though you guys are explaining and convincing me somewhat I have to say I feel like kishi is rushing it a lot, doing a lot of off panel stuff like it should have been shown how tobirama was taken down and seriously the assume thing pure BS as only a an amateur jumps out of the sky expecting to land an attack especially after seeing a guy already try it and fail and ore so in the air you have nowhere to go your helpless.

For making a villain this strong I hope he has a good way of taking him down as I think he will probably let a lot of readers down. Juubito is more powerful than madara and thast fight was great yet madara just walks around like nope you can't beat me it only takes me 1 moves bye tobirama, hello sasuke I gave you plenty of time to do something, well guys who is next? I don't like seeing these strong characters owned so easily and I personally think its cause kishi is out of time, I loved when assume tried to take on blind madara and go owned that was acceptable but this does not pass

 

[SAGE OF ALL ELEMENTS]

Great post and I have to say even though you guys are explaining and convincing me somewhat I have to say I feel like kishi is rushing it a lot, doing a lot of off panel stuff like it should have been shown how tobirama was taken down and seriously the assume thing pure BS as only a an amateur jumps out of the sky expecting to land an attack especially after seeing a guy already try it and fail and ore so in the air you have nowhere to go your helpless.

For making a villain this strong I hope he has a good way of taking him down as I think he will probably let a lot of readers down. Juubito is more powerful than madara and thast fight was great yet madara just walks around like nope you can't beat me it only takes me 1 moves bye tobirama, hello sasuke I gave you plenty of time to do something, well guys who is next? I don't like seeing these strong characters owned so easily and I personally think its cause kishi is out of time, I loved when assume tried to take on blind madara and go owned that was acceptable but this does not pass

Jubbito was just obito with the Jubbi under his control. I faintly remember a panel where even after he became the jubbi he still had mild trouble controlling it. He was struggling with it for a while

Madara on the other hand had perfect control over it because of his rinnegan. He said he was able to control it even at his extremely old age and near death.

So how exactly is obito stronger than Madara?

You become a jinchuriki to utilize a Bijuu's power.

Jubbito=Still had trouble controlling it. Even said "Wow..I did not imagine it to be this strong."

Madara=Does it no problem from the beginning ?

 

[Kakashi Hatakeo]

Oh, that. Most likely his edo body. When alive he could do it, but he'd just die because it'd take too much chakra. Now he can do it and drain his chakra to 1% if he has to and just wait for edo body to replenish it no worries.

Not necessarily. Actually, just no. SM naruto has shown wayyyy better sensing feat than KCM and BM naruto. In KCM/BM/Jin mode, they sense something, idk what. But in SM, all of nature is now connected to them, so they can see shit miles away. When naruto was on turtle island and entered SM, he literally saw the entire war play by play. SM sensing has shown better sensing feats.
Let's not forget, that obito himself is a sensor, and even nagato could sense ama build up... doesn't mean his sensing is anywhere near SM.

- Hashirama was fodderized while madara was blind. NAruto was fodderized in his strongest form. Tobirama is in no way on the level of either of these 2, and wasn't even on the level of alive EMS Madara - maybe, MS madara, but not EMS - tobirama didn't stand a shred of a chance. With sasuke, it's like I said, he was caught off guard by hax deva tech. even kakashi got solo'd by it (only his knack for making clones saved him, something sasuke doesn't do).

I completely agree about what you said In regard to sage mode sensing and I knew that but what I'm trying to get across and what I'm not so sure about is the title sage of six paths hence the words sage, I thought it gave obito some great seeming skills and even if they are not as good as sage mode, his seeming and reaction times should have been more than enough to dodge tobirama and narutos combo attack.

Also I have to disagree, I read a thread a while back which convinced me alive tobirama was on ems madaras level and what convinced me even more was the fact that if current madara did not have sage mode then tobiramas surprise attack would have taken him out. Lastly well that explains the benefits of being an Edo

 

[AGoodBoy]

TBH i prefer kishi to off panel some things... The way hashi, naruto and sasuke got owned, tobirama obviously got 1 shot also. It's just wasting time showing all these little things and padding the manga

 

[Kakashi Hatakeo]

Jubbito was just obito with the Jubbi under his control. I faintly remember a panel where even after he became the jubbi he still had mild trouble controlling it. He was struggling with it for a while

Madara on the other hand had perfect control over it because of his rinnegan. He said he was able to control it even at his extremely old age and near death.

So how exactly is obito stronger than Madara?

You become a jinchuriki to utilize a Bijuu's power.

Jubbito=Still had trouble controlling it. Even said "Wow..I did not imagine it to be this strong."

Madara=Does it no problem from the beginning ?

There is one thing wrong with this post obi to became the juubis host and yes he had trouble with it at first but the he mastered it, whereas madara has not come into contact with juubi yet or tamed it. He was controlling gedo mazou the empty shell which is not even sentient whereas the juubi was out of control rampaging. Also I'm talking about juubito not obi to, as I'm not going to dispute that madara > obi to lol