[VS] Neko and Duke vs Sanji and Zoro

[scorezor]

who ?

 

[Legend Slayer]

Zoro needs a better teammate i think. The dukes wins

If that's the case then the same can be said for Sanji. Any opponent Zoro can defeat Sanji can too. Smh

 

[ssjelf]

If that's the case then the same can be said for Sanji. Any opponent Zoro can defeat Sanji can too. Smh

Lol wat...

OT: Neko and Inu take this hmmm probably high diff maybe mid. It is heavily implied that the duke and master are above luffy if not slightly below if luffy has to beat Jack. That puts them higher than sanji and zoro and I dont think they could pull off the same feat against Jack that they did, I like zoro but saying he can hold off jack for 12 hours is a large stretch.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Lol wat...

OT: Neko and Inu take this hmmm probably high diff maybe mid. It is heavily implied that the duke and master are above luffy if not slightly below if luffy has to beat Jack. That puts them higher than sanji and zoro and I dont think they could pull off the same feat against Jack that they did, I like zoro but saying he can hold off jack for 12 hours is a large stretch.

How is it implied?

 

[ssjelf]

How is it implied?

Because luffy said inurashi must be very strong. He doesnt say that about very many people at all. In fact the last guy he said that to was an admiral (not saying inu is admiral level though) also they held off jack for 5 days an opponent that luffy will likely only be able to defeat extreme diff and that opponent is crazy strong enough to think he can fight admirals and win, and he ought to be a heck of a lot stronger than doffy if he is to be the next opponent of luffy, doffy who luffy barely beat even with laws help.

The last few chapters have been nothing but jack hype and here we see two people who are likely equal to him if not barely below. This guy is crazier and stronger than doffy. Inu and neko are very strong to be able to hold him off. Even if luffy is stronger currentely, zoro and sanji arent stronger for sure.

 

[Tomato God]

Lol wat...

OT: Neko and Inu take this hmmm probably high diff maybe mid. It is heavily implied that the duke and master are above luffy if not slightly below if luffy has to beat Jack. That puts them higher than sanji and zoro and I dont think they could pull off the same feat against Jack that they did, I like zoro but saying he can hold off jack for 12 hours is a large stretch.

Umm why not?

 

[Legend Slayer]

Because luffy said inurashi must be very strong. He doesnt say that about very many people at all. In fact the last guy he said that to was an admiral (not saying inu is admiral level though) also they held off jack for 5 days an opponent that luffy will likely only be able to defeat extreme diff and that opponent is crazy strong enough to think he can fight admirals and win, and he ought to be a heck of a lot stronger than doffy if he is to be the next opponent of luffy, doffy who luffy barely beat even with laws help.

The last few chapters have been nothing but jack hype and here we see two people who are likely equal to him if not barely below. This guy is crazier and stronger than doffy. Inu and neko are very strong to be able to hold him off. Even if luffy is stronger currentely, zoro and sanji arent stronger for sure.

Ninety percent of the things you say is irrelevant to your point.

It's hard to see what you're really trying to say

 

[ssjelf]

Ninety percent of the things you say is irrelevant to your point.

It's hard to see what you're really trying to say

Maybe if you saw what I was responding too you might be able to see what my point is. The whole point is that inu and Nero fought on par with jack who is clearly stronger than doffy who luffy barely beat. Meaning, and here is the point in case you can't figure it out, that luffy is below inu and neko. That was the point of my response.

Linking that to the main post, if luffy is weaker than inu and neko, sanji and zoro can't beat them because they are weaker than luffy. Simple as that. If you. Can't follow that I can't help you and you might want to stay away from posting topics such as this if you can't follow a simple argument.

 

[ssjelf]

Umm why not?

See my other posts. Long story short luffy is at best slightly above inu and neko. Meaning zoro and sanji are below inu and neko. That's why...

 

[Legend Slayer]

Maybe if you saw what I was responding too you might be able to see what my point is. The whole point is that inu and Nero fought on par with jack who is clearly stronger than doffy who luffy barely beat. Meaning, and here is the point in case you can't figure it out, that luffy is below inu and neko. That was the point of my response.

Linking that to the main post, if luffy is weaker than inu and neko, sanji and zoro can't beat them because they are weaker than luffy. Simple as that. If you. Can't follow that I can't help you and you might want to stay away from posting topics such as this if you can't follow a simple argument.

Your mistaken. Nobody (and this was actually stated by Wanda) was able to fight on par with Jack. They could hold him back but that's it, not to mention the constant six hours recovery time each and every mink got. No way the minks could have done it without that factor. Jack still would have won even without the poison gas weapon. If Jack really is the main villain of this arc then luffy WILL be able to defeat him and IMO that puts the cat and dog below him. But not by too much, which puts them on par with? Zoro.

Now why I say Zoro is on par with Sanji is simple. Notice Zoro always gets the second strongest opponent of the arc. Sanji gets the third strongest opponent. But somehow, Sanji always beats his opponents on a lower difficultly than Zoro. Why? Because his equal to Zoro. If he had Zoro's opponent then obviously a higher diff would be required to beat the guy. But Zoro gets the second strongest simply because his "first mate" and "vice captain".

This is why I say that they are in same tier but Zoro has slight upper hand.

EDIT : You might want to avoid double posting like that. You could get an infraction. Happened to me. Instead combine all quotes in one post.

 

[ssjelf]

Your mistaken. Nobody (and this was actually stated by Wanda) was able to fight on par with Jack. They could hold him back but that's it, not to mention the constant six hours recovery time each and every mink got. No way the minks could have done it without that factor. Jack still would have won even without the poison gas weapon. If Jack really is the main villain of this arc then luffy WILL be able to defeat him and IMO that puts the cat and dog below him. But not by too much, which puts them on par with? Zoro.

Now why I say Zoro is on par with Sanji is simple. Notice Zoro always gets the second strongest opponent of the arc. Sanji gets the third strongest opponent. But somehow, Sanji always beats his opponents on a lower difficultly than Zoro. Why? Because his equal to Zoro. If he had Zoro's opponent then obviously a higher diff would be required to beat the guy. But Zoro gets the second strongest simply because his "first mate" and "vice captain".

This is why I say that they are in same tier but Zoro has slight upper hand.

Wanda never said anything like that.

And as for luffy beating jack, that is just speculation on a fight that might happen 50-100 chapters form now. Why go with something that hasn't happened yet and the details of which we don't know yet when we have hard evidence currently that puts luffy below jack. For all we know luffy might fight jack 3v1. And for that matter we know luffy will beat kaido so why not put him equal with admirals while we are at it? The answer is simple, we can't claim anything about luffys strength based on a fight that hasn't happened.

Neko and Inu are complete equals, even if zoro was equal to inu/neko, sanji is still less. sanji currently hasnt shown anything that puts him exactly equal with zoro, or close for that matter. Again speculation based on feats that "might" happen.

I know the rules of the site, this is OP section the mods dont care THAT much here. Doing it once or twice isnt a big deal, besides it is hard to combine quotes and do stuff like that on mobile. I try to avoid it but it isnt a life ending crisis here.

 

[Bogard]

If that's the case then the same can be said for Sanji. Any opponent Zoro can defeat Sanji can too. Smh

It's always "can" with Sanji, but let's not turn this thread into this. I only gave my opinion, so no need to cry about it

 

[nanadaime]

Due to actual feats I'd have to give it to zoro and sanji. Zoro alone has shown that he can fight an admiral I believe the only reason he didn't win against fujitora is because of his DF not taking away from his sword skills but zoro against a devil fruitless Fuji is childs play not to mention he cuts down mountains. Sanji however has kind of been disappointing me so far in these last arcs but correct me if I'm mistaken but vergo had the strongest CoA of the DD pirates so that made me unsure about his real strength but considering the up sanji hype over this arc I think he'll show his true strength at some point until then I'm still putting him just under zoro. With that being said seeing as how duke was able to stop Jake's trunk with no diff and me assuming that Duke vs Sanji, Zoro vs master Danni will use his normal attacks and fail then add fire maybe causing damage maybe but due to Duke's durability if he won it would be extremely high diff but if he doesn't he at least holds him off long enough for zoro to finish his fight. That being said I believe Zoro's match to end mid diff to mid-high diff because master seems like the straight forward type like zoro and that will be his down fall. Zoro will of course have a major issue with his agility and flexibility but as far as raw speed and power zoro takes this and if necessary he finishes the dog

 

[lelerskates]

Any opponent Zoro can defeat Sanji can too. Smh

lol hell no he cant.

 

[-Akuma-]

Zoro needs a better teammate i think. The dukes wins

Give Zoro Law and they still most likely lose.

 

[Tomato God]

See my other posts. Long story short luffy is at best slightly above inu and neko. Meaning zoro and sanji are below inu and neko. That's why...

I meant why is sanji not capable of defeating all of zoros opponents? I mean if oda came out and said that sanji was stronger than zoro we would have to accept it

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Because luffy said inurashi must be very strong. He doesnt say that about very many people at all. In fact the last guy he said that to was an admiral (not saying inu is admiral level though) also they held off jack for 5 days an opponent that luffy will likely only be able to defeat extreme diff and that opponent is crazy strong enough to think he can fight admirals and win, and he ought to be a heck of a lot stronger than doffy if he is to be the next opponent of luffy, doffy who luffy barely beat even with laws help.

The last few chapters have been nothing but jack hype and here we see two people who are likely equal to him if not barely below. This guy is crazier and stronger than doffy. Inu and neko are very strong to be able to hold him off. Even if luffy is stronger currentely, zoro and sanji arent stronger for sure.

tbh we don't even know if jack is stronger than doffy, as luffy had technically lost to doffy in 1v1 even in gear 4.

But yeah, if we assume that he is the second strongest after kaido(which is possible after all the hype) then I can see your point.

 

[ToshiZO]

Your mistaken. Nobody (and this was actually stated by Wanda) was able to fight on par with Jack. They could hold him back but that's it, not to mention the constant six hours recovery time each and every mink got. No way the minks could have done it without that factor. Jack still would have won even without the poison gas weapon. If Jack really is the main villain of this arc then luffy WILL be able to defeat him and IMO that puts the cat and dog below him. But not by too much, which puts them on par with? Zoro.

Now why I say Zoro is on par with Sanji is simple. Notice Zoro always gets the second strongest opponent of the arc. Sanji gets the third strongest opponent. But somehow, Sanji always beats his opponents on a lower difficultly than Zoro. Why? Because his equal to Zoro. If he had Zoro's opponent then obviously a higher diff would be required to beat the guy. But Zoro gets the second strongest simply because his "first mate" and "vice captain".

This is why I say that they are in same tier but Zoro has slight upper hand.

EDIT : You might want to avoid double posting like that. You could get an infraction. Happened to me. Instead combine all quotes in one post.

That dumb logic can be applied to the entire M3.

Luffy gets strongest enemy beats him extreme diff
Zoro gets second strongest beats easier diff than Luffy
Sanji gets third strongest beats easier diff than Zoro.

I don't hear you saying Zoro is Luffy's equal now do I?

 

[ssjelf]

I meant why is sanji not capable of defeating all of zoros opponents? I mean if oda came out and said that sanji was stronger than zoro we would have to accept it

I am just talking about currently, I suppose it is possible that sanji beats pica but I dont think sanji has shown anything capable of dealing with pica's golem. And lets say we did, sanji I don't think has been shown fighting someone with hardened haki or full body haki
and actually do well. It it possible he is stronger than pica, but based only off of what we have seen I have to say he can't.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

People r saying the minks weren't on par with Jack is stupid... Neither party main fighters could get clean hit off of each other for multiple days .. That in its self says something


Now the minks did switch out every12 hours but not cuz they need too.. But because of thier prior history which did not allow them to fight together ...

Both dukes were able to fight on par with Jack evenly as well as seperatly so much that Jack literally could not get upper hand on them which lead him to use weapon to do so...

Now with that being said if both said parties (meaning dukes and thier minks) fought Jack together logically without that weapon they should've been able to take him out but because of thier rivalry they wouldn't... I say this because each mink showed just the same amount of battle prowess as jack did... Now them together should be enough to handle him (without weapon) just from a logical standpoint ... Simply because Jack couldn't get through either party


So to me they r on the same level that Jack is ...


Now I will say this Jack def is portrayed to b a stamina beast because until proven otherwise he didn't have any breaks against the minks... Though one could argue that the minks DID NOT NEED breaks they took it because of thier treaty of one duke running the day while the other runs the night etc.. But at this point we cannot gouge thier stamina unlike jacks


What can be stated is that each duke can evenly fight with jack for long periods of time which there for makes them on the same level in terms of fighting even if they don't have as much stamina as Jack does they still can fight him for a very long time in which he cannot land clean hit which like said before speaks volumes (they couldn't get one on Jack either which further proves how strong they r cuz someone even with superior stamina had to resort to using a poison weapon to actually do them in instead of legit beating them..)