Neji was 100% correct!

[assface3]

Sad but true, one of the few reason's why i miss part one.

This about sums it up.

Neji was a true genius - both in fighting and in intellect.

 

[End of Days]

totally original thread you got here newbie

prophecy=/=destiny

best example to understand this is harry potter
in the hall of prophecy there are thousands of prophecy, but not all of them are fulfilled, why? because the ones they concern took different choices

same thing here, the prophecy by the old toad only tells what will happen if naruto decides on a certain path, it doesnt tell the future, the future isnt set in stone
even the toad didnt see that both nagato and naruto would together bring about a revoution

Naruto did not say, oh i have the prophecy i donot have to work on my jutsus
Naruto did not say, oh i have the prophecy i donot need to take my enemies seriously

Never has he relied on it, but instead made his own path, along with others that he changed

Neji is the drama queen who would sit on his ass and cry about what he didnt have and would not try to get it through hard work and instead blame the destiny

Naruto is the brat who has the never give up attitude and would turn his weakness to his strength through hard work and would not play the blame game

Get it newbie?

Destiny and prophecy are two different things.
Destiny is what is planned out for you in life regardless of your actions. A prophecy is a telling of what will happen in your life based on what you've accomplished. Its more like a prediction.
Naruto wasn't destined to become the world's savior. That's only what the sage toad predicted.

Thank God, there is at least one other person who gets it

 

[NarutoB]

totally original thread you got here newbie

prophecy=/=destiny

best example to understand this is harry potter
in the hall of prophecy there are thousands of prophecy, but not all of them are fulfilled, why? because the ones they concern took different choices

same thing here, the prophecy by the old toad only tells what will happen if naruto decides on a certain path, it doesnt tell the future, the future isnt set in stone
even the toad didnt see that both nagato and naruto would together bring about a revoution

Naruto did not say, oh i have the prophecy i donot have to work on my jutsus
Naruto did not say, oh i have the prophecy i donot need to take my enemies seriously

Never has he relied on it, but instead made his own path, along with others that he changed

Neji is the drama queen who would sit on his ass and cry about what he didnt have and would not try to get it through hard work and instead blame the destiny

Naruto is the brat who has the never give up attitude and would turn his weakness to his strength through hard work and would not play the blame game

Get it newbie?



Thank God, there is at least one other person who gets it

I get it

*wipes tear from my right eye*

 

[Dannie]

Destiny and prophecy are two different things.
Destiny is what is planned out for you in life regardless of your actions. A prophecy is a telling of what will happen in your life based on what you've accomplished. Its more like a prediction.
Naruto wasn't destined to become the world's savior. That's only what the sage toad predicted.
It's clear that Naruto, and at some extent, Sasuke both worked hard, so how has the meaning of work ethics been destroyed in Naruto?

So you are going against what the toad sage said? Do you think that Kiba or Sakura will be the savior of the world then? Dude, use your head and think for once. The great lord elder stated that Naruto would meet an octopus. Guess what? He met the octopus.
You are implying that it is simply a prediction, but it is likely that it will happen since he hasn't been wrong yet. An individual with strong eyes will fight Naruto. That will most definitely happen too.

It seems you are missing what I'm trying to say. If Naruto is the reincarnation of Ashura while being born with immense power, then how is that not destroying the meaning of hardwork?

 

[KingHashirama]

So you are going against what the toad sage said? Do you think that Kiba or Sakura will be the savior of the world then? Dude, use your head and think for once. The great lord elder stated that Naruto would meet an octopus. Guess what? He met the octopus.
You are implying that it is simply a prediction, but it is likely that it will happen since he hasn't been wrong yet. An individual with strong eyes will fight Naruto. That will most definitely happen too.

It seems you are missing what I'm trying to say. If Naruto is the reincarnation of Ashura while being born with immense power, then how is that not destroying the meaning of hardwork?

What is the savior of the world?

You can take out the previous generation.. there might not be a world.. take out Hashirama/Minato/Tobirama and etc hell Naruto wouldn't exist.. so what exactly is the savior of the world.


The Rikudou is talking from a one-sided point of view.

 

[Dannie]

totally original thread you got here newbie

prophecy=/=destiny

best example to understand this is harry potter
in the hall of prophecy there are thousands of prophecy, but not all of them are fulfilled, why? because the ones they concern took different choices

same thing here, the prophecy by the old toad only tells what will happen if naruto decides on a certain path, it doesnt tell the future, the future isnt set in stone
even the toad didnt see that both nagato and naruto would together bring about a revoution

Naruto did not say, oh i have the prophecy i donot have to work on my jutsus
Naruto did not say, oh i have the prophecy i donot need to take my enemies seriously

Never has he relied on it, but instead made his own path, along with others that he changed

Neji is the drama queen who would sit on his ass and cry about what he didnt have and would not try to get it through hard work and instead blame the destiny

Naruto is the brat who has the never give up attitude and would turn his weakness to his strength through hard work and would not play the blame game

Get it newbie?



Thank God, there is at least one other person who gets it

Nice, it seems I rustled your jimmies.
I never said that Destiny = prophecy. I said his path (that he will follow) leads to numerous power ups and whatnot.

My point still stands that the theme of hardowrk is rather lost, now that the Sage of Six Paths is talking to him.

Understand prick?

 

[Yolobito Swagchiha]

totally original thread you got here newbie

prophecy=/=destiny

best example to understand this is harry potter
in the hall of prophecy there are thousands of prophecy, but not all of them are fulfilled, why? because the ones they concern took different choices

same thing here, the prophecy by the old toad only tells what will happen if naruto decides on a certain path, it doesnt tell the future, the future isnt set in stone
even the toad didnt see that both nagato and naruto would together bring about a revoution

Naruto did not say, oh i have the prophecy i donot have to work on my jutsus
Naruto did not say, oh i have the prophecy i donot need to take my enemies seriously

Never has he relied on it, but instead made his own path, along with others that he changed

Neji is the drama queen who would sit on his ass and cry about what he didnt have and would not try to get it through hard work and instead blame the destiny

Naruto is the brat who has the never give up attitude and would turn his weakness to his strength through hard work and would not play the blame game

Get it newbie?



Thank God, there is at least one other person who gets it

That's why Neji was one of the strongest Hyuuga at the age of 13 even while being a member of the branch house, which meant he wasn't directly taught half of their techs, right newbie?

 

[GhostProject]

I agree with the point of this thread, definitely see where it is coming from and I think the whole absolute reincarnation thing kind of went against the previous hard-work idea, but I do have a counter-argument that might make this whole thing seem a bit better.

Ashura and Indra are destined to fight forever essentially.

Naruto and Sasuke are changing their destiny by teaming up instead.

 

[hixa kuogame]

So you are going against what the toad sage said? Do you think that Kiba or Sakura will be the savior of the world then? Dude, use your head and think for once. The great lord elder stated that Naruto would meet an octopus. Guess what? He met the octopus.
You are implying that it is simply a prediction, but it is likely that it will happen since he hasn't been wrong yet. An individual with strong eyes will fight Naruto. That will most definitely happen too.

It seems you are missing what I'm trying to say. If Naruto is the reincarnation of Ashura while being born with immense power, then how is that not destroying the meaning of hardwork?

The toad can see the future. The only way the future can be acted on is if something is done to make a prophecy come true.
Same goes for Naruto being the reincarnation. Just because he's the reincarnation doesn't mean power is just gonna come to him if he's sitting on his ass. How effective of a reincarnation of Ashura would Naruto be if he didn't train to get sage mode, or KCM, or if he didn't become friends with Kurama? Anyone can make a prophecy, the key is acting on it. If I predict that I'm going to make a sandwich, then thats the prophecy. The sandwich isn't going to make itself. I need to make the sandwich. By making the sandwich, the prophecy will be fulfilled. If it were my destiny to make a sandwich then regardless of what I do the sandwich will be made.
Naruto met Killer Bee by traveling to the island. Naruto will fight Sasuke. This is because procedures will be performed or were performed causing these events to transpire/transpired. Again it didn't happen just because it happened.

Even in Sasukes case. He didn't gain MS by doing absolutely nothing. He didn't gain EMS by doing absolutely nothing. He *killed Itachi and took his eyes. It might not have exactly been hard work but he didn't get the just because it was his destiny and he was supposed to.
That's what Neji is saying. Regardless of what Naruto did he'd be a failure and that was just his destiny. That's obviously wrong.

5,555 post!!

 

[KingHashirama]

That's why Neji was one of the strongest Hyuuga at the age of 13 even while being a member of the branch house, which meant he wasn't directly taught half of their techs, right newbie?

, I don't recall him being put on top of the jounin Hyuuga.. what the f*ck.. when he was a chunin. He was the most talented hyuuga of his age and so on. But one of the strongest at that young age? noo..

 

[Dannie]

, I don't recall him being put on top of the jounin Hyuuga.. what the f*ck.. when he was a chunin. He was the most talented hyuuga of his age and so on. But one of the strongest at that young age? noo..

You're still missing the point that he was a strong prodigy of his age group and being a part of the side branch (like Yoloswag said) he obviously has talent. I believe even Kakashi called him a genius.

 

[KingHashirama]

You're still missing the point that he was a strong prodigy of his age group and being a part of the side branch (like Yoloswag said) he obviously has talent. I believe even Kakashi called him a genius.

Because he worked his ass off.

Kakashi even called Lee a Genius and discredited all of Lee's hardwork. And Lee is far more talented than Neji.... lol. But i'm not seeing anyone mention him..

Also, did you read the scans i posted in the other post? I believe they woudl help you understand our point better.

 

[take it easy]

1.lets be honest. failure vs genius was actual theme only for rock lee and never for naruto

 

[Owarij]

1.lets be honest. failure vs genius was actual theme only for rock lee and never for naruto

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I never really got the whole Naruto Hardwork thing. Maybe it's just me but I just didn't see it. I saw him train, but definitely not as hard as others. I saw him utilize his god given genes and birthright chakra levels to learn a fuuton ability in genius level time when it would have taken someone else multiple years. I saw him train hard for Sage mode, but even then, how long did it take for him to master it? I might be wrong but it seemed like some days ??? , when Jiraya took Years and still couldn't master it..

HardWork? I wouldn't go so far. Sure he has trained, but his genes and naturally high chakra reserves put him at an advantage over many shinobi. And though he may not grasp concepts as fast as Sasuke or Kakashi. He always somehow ends up learning it faster than the average ninja anyway


The only real Hardwoker in this show is Lee, who had to do thousands of pushups etc etc to even become relevant. It's too bad kishi ditched the whole Hardwork beats Genius theme in part 2 . Then it became who has the better genetics or descended from moon bunnies

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

Naruto character theme is destroyed from the moment he became the chosen prophecy which worsen the quality for the rest of the series. By all mean, Naruto used to be my favorite but his hardwork completely gone to waste since with the reincarnation BS

1. It Undermine his development

2. Destroy fundamental aspect that makes up Naruto character

3. Ruined central theme and ideas of Naruto Series

It's clearly been foreshadowed Naruto being reincarnated of the SO6P and getting loads of BS Powerup because he was always destined to become the "chosen one" from the moment he was born.

Rock Lee is the most underdog in this series busting his ass to anybody and look where he is barely getting any screen time compare to Naruto right now getting the power of a god.

However this is an old news mate, I'm not disappointed with Naruto since I've fed up with him a long time, so I don't really care with Naruto the way he is.

 

[hixa kuogame]

Naruto character theme is destroyed from the moment he became the chosen prophecy which worsen the quality for the rest of the series. By all mean, Naruto used to be my favorite but his hardwork completely gone to waste since with the reincarnation BS

1. It Undermine his development

2. Destroy fundamental aspect that makes up Naruto character

3. Ruined central theme and ideas of Naruto Series

It's clearly been foreshadowed Naruto being reincarnated of the SO6P and getting loads of BS Powerup because he was always destined to become the "chosen one" from the moment he was born.

Rock Lee is the most underdog in this series busting his ass to anybody and look where he is barely getting any screen time compare to Naruto right now getting the power of a god.

However this is an old news mate, I'm not disappointed with Naruto since I've fed up with him a long time, so I don't really care with Naruto the way he is.

How does noruto being the reincarnation change anything? What BS power ups has he gotten?

 

[KingHashirama]

1.lets be honest. failure vs genius was actual theme only for rock lee and never for naruto

Time to watch the Neji fight again...

Naruto was a more of a failure than rock lee at that point.. sorry..

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

How does noruto being the reincarnation change anything? What BS power ups has he gotten?

First of all, when Naruto was introduced into the series, his ideals is all about "Hard work" by proving everyone he could climb up to become the Hokage so that he could be acknowledge by some people that looks down on him by his "Own Hand". His Ninja way never goes back his word once he makes up his mind, he's always strives to be the best by his Guts and Sheer Luck.

Take a look at the example with Naruto Vs Neji : When Naruto was struggling a match with his opponent, Neji stated that you cannot change your destiny, " Once a failure always a failure" .

Naruto was unwillingly accept his ideology that was bound inescapable fate, Naruto went on defeat Neji by proving that you can change destiny.

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Now Naruto ends up being some child of destiny/prophecy. After everything Naruto went through about making your own destiny and not letting yourself be controlled by fate, it turns out that Naruto himself is someone automatically “destined for greatness”. Not only that, he is the son of one of the most powerful shinobi in his village’s history.

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Neji was totally and absolute right, Naruto was always destined to be the "Chosen Savior". Naruto is reincarnated Sage of the 6th Path Bloodline. Having Naruto destined to be the ninja messiah removed a lot of the things that was built on in this series like at this point, Naruto doesn't fail in at least one aspect.

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There's no conflict within this character which is a damn shame when you take look at everyone else, They were portrayed as people who failed as Shinobi.

Just like his recent fight with Obito when Naruto stated that you can't take "Shortcuts" yet he was self contradicted when he's getting all these constant powerups he's getting that automatically destined to become the "Chosen Prophecy".

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This completely backfired his character because Hardwork is not about taking "Shortcuts"

This chapter alone proves from what Hagoromo said, that the chosen propecy has come to change the world and that Naruto is Ashura Successor while sasuke is Indra successor and because of that, their ideology always destined to fight

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[Reraru]

Destiny can't be changed that's right I have personal experience in it .. It can be changed just a little bit with hard work. Dattebayo!

 

[Darkakatsuki]

This is why Neji was killed. Just imagine Neji's reaction of he sees Naruto all op and prophetic and realizes he was right all along.

Kishi needed to exterminate him because neji's presence made it too obvious that kishi was going against part 1 themes and thus was a bad writer

Hahaha! Wow so true. I wonder if it was coincidence or if this really is what Kishi was thinking when he killed off Neji