Netero and Zeno vs. Phantom Troupe

[Darkakatsuki]

We don't know how far Chrollo can teleport people and if he can teleport himself. If we go by feats then he can only teleport somebody few meters. Meaning there is no way that they can escape from the Rose.

I thought about that but remember that Pitou was unable to attack Netero when her hatsu took less then 0.1 second to activate. There is no way that Machi can tie him up on time. Netero will slap her away from him before she even activates her nen strings.

Have you ever heard of 'In'? It's the technique that Hisoka uses all the time to hide the visibility of his bungee gum, Machi also used it to hide her nen strings when she was tracking Kurapika, and Kurapika used it to trap Uvogin in his chains. You can't dodge what you can't see buddy.


As for the rose bomb/teleportation issue. There can be no resolution, it's your word against mine. You say that Chrollo by feats has only teleported Nobunaga a few metres away? Why would he have teleported him further than that exactly? The aim was to stop his assault from Hisoka, not to take him elsewhere. Either way, you also can't prove that a few metres is his limit. So we're both speculating. Just like you are speculating that Pitou is faster than Machi. As for the King, it was never stated that the king couldn't dodge Netero's attacks, in fact, the King never tried to do such a thing. He was flying/jumping/moving directly into Netero's attacks because he was looking for a loophole in his attack pattern. He needed to go head to head with him in order to find that.

 

[Twisted007]

Have you ever heard of 'In'? It's the technique that Hisoka uses all the time to hide the visibility of his bungee gum, Machi also used it to hide her nen strings when she was tracking Kurapika, and Kurapika used it to trap Uvogin in his chains. You can't dodge what you can't see buddy.

As for the rose bomb/teleportation issue. There can be no resolution, it's your word against mine. You say that Chrollo by feats has only teleported Nobunaga a few metres away? Why would he have teleported him further than that exactly? The aim was to stop his assault from Hisoka, not to take him elsewhere. Either way, you also can't prove that a few metres is his limit. So we're both speculating. Just like you are speculating that Pitou is faster than Machi. As for the King, it was never stated that the king couldn't dodge Netero's attacks, in fact, the King never tried to do such a thing. He was flying/jumping/moving directly into Netero's attacks because he was looking for a loophole in his attack pattern. He needed to go head to head with him in order to find that.

Lol what does In have to do with this? Netero knows that there has to be a reason that Chrollo teleported him to Machi and he will just slap Machi away before she can do a thing. You underestimate Netero's attack speed. Here Meruem counter attacks Netero, look how close his hand is, Netero activates his attack and slaps him away. Meruem even admits that Netero attack is faster then his movement speed.

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And you think that Machi will get the chance to tie him up :heh:

True he didn't needed more then few meters but still if we go by feats he can only teleport somebody a few meters. You have to come up with manga facts if you say other wise not me. But I like Chrollo/troupe, do not make me expose their weaknesses. Let's just agree that the troupe wins this match up.

 

[Bogard]

Zeno stalemates Chrollo,Netero slaps the rest and OHKOs them,they dont have dura or speed feats to even suggest they can take on Bodhisattva.Netero proceeds to join Zeno and they trash Chrollo aswell.

Basically this

 

[Freecss]

Basically this

Except Kuroro beats Zeno.

 

[-Akuma-]

Feitan was blitzing Zazan after warming up, and the troupe state that he didn't even reach his normal level. I doubt that Feitan is faster than Kuroro though.

Post-mediating Netero was smacking around the King, who's much faster than any Royal Guard, who are faster than Squadron Leaders. No one has the speed to dodge Netero's attacks, or the durability to take much attacks.

Kuroro takes Zeno down. Kuroro wasn't really fighting when he fought Zeno and Silva, where both of them were just holding back. As of the feats we have now, they get taken by Netero though.

You do realise the only time Feitan 'blitzed' Zazan was in her big form, even after he was warmed up he only out-sped her he was never fast enough to the point where he would blitz her in her normal form.


We agree on that then.


No Chrollo doesn't take out Zeno, Netero would have cleaned house long before then and Chrollo gets slapped 2on1.

 

[Freecss]

You do realise the only time Feitan 'blitzed' Zazan was in her big form, even after he was warmed up he only out-sped her he was never fast enough to the point where he would blitz her in her normal form.

That's what I meant, and her second form > first form, so Feitan is really fast.

We agree on that then.

No Chrollo doesn't take out Zeno, Netero would have cleaned house long before then and Chrollo gets slapped 2on1.

Zeno outright stated that if Kuroro was bloodlusted there, he would most likely take him out, however, by the time Netero took out the rest of the Phantom Troupe, Kuroro would be exhausted and Netero would slap him.

 

[-Akuma-]

That's what I meant, and her second form > first form, so Feitan is really fast.





Zeno outright stated that if Kuroro was bloodlusted there, he would most likely take him out, however, by the time Netero took out the rest of the Phantom Troupe, Kuroro would be exhausted and Netero would slap him.

No, sure her 2nd form is stronger but she was faster in her first so Feitan still gets slapped around by Netero.


Zeno said Chrollo wins, but Chrollo isn't killing Zeno quickly by the time Netero is done with the rest of the Troupe Zeno and Chrollo would still be fighting.

 

[Freecss]

No, sure her 2nd form is stronger but she was faster in her first so Feitan still gets slapped around by Netero.

She's faster in her second form. She was capable of quickly counterattacking Feitan after taking on his attack.

Zeno said Chrollo wins, but Chrollo isn't killing Zeno quickly by the time Netero is done with the rest of the Troupe Zeno and Chrollo would still be fighting.

I said he'd probably take him out, not kill him. Netero would probably slap the Phantom Troupe, and then slap Kuroro.

 

[-Akuma-]

She's faster in her second form. She was capable of quickly counterattacking Feitan after taking on his attack.

I said he'd probably take him out, not kill him. Netero would probably slap the Phantom Troupe, and then slap Kuroro.

No she wasn't really faster, and Feitan only blitzed is because she gave an opening after transforming. So yeah Feitan barley outsped an Ant captain.


Plus no Netero is taking out the rest of the Troupe before Chrollo takes out Zeno.

 

[RicardoA]

Spiders win.

If Chrollo fights seriously in a 1v1 against Zeno, the later already implied who'd be the winner.
The rest ganging up on Netero certainly win. He's very strong, but not supposed to be that strong.

 

[Freecss]

Spiders win.

If Chrollo fights seriously in a 1v1 against Zeno, the later already implied who'd be the winner.
The rest ganging up on Netero certainly win. He's very strong, but not supposed to be that strong.

What's stopping Netero from blowing them miles away, or crush them?

 

[RicardoA]

What's stopping Netero from blowing them miles away, or crush them?

Nothing. Then again, i make mine Twisted007's words in his second post.

 

[Darkakatsuki]

Lol what does In have to do with this? Netero knows that there has to be a reason that Chrollo teleported him to Machi and he will just slap Machi away before she can do a thing. You underestimate Netero's attack speed. Here Meruem counter attacks Netero, look how close his hand is, Netero activates his attack and slaps him away. Meruem even admits that Netero attack is faster then his movement speed.

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And you think that Machi will get the chance to tie him up :heh:

True he didn't needed more then few meters but still if we go by feats he can only teleport somebody a few meters. You have to come up with manga facts if you say other wise not me. But I like Chrollo/troupe, do not make me expose their weaknesses. Let's just agree that the troupe wins this match up.

Once again you speak nonsense. Machi's range with the strings is incredibly long. A string was attatched to a moving car that was miles away all the way to Machi's finger when they were tracking Uvogin and Kurapika. There'd be no need for Machi to be close enough to Netero for him to even know that an attack was coming from Machi. Also, Netero's speed is only in regards to the clasping his hands together for prayer, even the King admitted this fact by stating that the only thing Netero was superior to him in was that single movement clasping movement. His bhuda statue was not faster than the King, it just had no opening coz of the many attack patterns and the number of hands it has. If he were teleported out of his Bhuda unexpectedly, he'd have to first cancel that Bhuda before activating it again, that's more than enough time for Machi to make her move....from a distance, with INVISIBLE strings. He can't do his prayer thingy with his body tied up, and the prayer is the main condition for his Hatsu. i'll let the bomb/teleportation slide, especially because the bomb doesn't give Netero a victory because he also dies. Don't make me expose any more of Netero's weaknesses

 

[Twisted007]

I'm suprised that so many people think that Netero/Zeno win this match. This is not Naruto where 1/2 characters can defeat 10+ top tier fighters. smh

Once again you speak nonsense. Machi's range with the strings is incredibly long. A string was attatched to a moving car that was miles away all the way to Machi's finger when they were tracking Uvogin and Kurapika. There'd be no need for Machi to be close enough to Netero for him to even know that an attack was coming from Machi. Also, Netero's speed is only in regards to the clasping his hands together for prayer, even the King admitted this fact by stating that the only thing Netero was superior to him in was that single movement clasping movement. His bhuda statue was not faster than the King, it just had no opening coz of the many attack patterns and the number of hands it has. If he were teleported out of his Bhuda unexpectedly, he'd have to first cancel that Bhuda before activating it again, that's more than enough time for Machi to make her move....from a distance, with INVISIBLE strings. He can't do his prayer thingy with his body tied up, and the prayer is the main condition for his Hatsu.

What? I already showed manga pages that clearly showed that Netero attack speed was faster then Meruem's movement. Meruem ate all the attacks until he could predict what hand Netero was going to use. He called it ''reading the flow of the person''. Do you honestly believe that Machi attack speed is faster then Meruem's? LMAO

Also where did you get the idea that she can tie people from a distance?

Why didn't she tie up from where she was standing?

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Look where she is standing before she tied up Gon and Killua and after.

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Now I will wait for your manga pages that show that she can tie up people from a distance

i'll let the bomb/teleportation slide, especially because the bomb doesn't give Netero a victory because he also dies. Don't make me expose any more of Netero's weaknesses

Let it slide? You have no arguments. Sorry man, I know this manga inside out. =D

 

[Darkakatsuki]

I'm suprised that so many people think that Netero/Zeno win this match. This is not Naruto where 1/2 characters can defeat 10 top tier fighters. smh


What? I already showed manga pages that clearly showed that Netero attack speed was faster then Meruem's movement. Meruem ate all the attacks until he could predict what hand Netero was going to use. He called it ''reading the flow of the person''. Do you honestly believe that Machi attack speed is faster then Meruem's? LMAO

Also where did you get the idea that she can tie people from a distance?

Why didn't she tie up from where she was standing?

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Look where she is standing before she tied up Gon and Killua and after.

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Now I will wait for your manga pages that show that she can tie up people from a distance



Let it slide? You have no arguments. Sorry man, I know this manga inside out. =D

Lol, you fail at reading comprehension. Meruem never even once tried to dodge Netero's attacks, he was clashing head on with Netero because he wanted to find that opening so he can get his hands on Netero himself. There's no reason for me to believe that a defensive minded fighter or a fighter who doesn't need hand to hand combat to fight like the king would not be able to dodge the Bhudavhista, especially when Meruem explicitly explained the workings of Netero's power. He never once stated anything about the Bhudha being too fast for him, he implicitly stated that the only superior feat Netero had over him was the movement when he clasped his hand. Regarding the Bhudha, no speed feat was mentioned, Meruem only analysed that the number of hands and attack patterns were so many that it was impossible to find a loophole. There's no reason for me to believe you over Meruem, who actually fought Netero, and you have yet to provide a defense against Chrollo/Machi combination, and I get the feeling that you are failing to comprehend that Netero will not be fighting only Chrollo and Machi when there are so many Phantom Troupe members. There's no way he would know of Machi's hatsu, there is no way he would even know when and where he would teleported, and there's no way he would know that Machi has invisible nen strings waiting for him in the teleportation location, in fact, he doesn't even know about the teleportation technique itself. You know this manga inside out? Lol, your failed reading comprehension says otherwise, you don't even understand this thread itself, considering you don't even comprehend that Netero is battling a whole phantom troupe yet you expect him to anticipate an attack from someone who doesn't even have to be anywhere near him to attack. There are so many ways Netero could get pawned it's ridiculous, without even including Chrollo and Machi into the argument, if you understood the manga as inside out as you claim you would know this.

 

[Twisted007]

Darkakatsuki,

I feel like I'm talking to a wall so I'm gonna stop here.

 

[Commander Axe]

Lol, you fail at reading comprehension. Meruem never even once tried to dodge Netero's attacks, he was clashing head on with Netero because he wanted to find that opening so he can get his hands on Netero himself. There's no reason for me to believe that a defensive minded fighter or a fighter who doesn't need hand to hand combat to fight like the king would not be able to dodge the Bhudavhista, especially when Meruem explicitly explained the workings of Netero's power. He never once stated anything about the Bhudha being too fast for him, he implicitly stated that the only superior feat Netero had over him was the movement when he clasped his hand. Regarding the Bhudha, no speed feat was mentioned, Meruem only analysed that the number of hands and attack patterns were so many that it was impossible to find a loophole. There's no reason for me to believe you over Meruem, who actually fought Netero, and you have yet to provide a defense against Chrollo/Machi combination, and I get the feeling that you are failing to comprehend that Netero will not be fighting only Chrollo and Machi when there are so many Phantom Troupe members. There's no way he would know of Machi's hatsu, there is no way he would even know when and where he would teleported, and there's no way he would know that Machi has invisible nen strings waiting for him in the teleportation location, in fact, he doesn't even know about the teleportation technique itself. You know this manga inside out? Lol, your failed reading comprehension says otherwise, you don't even understand this thread itself, considering you don't even comprehend that Netero is battling a whole phantom troupe yet you expect him to anticipate an attack from someone who doesn't even have to be anywhere near him to attack. There are so many ways Netero could get pawned it's ridiculous, without even including Chrollo and Machi into the argument, if you understood the manga as inside out as you claim you would know this.

You obviously ignored most of his points, you lost, GG.

 

[Bogard]

Can someone tell me where in the statement did Zeno admit inferiority? All what he said is that he is stronger than a holding back Chrollo and doesn't know who would win if he goes all out, implying it could go either way

 

[Haizaki]

Zeno can stall Chrollo for sometime. Netero fodderstomps everyone and shits on Hisoka afterwards.

Zeno/ Netero can pull off a win depending on the Zeno vs Chrollo situation. If

 

[Darkakatsuki]

Darkakatsuki,

I feel like I'm talking to a wall so I'm gonna stop here.

Trust me, the feeling is mutual