Neji was right...

[Callypigia]

I just realized that Neji's misguided belief that fate determines who is considered a genius and who will be a failure was correct. During the Chuunin exam fights he told Naruto that we cannot escape fate: Naruto would forever be a loser, and Neji would forever be a slave to the head branch of the Hyuuga. Then of course, Naruto changed Neji's life and beliefs when he beat him. Ironically though, Neji was right. Naruto was the son of the 4th Hokage and the reincarnation of Asura. Fate had already determined that Naruto would be great. Lee is a good example of Neji's belief. He works and trains every day much harder than Naruto, but now he can't even hold a candle to him. Sasuke, Madara, Hashirama, Naruto, Nagato, they all had gifts and skills from birth that instantly put them in a league of their own. Characters like Hinata, Sakura, Tenten, Lee, and Kiba train hard, and are strong in their own right, but will never be on the same level as Naruto and Sasuke.

I think Kishi wanted to create an inspiring story to help underdogs build self-confidence, but it got lost in the plot changes. Of course logically there is a flaw with it because if an underdog can fight against fate and grow to become the strongest, then fate had already decided it to be that way and the underdog was never an underdog.

 

[HENI]

Yes indeed, my friend.

 

[Mellow]

2nd paragraph made me think a lil lol

 

[Swomp]

Yep Kishi destroyed his own theme.

 

[Tobi98]

Naruto didn't really prove Neji wrong in the Chunnin Exams either way, as Naruto used Kyuubi so Neji was the underdog there

So that underdog part is bullshit when it comes to Naruto, but lets no forget Guy and Lee

 

[EVlL]

so in the end, fate will always be there. and one cant really really change the fate.

 

[scorezor]

why are you copying KOL? :|

 

[BLAZE]

Lee and Gai though

 

[evilmayo]

so in the end, fate will always be there. and one cant really really change the fate.

every man(mayo) is in charge of their own fate

 

[paratise]

Naruto didn't really prove Neji wrong in the Chunnin Exams either way, as Naruto used Kyuubi so Neji was the underdog there

So that underdog part is bullshit when it comes to Naruto, but lets no forget Guy and Lee

This. It is flabbergasting how Naruto preaches on taking the hard way by constantly leeching on other things.

 

[BloodSeed]

I just realized that Neji's misguided belief that fate determines who is considered a genius and who will be a failure was correct. During the Chuunin exam fights he told Naruto that we cannot escape fate: Naruto would forever be a loser, and Neji would forever be a slave to the head branch of the Hyuuga. Then of course, Naruto changed Neji's life and beliefs when he beat him. Ironically though, Neji was right. Naruto was the son of the 4th Hokage and the reincarnation of Asura. Fate had already determined that Naruto would be great. Lee is a good example of Neji's belief. He works and trains every day much harder than Naruto, but now he can't even hold a candle to him. Sasuke, Madara, Hashirama, Naruto, Nagato, they all had gifts and skills from birth that instantly put them in a league of their own. Characters like Hinata, Sakura, Tenten, Lee, and Kiba train hard, and are strong in their own right, but will never be on the same level as Naruto and Sasuke.

I think Kishi wanted to create an inspiring story to help underdogs build self-confidence, but it got lost in the plot changes. Of course logically there is a flaw with it because if an underdog can fight against fate and grow to become the strongest, then fate had already decided it to be that way and the underdog was never an underdog.

how many times people make about this thread over and over again.

 

[Gagster]

This must be the 45th time I've seen this thread. And I'm tired of explaining why this is wrong.

 

[JackelLord]

Agreed. The Theme about 'Changing you're own Destiny' got negated and destroyed every since Naruto was prophesied by the Elder Toad to be the one to 'change to world' and also the fact Naruto is the 4th Hokage's Son and the reincarnation of the Sage of Six Path's Son, Ashura.

Naruto was always Destined for Greatness. So, even though Neji was wrong about Naruto being a 'failure', his mentality about Destiny was 100% correct.

I know people like to use Lee and Gai as argument against this, but if you think about it; The cost of using the Eighth gate of Death is Death however there is no such cost when Naruto and Sasuke are using their new Jesus abilities. As a result, For Lee and Gai to achieve great power, they'll be destined to die. That's not the same for Naruto and Sasuke.

 

[Dãrth1]

Agree, poor Neji, Naruto was born to be great, he had the Kurama in him, he was the son of the 4th hokage, Asura's reincarnation, and look at Lee, he's weaker than Sakura

 

[MinaButt]

Its hard not to agree with Neji. The child of prohecy concept and onward killed the underdog and 'change your destiny' theme in this series. The reincarnation for powerup nonsense just spit on their graves. XD

 

[Flakez]

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Thanks.

Also this is wrong.

 

[ClarifyingThings]

Lee and Gai though

Where are lee and gai?, Lee was stronger then Naruto and sasuke, in part 1, then look what happen?, Lee didn't get as strong as them, because he didn't have a "Nine tailed fox, or a sharigan, and he wasn't from a powerful clan, so again a ordinary person couldn't become a powerful hero and same with Gai, when he uses 8 gates, he'll become powerful, and then die, so its a lost from him as-well, so overall it still shows that you can't be "Ordinary", to make it big

 

[I Don]

He was neither right nor wrong. It all depends on belief of an individual. If one believes in the destiny he will connect every action of a person as his destiny disregarding his efforts and name it as his fate and if one doesn't believes in it, he'll always give credit to efforts of the individual and will say that he changed his destiny.

So in the end, Kishimoto played the right card as one just simply can't actually say what is right and what is wrong until he gets enlightened

 

[Honord Sage]

Wrong so long as a person can choose to do or not do something, as long as a person can go right instead of left their is free will and fate can be challenge and overcome. Now Madara's dream world thats the only place fate rules.

 

[raziel777]

I like it when people enter a thread, scream " WRONG!!" and immediately depart. Cool story

@OT

Maybe, but wasn't the only thing guiding Naruto. What if he had given up ?

What if Hinata hadn't slap him ? He would have taken the hand Obito offered him.

Ashura was the underdog yet he managed to gain power equal that of his brother. I know, he was Hagoromo's son so he had the hidden potential but potential doesn't mean shit without the attitude to back it up.

I think that's where Kishi is going. Stand up for yourself and your beliefs and act accordingly, no mater how high the obstacles in front of you may seem