[Debate] Never Ending Paradox

[Kenotthib]

Is the whole idea of natural rights flawed? Hypothetically if you gave every man, woman, and child natural rights there would be a wide variety of conflicts. Sort of like some people saying all men should be free, well if someone doesn't view someone of a different ethnic group as being human, Is it the laws fault for not being specific enough? But then they would be telling people what to think rather than enforce a law. Freedom of speech doesn't give you the freedom to say whatever you see fit because through the year the government (United States) has put limits on what people have the freedom of saying. On top of that if anyone belittles a well known religion such as Islam, or Christianity the whole freedom of speech idea is thrown out the window, Example when the people who made south park had the episode where they basically ridiculed all the well known religious figures they had to censor Mohammed because of all the threats from people of the Islamic (not all but a substantial number). And John Locke's Natural rights to Life, Liberty, and Property. Life should DEFINITELY be a natural right, but doesn't giving people with varying opinions the same liberties lead to often times violent conflicts? Giving all people right to property is a fantasy because as soon as the government decides that they want to build a road or highway where your house is the can basically force you out (they will compensate you) but what if you don't want to move and a getting signatures for a petition fails, Oh well you say goodbye to your house. Television shouldn't be censored but the Tv viewers must be smarter in what they watch. Fox and most news show are complete bullshit and some naive people truly believe every single thing said on the news smh. Please tell me if I missed any other paradox's. Or maybe you wish to refute one of mine. In this life I only seek Knowledge, truth, enlightenment, and happiness. So debate me if you disagree. That being said tell me what you think.

 

[Isabella95]

You are mistaking freedom with unaccountability and lawlessness. Simple as that. No paradox.

 

[GwemBaba]

It does indeed.

 

[Kages]

Nah, there is no paradox.

 

[The Fourth]

I think you would like a show called 'How TV ruined your life' presented by Charlie Brooker. Real eye opener. I know nothing about the US so I can't really comment on that, but I'd warrant that its the same in most places. I try and live my life with the view that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and I try to respect that. I don't know if that is the answer to all the problems though. It is a real paradox. Also I try to ignore most of what the news is telling me and try to find as unbiased news as possible.

 

[Ōkami]

Paragraphs, learn them.

 

[GwemBaba]

If we Critisise people bassed on political thoughts, we should definately be allowed to Critisise their religion.

 

[Kenotthib]

You are mistaking freedom with unaccountability and lawlessness. Simple as that. No paradox.

The government gives people freedoms and often times people have varying opinions for what freedom is, therefore by telling people what there freedoms are the government may directly, or indirectly controlling what people's freedoms are, So how can that be labeled as freedom? So paradox I believe so.

Paragraphs, learn them.

This isn't english class who gives af?

 

[YourOwnInability]

Insightful But still a mute point...
you are correct about the one true rite..existence...
other than that everything else falls into the illusion of control, especially the things mentioned that pertain to cultural and mass-government aspects...
Even logic can be conflicting at times....
I am not debating with you as I understand your logic and would agree, how ever I will tell you this...man has been trying to control man since...(depending on your believes) for more then two millienia...with no real segway to find a true resolution that is why you have the moons eye plan in this story... you can not control individual free will on a mass level...it doesn't work like that....you would stand a better chance of teaching the world to hold its' self accountable for its' own actions.....If you can figure out a way to do that the let me know....
As free will is Man's gift and Man's burdon.....It is what makes "US" unrulely....and until man finds a new predator to fight against there will not be a universally motivating factor..this is also why man has fallen into your paradox as man has eliminated the population of all competing creatures for dominance on this planet...so until something comes along to challenge us for the top spot...you will be hard pressed to find an answer to your paradox....not that it has not been tried before by many individuals but even at the height of their success they still fall short of what your looking for....this is also why people still cling to religious ideas..hope for the future

 

[Kenotthib]

Insightful But still a mute point...
you are correct about the one true rite..existence...
other than that everything else falls into the illusion of control, especially the things mentioned that pertain to cultural and mass-government aspects...
Even logic can be conflicting at times....
I am not debating with you as I understand your logic and would agree, how ever I will tell you this...man has been trying to control man since...(depending on your believes) for more then two millienia...with no real segway to find a true resolution that is why you have the moons eye plan in this story... you can not control individual free will on a mass level...it doesn't work like that....you would stand a better chance of teaching the world to hold its' self accountable for its' own actions.....If you can figure out a way to do that the let me know....
As free will is Man's gift and Man's burdon.....It is what makes "US" unrulely....and until man finds a new predator to fight against there will not be a universally motivating factor..this is also why man has fallen into your paradox as man has eliminated the population of all competing creatures for dominance on this planet...so until something comes along to challenge us for the top spot...you will be hard pressed to find an answer to your paradox....not that it has not been tried before by many individuals but even at the height of their success they still fall short of what your looking for....this is also why people still cling to religious ideas..hope for the future

Finding a solution to worldly problems as complex as I stated escapes me but damn it I will find it. Thanks for your post.

 

[Darthlawsuit]

Is the whole idea of natural rights flawed? Hypothetically if you gave every man, woman, and child natural rights there would be a wide variety of conflicts. Sort of like some people saying all men should be free, well if someone doesn't view someone of a different ethnic group as being human, Is it the laws fault for not being specific enough?

Natural rights are rights that not even a 99% vote can take away. It doesn't matter if you view them as non-human the fact is they are human and they have those rights. They can never be taken away or bargained with. They are given by god/universe itself and are above any laws.

Freedom of speech doesn't give you the freedom to say whatever you see fit because through the year the government (United States) has put limits on what people have the freedom of saying.

I think your a **** <- Protected by free speech because I am expression my opinion

This guy is a ***** and he sleeps with panda's <- Not protected because I am lying and violating your natural rights

I have a bomb strapped to me and I am going to kill you all! <- Not protected because you are trying to incite panic and injure people. However if you really were going to do so then it would be protected but the act of killing them would not be protected.

On top of that if anyone belittles a well known religion such as Islam, or Christianity the whole freedom of speech idea is thrown out the window, Example when the people who made south park had the episode where they basically ridiculed all the well known religious figures they had to censor Mohammed because of all the threats from people of the Islamic (not all but a substantial number).

The company was a traitor to the constitution. Southpark was exercising their free speech. If you want to make fun of Islam you are free to do so. The Islamic terrorists don't believe in natural rights so they violate his rights by killing him. Cowards give in to this behavior like frightened sheep.

And John Locke's Natural rights to Life, Liberty, and Property. Life should DEFINITELY be a natural right, but doesn't giving people with varying opinions the same liberties lead to often times violent conflicts?

It can but that is liberty for you. Freedom is not free, it is paid in blood. However anything is better than being a slave.

Television shouldn't be censored but the Tv viewers must be smarter in what they watch. Fox and most news show are complete bullshit and some naive people truly believe every single thing said on the news smh.

Can't fix stupid. Also I agree TV should not be censored. Just give people a warning about what they are going to watch and let them make an informed choice. Stop this whole nannystate bullshit -_-;

 

[Kenotthib]

Natural rights are rights that not even a 99% vote can take away. It doesn't matter if you view them as non-human the fact is they are human and they have those rights. They can never be taken away or bargained with. They are given by god/universe itself and are above any laws.


I think your a **** <- Protected by free speech because I am expression my opinion

This guy is a ***** and he sleeps with panda's <- Not protected because I am lying and violating your natural rights

I have a bomb strapped to me and I am going to kill you all! <- Not protected because you are trying to incite panic and injure people. However if you really were going to do so then it would be protected but the act of killing them would not be protected.


The company was a traitor to the constitution. Southpark was exercising their free speech. If you want to make fun of Islam you are free to do so. The Islamic terrorists don't believe in natural rights so they violate his rights by killing him. Cowards give in to this behavior like frightened sheep.


It can but that is liberty for you. Freedom is not free, it is paid in blood. However anything is better than being a slave.


Can't fix stupid. Also I agree TV should not be censored. Just give people a warning about what they are going to watch and let them make an informed choice. Stop this whole nannystate bullshit -_-;

My whole point is freedom is a perspective and cannot be defined by any government and by telling people what their freedoms are they are basically stating what they deem to be freedom. By doing this it really contradicts its purpose.