^ Those facts can be challenged by Kabuto, who was the omniscient plot device there. Your so-called facts are just theories with decent argumentation on the other side as well. By the way, nothing you said is a unknown factor. Stop acting smug. You didn't prove anyone wrong. Now either get back to the discussion, or stop throwing around silly, kiddish, snide remarks.
[VS] Neji vs Sasuke
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You argue with manga facts and have no proof of your own?
Poor debating skills my friend, I can back up all my claims if you want, with manga scans, statements and DB info. Please stop your speculation and provide proof for your arguments :|
Don't be a noob
fastrthnwind
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He could definitely keep it up for long enough to negate any damage that would be done to him. That's as long as he needs it for. No longer, no shorter. Hah, Neji was reacting just fine to Naruto under the influence of kurama just fine as well back in part 1. H was only caught off guard in the end cause his arrogance got in the way and turned off his byakugan.
They even have the same speed stat of 4.5 so there is no speed difference.
^ What facts? Did Nagato actually absorb Amaterasu that incidentally falls in another category as well, and is not ninjutsu alone? Kabuto chose ST to repel it. That is Kishimoto's tactic to illustrate something; a Rinnegan counter for Amaterasu. Sure, your scanerio has weight as well, but so does the counter argument, This thread isn't about Nagato. Make a thread and argue there. I am done on this front.
@Wind Wasn't Naruto being over-whelmed by Kurama at that point? While in his fight with Neji, he definitely looked himself to me. Compared to Naruto, Sasuke has a load of things up his sleeves; Kenjutsu, Shuriken Jutsu, 6 Raiton attacks, and 3 Katon attacks, together with 3T Sharingan that grants him genjutsu as well. Also, Sasuke reacted to V1 A and Bee just fine.
Vacuum Palm is countered with 3T and dealt with Kusagani or Nagashi with ease. Neji can be paralyzed at close range. Data book stats mean jack. Hidan has lower Taijutsu stats than Kakashi and Asuma. Yet he handed Asuma's ass to him, whilst evading shadows and gave Kakashi with Sharingan such a hard time.
Vacuum Palm is countered with 3T and dealt with Kusagani or Nagashi with ease. Neji can be paralyzed at close range. Data book stats mean jack. Hidan has lower Taijutsu stats than Kakashi and Asuma. Yet he handed Asuma's ass to him, whilst evading shadows and gave Kakashi with Sharingan such a hard time.
fastrthnwind
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He was in control both times. He was only overwhelmed by Kuramas will at the fourth tail though Kuramas will becomes more present with each tail.
Sasuke is an alrounder, yes but Neji has counters to his abilities. Rotation happens to cover a wide range of those abilities, and is only truly chakra draining when prolonging the use of it.
Vacuum Palm cant be dealt with kusanagi or magashi because its a chakra attack and those can only block physical attacks. Neji can use one body blow close range as well. Databooks means something because its written by kishi and is the only stats we can go off of until a fourth one comes out.
Hidan's taijutsu stats are the exact same as Kakashis and Asumas, a 4.5. What are you talking about? Hidan is special because he doesn't need to worry anout being hurt unlike the others who have to since they are mortal.
Red eyes, nails, protruding canines, and prominent whiskers? Did he have them when he was fighting Neji?
Who said it will be dealt with in this manner? I said it can be evaded and due to close combat, he's left vulnerable to counter attack from Nagashi.
I am pretty sure his speed stats are lower, which is a huge factor in overall Taijutsu maneuvers.
Who said it will be dealt with in this manner? I said it can be evaded and due to close combat, he's left vulnerable to counter attack from Nagashi.
I am pretty sure his speed stats are lower, which is a huge factor in overall Taijutsu maneuvers.
Neji contains the byakugan. We know that pressure builds in the eye before a user uses amaterasu, therefore neji is able to predict the attack and use his heavenly rotation. After this, Neji ***** slaps sasuke with vacuum air palm. Sasuke can't escape this attack, nor can he block it as it's an attack using air pressure. We know that sasuke is fast and versed in taijutsu, so he'd be able to roflstomp neji with this.
... Nope, just kidding. Sasuke is both unable to outspeed neji, and unable to flank him. The 360 degree vision of the byakugan is able to view the entire battlefield. But, wait, sasuke has a hawk right? Not anymore, vacuum palm. Bye, bye birdy. But, seriously, this bird would be of little help as it'd only allow sasuke to waste time in the air until neji eventually kills it with a vacuum palm.
Sasuke's skill in ninja tool and kenjutsu is nullified here. Heavely rotation blocks him before he even gets within striking range, and shuriken are easily blocked with rotation, heavely palm or blocking. Sasuke's worse move (but only option in this fight) would be to engage neji in taijutsu. But, from there he is effectively screwed. Neji will begin to block off his chakra points one after the other. At this point, sasuke is within range and it's time for an 8 trigram. By the time this is over, sasuke is done for. Without his chakra, it's unlikely he'd be able to even keep the sharingan active.
Without Susano*, Sasuke would lose this fight.
Katons - Heavenly rotation or vacuum palm
Amaterasu - Heavenly rotation. The flames accumulate on the surrounding chakra without ever touching neji
Shuriken - ineffective
taijutsu - worst move as neji will hit chakra points in close combat
Kenjutsu - would never get the chance to hit neji through his high speed hand movements and skill with taijutsu.
Sharingan - The precognition abilities of the sharingan are not as valuable as the abilities offered by the byakugan. Nor can it be used effectively to keep up with neji in close quarter taijutsu.
genjutsu - unlikely to affect a byakugan due to it's heightened field of vision and it's abilities to see all the way through to the chakra system. Any disruptions in chakra would be easily seen through with a byakugan
In summary? Sasuke wins. My defence for amaterasu was bullshit, and I also intentionally omitted chidori if you, even caught on to that. It's unlikely neji would be able to block a chidori lance, or able to rotate long enough to completely block amaterasu - this assumes neji is even aware of amaterasu to try to block it. Other than that, Neji could possibly have a chance to counter all else sasuke has.
... Nope, just kidding. Sasuke is both unable to outspeed neji, and unable to flank him. The 360 degree vision of the byakugan is able to view the entire battlefield. But, wait, sasuke has a hawk right? Not anymore, vacuum palm. Bye, bye birdy. But, seriously, this bird would be of little help as it'd only allow sasuke to waste time in the air until neji eventually kills it with a vacuum palm.
Sasuke's skill in ninja tool and kenjutsu is nullified here. Heavely rotation blocks him before he even gets within striking range, and shuriken are easily blocked with rotation, heavely palm or blocking. Sasuke's worse move (but only option in this fight) would be to engage neji in taijutsu. But, from there he is effectively screwed. Neji will begin to block off his chakra points one after the other. At this point, sasuke is within range and it's time for an 8 trigram. By the time this is over, sasuke is done for. Without his chakra, it's unlikely he'd be able to even keep the sharingan active.
Without Susano*, Sasuke would lose this fight.
Katons - Heavenly rotation or vacuum palm
Amaterasu - Heavenly rotation. The flames accumulate on the surrounding chakra without ever touching neji
Shuriken - ineffective
taijutsu - worst move as neji will hit chakra points in close combat
Kenjutsu - would never get the chance to hit neji through his high speed hand movements and skill with taijutsu.
Sharingan - The precognition abilities of the sharingan are not as valuable as the abilities offered by the byakugan. Nor can it be used effectively to keep up with neji in close quarter taijutsu.
genjutsu - unlikely to affect a byakugan due to it's heightened field of vision and it's abilities to see all the way through to the chakra system. Any disruptions in chakra would be easily seen through with a byakugan
In summary? Sasuke wins. My defence for amaterasu was bullshit, and I also intentionally omitted chidori if you, even caught on to that. It's unlikely neji would be able to block a chidori lance, or able to rotate long enough to completely block amaterasu - this assumes neji is even aware of amaterasu to try to block it. Other than that, Neji could possibly have a chance to counter all else sasuke has.
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Well Neji's Byakugyan should be able to tell him when sasuke is building up chakra for amertarasu and if he has intel on what it is and does . he could repel it for a while with rotation .... However Sasuke's Superior ninjutsu give him the edge here ...seeing as they have both 4.5's in speed Sasuke should be able to avoid neji's gentle fist for the most part ...
fastrthnwind
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Yes he did. He always has those when using Kuramas chakra.
Nagashi can be countered with one body blow or rotation.
^ I'll get back to you once I confirm it tomorrow. His features are actually more prominent when Kurama's chakra and influence is more overwhelming.
After evasion when he is open to attack? I hardly doubt that.
After evasion when he is open to attack? I hardly doubt that.
fastrthnwind
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His byakugan can see the chakra network, chakra flow, and chakra color. Im pretty sure that he could see it coming and then react accordingly.
Nagato The Sage
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Naruto didn't have any appearance change in his fight with Neji.
Yes, Sasuke at the Begining of part 2 without CS can beat Neji. He can use projectiles like Katon to force Neji to use Rotation and then Shunshin in on the cool down. Sasuke also would be faster based on feats, DB scores can't be taken that literally. Sasuke and Deidara both had 4.5's and Sasuke was still faster.
Sasuke also has Genjutsu. Your whole eyelid theory won't work as they are still perceiving the eye in real time. Sasuke's Raiton could probably even cut through Rotation as Rasengan has shown to be more powerful than said defense and Chidori stood its ground against it.
With Sharingan all if Neji's Taijutsu can be countered. Neji would even be at the disadvantage due to Raiton infused Kenjutsu.
fastrthnwind
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I'm going to tear this argument apart later, there is SO much wrong with it, yet I got some stuff to do.
DemonicAvenger
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I also believe that Sasuke at the beggining of Shippuden without the Curse Seal could have beaten War Arc Neji. Though NTS's reasoning is somewhat vague and some points are off
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I was completely right on that facial transformation. This:
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is very different from this
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which is more along the lines of how Naruto reacted to Haku
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. Haku was barely able to react to an immense speed and was grabbed and punched
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. He baically called upon the chakra
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. Neji confessed the great increase in his speed
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. He barely reacted to it
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. Check out the difference in the healing speed which is incredibily fast - his wounds healed right in the blink of an eye - his reflex and reaction speed, together with his over all body speed. I am sorry but there is a huge difference. Sasuke was unable to react to it in 2T
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. As soon as his three T awoke
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he was able to see Naruto in this form in slow motion
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. Secondly, Sasuke was STILL able to react to Naruto himself even in his cloaked form, the only think he counldn't react to was the chakra that was moving on its own -
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. He reacted and pulled away and used a Katon attack to hinder his movements -
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.There is no way Neji is hitting him, when he barely reacted to Naruto's small speed boost compared to this form. I will post the remaining argument at night.
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As 3T provides a Large reaction window and varied Chakra detection at such an advanced level. Sasuke will easily see the 64 palm and the Chakra release for Rotation. He easily dodges it and strikes in the cool down period wity Chidori spear that is 5 meters long. Or even Senbon from a distance to hit Neji's vitals. This process can be repeated over and over again, till Neji will be simply out of chakra. 3T Sasuke is clearly much superior.
As 3T provides a Large reaction window and varied Chakra detection at such an advanced level. Sasuke will easily see the 64 palm and the Chakra release for Rotation. He easily dodges it and strikes in the cool down period wity Chidori spear that is 5 meters long. Or even Senbon from a distance to hit Neji's vitals. This process can be repeated over and over again, till Neji will be simply out of chakra. 3T Sasuke is clearly much superior.
Neji's control of chakra here is heavily underrated. Even as a kid when he was fighting Kidomaru and he had stopped his heavenly spin rotation he was still able to give off chakra and block the arrow. As an adult his ability to deflect many attacks just by giving off chakra is highly amplified. I believe that Neji could block and deflect almost anything Sasuke throws at him. I'm not saying Neji wins but it would be a very tough fight for Sasuke to win without Susanoo, if he even could.