[VS] neji vs haku

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current neji(prior to death) vs haku

both healthy and have the intent to kill who would win guys.

i am leaning towards neji and i am interested in your opinion :yeah:
 

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If haku can get off his Ice Mirrors/dome before neji blocks his chakra points, then haku wins.

Since with his demon mirrors he moves pretty damn close to S/T levels of speed and transports himself almost instantly between mirrors at will. Aiming for a vital organs, simulating death with a needle to the neck (like he did with zabuza) should do the trick.
Neji cannot rotate in time when fighting that level of speed.
 

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Neji wins handily.

Haku would probably get defeated outside of ice mirrors anyway; kid Sasuke wo sharingan bested him in taijutsu; whom with sharingan was inferior to weighted Lee in taijutsu and the latter being inferior to Neji in cqc. 3 years over it; Neji got much better; Haku's all chakra points will be blocked thus get murked.
Even in ice mirrors; Neji can see 360 degrees around and rotation flicks away any type of projectile to Haku even in ice mirrors. Not to mention airplams and the fact that gentle fist can distrupt chakra-based formations; meaning ice mirrors themselves.
 

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Neji wins handily.

Haku would probably get defeated outside of ice mirrors anyway; kid Sasuke wo sharingan bested him in taijutsu; whom with sharingan was inferior to weighted Lee in taijutsu and the latter being inferior to Neji in cqc. 3 years over it; Neji got much better; Haku's all chakra points will be blocked thus get murked.
Even in ice mirrors; Neji can see 360 degrees around and rotation flicks away any type of projectile to Haku even in ice mirrors. Not to mention airplams.

I'd Agree out side of the Ice mirrors haku gets stomped but in the ice mirrors it's completely different story.

Due to the raw speed of moving from mirror to mirror, Even with 360 vision i simply can't see neji being able to react to haku's speed.
 

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If haku can get off his Ice Mirrors/dome before neji blocks his chakra points, then haku wins.

Since with his demon mirrors he moves pretty damn close to S/T levels of speed and transports himself almost instantly between mirrors at will. Aiming for a vital organs, simulating death with a needle to the neck (like he did with zabuza) should do the trick.
Neji cannot rotate in time when fighting that level of speed.

Agreed with this.

Really all depends on Haku's course of action. Engaging in CQC means she gets slaughtered. But unless Neji possesses the necessary reaction speed to coup with S/T ninjutsu, I don't see how Neji defeats Haku in the Ice Mirrors.

Inb4 Haku gets awfully underrated
 

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I'd Agree out side of the Ice mirrors haku gets stomped but in the ice mirrors it's completely different story.

Due to the raw speed of moving from mirror to mirror, Even with 360 vision i simply can't see neji being able to react to haku's speed.
Lee was able to block Haku when he was moving in ice mirrors:



Neji can react as well. Considering Lee's raw speed had never been enough for not eating 64 palms from Neji; and he needed gates (a much faster state than ice mirrors) to overcome it; Neji can very well react to Haku even in Ice mirrors.

Edit @ FT: Don't underrate mah byakugan master U_U.
 

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Lee was able to block Haku when he was moving in ice mirrors:



Neji can react as well. Considering Lee's raw speed had never been enough for not eating 64 palms from Neji; and he needed gates (a much faster state than ice mirrors) to overcome it; Neji can very well react to Haku even in Ice mirrors.

Edit @ FT: Don't underrate mah byakugan master U_U.

That isn't equivalent to the speed Haku has shown to travel when she is transporting from mirror to mirror.

@ Red: Haku is transporting around numerous times without that splash of water moving an inch.
@ Blue: Haku hit every single one of Narutos bunshins so fast that they all poofed simultaneously.

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Lee was able to block Haku when he was moving in ice mirrors:



Neji can react as well. Considering Lee's raw speed had never been enough for not eating 64 palms from Neji; and he needed gates (a much faster state than ice mirrors) to overcome it; Neji can very well react to Haku even in Ice mirrors.

Edit @ FT: Don't underrate mah byakugan master U_U.

The speed that Lee/Gai blocked wasn't his true speed, Haku's true speed comes from traveling from one mirror to another. The scans you posted haku wasn't traveling to another mirror.

Haku's speed while traveling between mirror is close to S/T levels, Throwing Senbon from every direction at almost the same time while transporting between mirrors
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Or this, Look at the spec of water and naruto in the bottem left
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Not only did haku make alot of movements, he took out all of naruto's clones and the real naruto before naruto's body or his clones even moved an inch or before the water spec moved, it was only after haku's attack finnished had the water actually dropped to the floor
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Indicating that Haku delt with naruto and his clones in an instant and made enough movements to deal with them all in an instant (like how minato took down whole squads with FTG).
 

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Since with his demon mirrors he moves pretty damn close to S/T levels of speed and transports himself almost instantly between mirrors at will.

Yeah well that's true, but a 2 tomoe sharingan could see his

And even nardo, with only slight nine tailed chakra relased

And casually intercepted his movement

I mean if nardo could do that in his nine tailed chakra releases mode, I'll assume neji could be more/less capable of doing or evading them since he was actually fighting with a nine tailed chakra relased nardo in the chuunin exams. (Accounting that naruto against haku was more enraged which could've possibly greatly augmented his power) but even so considering its post skip neji.

It can go either way tho, but seriously u people decide. I'm not in the mood to debate right now Lel
 

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That isn't equivalent to the speed Haku has shown to travel when she is transporting from mirror to mirror.
@ bold fuk?
Anyway Neji has great speed himself. And one can react to something faster than him/her due to attack pattern, skill and predictability. Sort of like how a boxer would own an athlete in a sparring handily.
@ Red: Haku is transporting around numerous times without that splash of water moving an inch.
@ Blue: Haku hit every single one of Narutos bunshins so fast that they all poofed simultaneously.

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Neji owned Narto clones in seconds with his . . . Speed feats against Naruto clones; when Neji already handled more experienced ones without even trying much and 3 years younger than the one mentioned in OP.

Not to mention as a taijutsu specealist. Linear movements in ice mirros would not be much; and Haku's stamina is severely inferior to Neji's (both by databook and ages)

. A kid Neji handled that Lee's speed and moveset.

Not to mention the almighty rotation:
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Its size is amazing; won't be a strech to say it can fill out the enclosed area in ice mirros and repel/break them with its force. 2 of them were able to push back Juubi's arm; mirros can get repelled and crushed by such force. Even if he won't fill the enclosed space; he can spin near a side and destroy that part of the mirrors.

Yeah well that's true, but a 2 tomoe sharingan could see his

And even nardo, with only slight nine tailed chakra relased

And casually intercepted his movement

I mean if nardo could do that in his nine tailed chakra releases mode, I'll assume neji could be more/less capable of doing or evading them since he was actually fighting with a nine tailed chakra relased nardo in the chuunin exams. (Accounting that naruto against haku was more enraged which could've possibly greatly augmented his power) but even so considering its post skip neji.

It can go either way tho, but seriously u people decide. I'm not in the mood to debate right now Lel
^yup and this.

And Neji was able too keep up with Naruto who leeched on Kurama's cloak (and a more experienced Naruto); unlike Haku:

And would emerge victorious from skirmish if he did not underestimate the blond gimmick and turned off his byakugan at last:


And that was child Neji.
 
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Interesting match up... I'll go will Haku though. 64 Palms can't hit what he can't see. That's like Neji trying to land 64 Palms on a Hachimon Lee. :<
 

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Interesting match up... I'll go will Haku though. 64 Palms can't hit what he can't see. That's like Neji trying to land 64 Palms on a Hachimon Lee. :<
Neji was able to see Lee in hachimon state; just sayin'. And gates' speed >> ice mirrors
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Though he can't touch Lee in that state.
 

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@ bold fuk?
Anyway Neji has great speed himself. And one can react to something faster than him/her due to attack pattern, skill and predictability. Sort of like how a boxer would own an athlete in a sparring handily.


Neji owned Narto clones in seconds with his . . . Speed feats against Naruto clones; when Neji already handled more experienced ones without even trying much and 3 years younger than the one mentioned in OP.

Not to mention as a taijutsu specealist. Linear movements in ice mirros would not be much; and Haku's stamina is severely inferior to Neji's (both by databook and ages)

. A kid Neji handled that Lee's speed and moveset.

Not to mention the almighty rotation:
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Its size is amazing; won't be a strech to say it can fill out the enclosed area in ice mirros and repel/break them with its force. 2 of them were able to push back Juubi's arm; mirros can get repelled and crushed by such force. Even if he won't fill the enclosed space; he can spin near a side and destroy that part of the mirrors.


^yup and this.

And Neji was able too keep up with Naruto who leeched on Kurama's cloak (and a more experienced Naruto); unlike Haku:

And would emerge victorious from skirmish if he did not underestimate the blond gimmick and turned off his byakugan at last:


And that was child Neji.

I refuse to believe Haku is a boy. The character would be so much better if he was actually girl, so I will refer to her as she.

Not necessarily. You out of everyone should know that just because you are able to read and predict someones movements, it doesn't guarantee that their body can react to it [ ]. If you're suggesting that Neji can react to Haku's top notch speed, then you're going to have to provide me with better manga scans demonstrating that he is capable enough to react to near instant S/T speed; because these aren't very sufficient, and simply don't compare to the one I provided.

I don't believe the rotations AoE is enough to effect whole dome formation. Not to mention, rotation deflects things, it doesn't break them. Also, Haku is able to analyze things and come up with a counter after seeing it once [ ] It wouldn't be much of a task for Haku to attack Neji between the intervals of stopping the rotation.

Haku wasn't able to best Naruto in his chakra cloak form because her speed was already declining as she doesn't have much stamina and the technique is quite chakra taxing.
 

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Some reaction feats from Neji:
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IGNORE 128 PALMS IN THIS VIDEO. I KNOW ITS NOT CANON.

[video]http://youtube.com/watch?v=me-v-VyptAc&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dme-v-VyptAc[/video]

These are the best reaction feats in the NV when it comes to reacting to multiple continuous attacks from all around instead of the usual one shot type burst attacks and this is without the help of his rotation, so im pretty sure that if doesnt start rotation right away that he will be able to at least defend himself for the second or two needed to get it started.
 
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I'm going to bring up but one query here. Haku either attacks up close or attacks through the use of Senbon, correct? Well, I don't see what stops Neji from emitting chakra from each and every single one of his chakra points [ ]. With this, he can successfully block the Senbon thrown, and alter their movements [ ]; trying a sneak attack is futile due to Neji being able to sense within a 50 meter radius surrounding him [ ]. The use of up front combat has also been shown to falter against such defenses [ ]. If he can keep this up, he can successfully exit the ice mirrors, as they contain gaps in which Naruto entered from [ ]. After that, Haku can't just stay there. Maintaining his jutsu uses up a lot of chakra [ ], so he'd have no choice but to remove it. After that, a 64 palms should finish him.
 
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Haku is a very bright ninja. I can't see him just charging in and using his lacking Taijutsu against a Jounin. He used it against Sasuke because Sasuke was just a Genin and Haku wanted to know his strength. You also have to bear in mind that Haku never wanted to kill him, so him getting beat by Sasuke in CQC could be simply his lack of will to actually fight him. Haku even stopped Zabuza's shuriken from killing Naruto just to save him.

Haku against Chuunin level+ ninja revolves around his mirrors to fight, as shown in Part 2. When he was fighting Kakashi's division, he was just using mirrors to teleport and attack, no basic Taijutsu. So him just charging in against Neji is just not happening.

Haku has shown to teleport himself very far distances, as shown from when he teleported himself from the ground to above Sai's birds. That being said, Haku can teleport himself a good distance above Neji's head and begin his Ice Crystal Mirrors Jutsu.

In the Ice Crystal Mirrors, Haku moves at extraordinary speed, almost as fast as S/T levels. Even though Neji has impressive speed and can see nearly all the senbon coming, his Rotation can only block so many. He can keep up Rotation by constantly spinning, but he can't spin forever. Haku has shown countless supply of senbon, it's more than likely his senbon will outlast Neji's Rotation, and then it's over.

It's also a possibility that due to Haku's intelligence, he may find Neji's blind spot and hit a vital organ or the area in the neck that stimulates death, leaving Neji open for the real kill.

This match could go either way, but I'm leaning more towards Haku.
 
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