Location-Kimi Vs Gaara,Lee,Naruto
Knowledge-Manga
Distance-20m
Intent-Kill
Conditions-Its War Arc Neji,Healthy Kimimaro, he has CS lvl 2,War Arc Sasuke and War Arc Naruto
Restrictions-Neji can not use Rotation and Air Palm,Kimimaro can not use Bone Forest,Sasuke has 3 tomoe Sharingan,No Ninjutsu/Genjutsu, Naruto doesn't have BM,he has SM,but only boost he gets is Frog Kata and strength,No Ninjutsu for him too.... it is just Taijutsu Battle.... They can use Shurikens and Kunais... no paper bombs...
Who Wins?
EDIT:lol ppl i just read those posts LOL ofc Sasuke doesn't have his sword in this match up, i Said they can use Kunais and Shurikens, i thought this was enought to understand that other weps are restricted... it is Taijutsu battle and i allowed Kunais and Shurikens bc it makes Taijutsu battle cool....
Naruto and Sasuke destroy them. Naruto would stomp Neji with no effort. He doesn't need to make contact with him to land Frog Kata, it's strong enough to kill a Pain body in one strike and Naruto has the superior physical abilities. Once Naruto enters CQC with Neji it's a wrap.
Sasuke can't really defeat Kimi because of his durability and physical power, in fact he'd get wrecked in a head on confrontation. So the best he can do is hold him off until Naruto stomps Neji, then him and Naruto stomp Kimimaro. That or Sasuke beats Neji comfortably while Naruto stomps Kimi.
Ninjutsu is restricted so Sasuke won't be able to channel lighting chakra into his sword so he won't be able to cut through Kimi's bones which is are as hard as steel. steel >>> Iron.
3T can not keep track of unorthodox moves so it is useless in front of Dance of the willow, Dance of camellia and the 64 palms
Frog Kata can be tanked with Kimimaro's bones and a slight touch from Jyuken or blocking a chakra point would disrupt the balance of the natural energy turning Naruto into a frog.
they can team up on Naruto after stomping Sasuke since he is not a factor here
Naruto and Sasuke destroy them. Naruto would stomp Neji with no effort. He doesn't need to make contact with him to land Frog Kata, it's strong enough to kill a Pain body in one strike and Naruto has the superior physical abilities. Once Naruto enters CQC with Neji it's a wrap.
Sasuke can't really defeat Kimi because of his durability and physical power, in fact he'd get wrecked in a head on confrontation. So the best he can do is hold him off until Naruto stomps Neji, then him and Naruto stomp Kimimaro. That or Sasuke beats Neji comfortably while Naruto stomps Kimi.
Sasuke w/ 3-Tomoe and a sword comfortably defeats Neji. Don't go fanboying and using bad logic again if you actually want to discuss the outcome of this fight.
Anyway, This isn't like Part 1 where Neji and Sasuke were on the same speed tier. In terms of speed and reactions of all kind even Base Sasuke is comfortably ahead of Neji let alone 3-Tomoe War Arc Sasuke, who is comfortably beyond his beginning of Part 2 self in all categories. Neji being better in Taijutsu is also irrelevant here because this isn't hand to hand. This is Sasuke using Kenjutsu and Bukijutsu, which he is extremely proficient in, and Neji fighting with his bare hands.
Neji has no defense from Sasuke's attacks here. He only has Gentle Fist and 64 palms, and Sasuke being granted weapons means that he'll never need to make physical contact with Neji's body. So please tell me how Neji beats an armed man with far greater physical capabilities? I'd seriously love to know how you came to that conclusion. That's not even me talking about your actual post, which definitely has some sigworthy gems in there.
-Sasuke's not a factor
-Neji being capable of landing a hit on Naruto without being one shotted.
-Neji's moves being unorthodox.
-Kimimaro's moves being unorthodox.
-Sasuke not being able to properly keep up based on a fight he had with Killer B, a man far faster, far stronger and more skilled in close combat than both of these guys on Team 1.
Like really bro? I should be asking you if you are being serious here. Cause this almost sounds like a troll post.
Sasuke w/ 3-Tomoe and a sword comfortably defeats Neji. Don't go fanboying and using bad logic again if you actually want to discuss the outcome of this fight.
Anyway, This isn't like Part 1 where Neji and Sasuke were on the same speed tier. In terms of speed and reactions of all kind even Base Sasuke is comfortably ahead of Neji let alone 3-Tomoe War Arc Sasuke, who is comfortably beyond his beginning of Part 2 self in all categories. Neji being better in Taijutsu is also irrelevant here because this isn't hand to hand. This is Sasuke using Kenjutsu and Bukijutsu, which he is extremely proficient in, and Neji fighting with his bare hands.
Neji has no defense from Sasuke's attacks here. He only has Gentle Fist and 64 palms, and Sasuke being granted weapons means that he'll never need to make physical contact with Neji's body. So please tell me how Neji beats an armed man with far greater physical capabilities? I'd seriously love to know how you came to that conclusion. That's not even me talking about your actual post, which definitely has some sigworthy gems in there.
-Sasuke's not a factor
-Neji being capable of landing a hit on Naruto without being one shotted.
-Neji's moves being unorthodox.
-Kimimaro's moves being unorthodox.
-Sasuke not being able to properly keep up based on a fight he had with Killer B, a man far faster, far stronger and more skilled in close combat than both of these guys on Team 1.
Like really bro? I should be asking you if you are being serious here. Cause this almost sounds like a troll post.
according to 3rd DB Neji was on par w/ Hebi Sasuke in terms of speed and I don't know if war arc has shown a superior feats but regardless. running speed has a jack shit to do with hand to hand combat . Hand speed is FAR more essential in that term. and here where Neji excels. if Sasuke tried Kenjutsu then that would not prevent hand to hand at all, a skilled martial artist can still beat someone armed w/ melee weapons empty-handed. as long you are skilled enough to parry the right way and counter attack you would be fine. and don't forget that Neji uses the gentle fist meaning that the slightest touch from him on any spot is fatal. Neji can not block an attack with a sword so he would need to evade it or counter it by gabbing his arm but Sasuke would need to evade a TOUCH in close combat from someone who can strike insanely fast. which means that Sasuke would need to put more effort in evasion than Neji
and Bukijutsu is irrelevant as Neji would easily dodge anything Sasuke's throws
like I said :
-Sasuke is not a factor here
-I said that would need a help from Kimi to land that hit
-Neji moves are not unorthodox but they are still hard to track. and being able to track =/= being able to dodge
-:lol learn something about Kimi
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-Sasuke had help from team taka and despite that he was still stomped and nothing suggest that Killer B striking speed is faster that the 64 palms which lands the last 32 hits in just a matter of second. he might be able to put a fight against Kimi and Neji but he would be taken out eventually
according to 3rd DB Neji was on par w/ Hebi Sasuke in terms of speed and I don't know if war arc has shown a superior feats but regardless. running speed has a jack shit to do with hand to hand combat . Hand speed is FAR more essential in that term. and here where Neji excels. if Sasuke tried Kenjutsu then that would not prevent hand to hand at all,a skilled martial artist can still beat someone armed w/ melee weapons empty-handed. as long you are skilled enough to parry the right way and counter attack you would be fine. and don't forget that Neji uses the gentle fist meaning that the slightest touch from him on any spot is fatal. Neji can not block an attack with a sword so he would need to evade it or counter it by gabbing his arm but Sasuke would need to evade a TOUCH in close combat from someone who can strike insanely fast. which means that Sasuke would need to put more effort in evasion than Neji
and Bukijutsu is irrelevant as Neji would easily dodge anything Sasuke's throws
I'm just gonna tell you this right now. If you don't switch up your argument and actually provide evidence for the claims you bring this time around I'm not going to entertain your nonsense past this post. You are literally using the same logic you used before and look where that got you. 22 pages deep making excuses.
-No. Neji and Sasuke are not on par with speed. We've been over how the DB works so I find it funny you are backtracking yet again. DB measures base stats, and they are tiering systems. Two people with one score obviously aren't equal. They are on the same tier. Base Sasuke and Base Neji have a 4.5. Sharingan's boost on reflexes and reaction speed is far beyond that of the Byakugan's. Thus Sasuke>>>Neji in overall speed, which is what the DB measures. Not running speed which no one ever mentioned. Don't argue against imaginary points pal.
And if you want to argue that Neji is on par with Sasuke in ANY form of speed even the ones not relevant to this battle I'll be waiting for feats that are on par with:
-Almost blitzing Deidara. (Funny, this man also has a 4.5 yet it's obvious who is much faster)
-Outmaneuvering V1 Ay in close range.
-Dodging Version 1 B in mid air while injured.
-And more.
-Bold makes no sense. Hand to hand is when both people fight hand to hand. Sasuke is not using a sword so it's not hand to hand. Doesn't get any simpler than that so don't complicate it to try and give your post substance.
-No. Hand speed doesn't mean a damn thing here compared to reaction speed and reflexes. Every major boost in a character's CQC capability has come from an increase in movement or reaction speeds along with strength. Not hand speed. Whether it be Naruto w/ SM, Sasuke w/ 3-Tomoe, Lee w/ Gates, Ay with his Raiton Armor, Madara and Obito w/ the Juubi etc etc. You clearly don't know how fights actually work nor can you picture how a fight would go if you ignore all other factors in favor of one factor.
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DB credits Gai's capability to go against an armed foe while unarmed, the most skilled Taijutsu user in the entire village by far, to his "quick as a flash reflexes". Not striking speed. Quit acting like Neji is going to go against one of the most skilled Kenjutsu users in the Manga with his bare hands and dominate him when Gai can't go against a 30% Kisame clone , using nothing but Samehada and Taijutsu, unarmed and win. It's ridiculous.
-Stuff in the red are just more falsities. Speed is the defining factor when it comes to parrying. Not skill. Can you show that Neji is skilled enough and fast enough to parry and counter attack Sasuke's strikes without a weapon of his own? No, you can't. So don't even think about going there.
-Stuff in the blue is a moot statement. Bukijutsu isn't just thrown weapons.
-And finally, again, you don't make sense. Neji can't block or meet Sasuke's attacks thus all he can do is run. Sasuke has a sword. He doesn't need to evade every single one of Neji's strikes. If Neji's hands or arms ever meet Sasuke's blades they get cut clean off. Sasuke can meet Neji's attacks. Neji can't. Thus Neji is the one who has to focus on dodging. Then we have the fact that Sasuke>>>Neji in EVERY form of relevant speed. You'd have to be extremely biased in Neji's favor to even think about arguing his victory here.
Oh wait.....I forgot who I'm talking to.
Also, not every hit with Gentle Fist is lethal. You should already know this but lmao. :lol I guess you conveniently forgot. Neji hit Hinata more than once and she didn't die. Hinata hit Neji lightly and didn't do any lasting damage.
-Sasuke is not a factor here
-I said that would need a help from Kimi to land that hit
-Neji moves are not unorthodox but they are still hard to track. and being able to track =/= being able to dodge
-:lol learn something about Kimi
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-Sasuke had help from team taka and despite that he was still stomped and nothing suggest that Killer B striking speed is faster that the 64 palms which lands the last 32 hits in just a matter of second. he might be able to put a fight against Kimi and Neji but he would be taken out eventually
-Wrong.
-Wrong regardless of Neji helping him.
-The bold is false and the rest is irrelevant, because Neji is not faster than Sasuke, he's not on par with Sasuke and he's not on par with people that Sasuke can dodge. Neji's moves being hard to track is another thing you made up.
-Wiki links aren't evidence. :lol What's worse is that your link doesn't show how his moves are anything like Killer B's so I suggest you just drop this point now. Doesn't help your point that this "dance of the camelia" that you are wanking was completely and easily evaded by a Drunken PTS Base Lee.
-Sasuke was clashing w/ B on his own before B used the Seven Swords Dance. Taka is irrelevant in this discussion. Killer B's striking speed not being on par with Neji's is irrelevant because striking speed isn't the end all be all in close combat fights, especially when a weapon is involved while the other person has no weapon.
Is a nice discussion free of major bias really too much to ask for from you? It's really not that difficult.
If i were to use the atrocious ass logic in this guy's posts I'd be arguing that Neji beats the following under the same conditions as these thread's(No Ninjutsu for them, only weapons) because he can strike 64 times in a matter of seconds.
-Living Madara
-Living Hashirama
-Hiruzen
-Asuma
-Gai
-KCM/BM Naruto
-SM Naruto
-Tobirama
-Minato
-Base Killer B
-V1 Ay
-Kisame w/ just Samehada.
And I can really go on and on and on. You should honestly just ask for a perma ban if you think that NEJI HYUUGA will go up against this:
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and not get his ass beat because "he pokes fast". The first time Sasuke and B clashed, replace Sasuke w/ Neji and guess what? Neji gets cut to ribbons.
Sasuke w/ 3-Tomoe and a sword comfortably defeats Neji. Don't go fanboying and using bad logic again if you actually want to discuss the outcome of this fight.
Anyway, This isn't like Part 1 where Neji and Sasuke were on the same speed tier. In terms of speed and reactions of all kind even Base Sasuke is comfortably ahead of Neji let alone 3-Tomoe War Arc Sasuke, who is comfortably beyond his beginning of Part 2 self in all categories. Neji being better in Taijutsu is also irrelevant here because this isn't hand to hand. This is Sasuke using Kenjutsu and Bukijutsu, which he is extremely proficient in, and Neji fighting with his bare hands.
Neji has no defense from Sasuke's attacks here. He only has Gentle Fist and 64 palms, and Sasuke being granted weapons means that he'll never need to make physical contact with Neji's body. So please tell me how Neji beats an armed man with far greater physical capabilities? I'd seriously love to know how you came to that conclusion. That's not even me talking about your actual post, which definitely has some sigworthy gems in there.
-Sasuke's not a factor
-Neji being capable of landing a hit on Naruto without being one shotted.
-Neji's moves being unorthodox.
-Kimimaro's moves being unorthodox.
-Sasuke not being able to properly keep up based on a fight he had with Killer B, a man far faster, far stronger and more skilled in close combat than both of these guys on Team 1.
Like really bro? I should be asking you if you are being serious here. Cause this almost sounds like a troll post.
Nah bro. Naruto can't beat Kimimaro, if Sasuke can't. Frog Kata wouldn't be enough to > Kimimaro's passive regeneration. Not sure what else Naruto has in his arsenal except for toads, which get impaled through bone forest.
Nah bro. Naruto can't beat Kimimaro, if Sasuke can't. Frog Kata wouldn't be enough to > Kimimaro's passive regeneration. Not sure what else Naruto has in his arsenal except for toads, which get impaled through bone forest.
Kimimaro doesn't have any type of regen. Repeated direct hits from Sage Naruto, strong enough to flip Kurama and strong enough to toss a Rhino out of the battlefield, on top of Frog Kata eventually takes him out.
Kimimaro doesn't have any type of regen. Repeated direct hits from Sage Naruto, strong enough to flip Kurama and strong enough to toss a Rhino out of the battlefield, on top of Frog Kata eventually takes him out.
He does though... His entire fight with Gaara signified this. Gaara's sand damaged his skin, and his skin cells repaired themselves. Note his KKG is related to bone, so why were his skin cells able to reconstruct themselves? He has regeneration...
I highly doubt Frog Kata can reach damage proportions equal to being buried 200m in the ground. But your opinion, is your opinion so whatever.
He does though... His entire fight with Gaara signified this. Gaara's sand damaged his skin, and his skin cells repaired themselves. Note his KKG is related to bone, so why were his skin cells able to reconstruct themselves? He has regeneration...
I highly doubt Frog Kata can reach damage proportions equal to being buried 200m in the ground. But your opinion, is your opinion so whatever.
Gaara's sand damaged him and when he upgraded to CS2 only then did he "heal" himself. His skin being able to recover from the effects of his own KKG isn't evidence that he can regenerate from every type of technique. Kaguya does the same thing with her bones yet she didn't have any kind of instant regeneration or healing factor. The only time she was able to heal was after her rabbit form was defeated.
And those are clearly two different types of damage first of all. Frog Kata is more focused than being buried under a field's worth of sand. Second of all what makes simply being buried at 200m some kind of feat that you can throw around to indicate major damage? Cause even
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because he knew the main point of the attack was to immobilize him. Finally, it's clearly not just Frog Kata. Frog Kata is independent of Naruto's own physical power. Kimimaro doesn't beat him.
Gaara's sand damaged him and when he upgraded to CS2 only then did he "heal" himself. His skin being able to recover from the effects of his own KKG isn't evidence that he can regenerate from every type of technique. Kaguya does the same thing with her bones yet she didn't have any kind of instant regeneration or healing factor. The only time she was able to heal was after her rabbit form was defeated.
And those are clearly two different types of damage first of all. Frog Kata is more focused than being buried under a field's worth of sand. Second of all what makes simply being buried at 200m some kind of feat that you can throw around to indicate major damage? Cause even
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because he knew the main point of the attack was to immobilize him. Finally, it's clearly not just Frog Kata. Frog Kata is independent of Naruto's own physical power. Kimimaro doesn't beat him.
That makes no sense at all. If damage is received, and said inflicted area heals itself such = regeneration/self repair. Be it through his KKG, or not. Self repair, is self repair. And no Kimimaro hasn't only regenerated in CS2.
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Couple more examples I could pull up as well. His KKG allows him to both recover from his own techniques, and others. Clearly his own technique didn't put a huge hole in his cheek correct? Just to form a layer of bone underneath his skin? No, it was Gaara's sand's pressure that did so, and what happened right after? Self repair. It's self regeneration, you can argue in circles all day, but the facts are literally right there. Also, no point in comparing Kaguya, and Kimimaro. Kaguya didn't show regeneration from sources other than her KKG, but Kimimaro has. So there's no comparison between the two.
Won't bother with the second portion, if you concede regarding self repair.
That makes no sense at all. If damage is received, and said inflicted area heals itself such = regeneration/self repair. Be it through his KKG, or not. Self repair, is self repair. And no Kimimaro hasn't only regenerated in CS2.
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Couple more examples I could pull up as well. His KKG allows him to both recover from his own techniques, and others. Clearly his own technique didn't put a huge hole in his cheek correct? Just to form a layer of bone underneath his skin? No, it was Gaara's sand's pressure that did so, and what happened right after? Self repair. It's self regeneration, you can argue in circles all day, but the facts are literally right there. Also, no point in comparing Kaguya, and Kimimaro. Kaguya didn't show regeneration from sources other than her KKG, but Kimimaro has. So there's no comparison between the two.
Won't bother with the second portion, if you concede regarding self repair.
Again, no. That bottom set of panels obviously doesn't show any type of healing. In the panel after being crushed by Gaara's technique he still has that hole in his cheek. Only when he upgraded to CS2 is when all his wounds were healed, so yes, when it comes to his KKG abilities I can easily attribute his skin being repaired after it breaks apart to his bones to said KKG as it's just like Kaguya's, who also does not have passive regeneration.
Nothing you've showed so far indicates Kimimaro having passive regen so if you have more examples you should bring them.
And that's just his skin. Being capable of repairing your skin isn't evidence of being able to actually regenerate because actual regeneration encompasses the insides and the outsides. Kimimaro hasn't displayed anything of the sort. :lol If what you posted in that first row of images were regenerative abilities then that hole in his cheek wouldn't be there in that next panel, but it was. Thus he cannot regenerate passively from enemy attacks.
Again, no. That bottom set of panels obviously doesn't show any type of healing. In the panel after being crushed by Gaara's technique he still has that hole in his cheek. Only when he upgraded to CS2 is when all his wounds were healed, so yes, when it comes to his KKG abilities I can easily attribute his skin being repaired after it breaks apart to his bones to said KKG as it's just like Kaguya's, who also does not have passive regeneration.
Nothing you've showed so far indicates Kimimaro having passive regen so if you have more examples you should bring them.
And that's just his skin. Being capable of repairing your skin isn't evidence of being able to actually regenerate because actual regeneration encompasses the insides and the outsides. Kimimaro hasn't displayed anything of the sort. :lol If what you posted in that first row of images were regenerative abilities then that hole in his cheek wouldn't be there in that next panel, but it was. Thus he cannot regenerate passively from enemy attacks.
Clearly showing the holes healing repairing themselves... If it wasn't regeneration there would be no need to even show this shit. Come on now man... Let's not simply ignore evidence that's right in front of us.
And my guy, don't change the definition of regeneration. It only means to heal tissue, which was shown here. And also, Kimimaro has already been shown to repair cells that shouldn't be capable of self repair (when he pulled out his spinal cord). Come on man...
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The spinal cord is made up of millions of nerve cells that send projections up and down the cord and out into other parts of the body. The information that allows us to sit, run, go to the toilet and breathe travels along these projections, called nerves.
When the spinal cord is injured, the initial trauma causes cell damage and destruction, and triggers a cascade of events that spread around the injury site affecting a number of different types of cells. Axons are crushed and torn, and oligonucleotide, the nerve cells that make up the insulating myelitis sheath around axons, begin to die. Exposed axons degenerate, the connection between neurons is disrupted and the flow of information between the brain and the spinal cord is blocked.
The body cannot replace cells lost when the spinal cord is injured, and its function becomes impaired permanently. Patients may end up with severe movement and sensation disabilities. They will generally be paralyzed and without sensation from the level of the injury downwards.
Pay heavy attention to every underlined portion of the quote previously given; more so "The body cannot replace cells lost when the spinal cord is injured, and its function becomes impaired permanently.". This backs up the statement of which Kimimaro iterated "he can control the reformation of his destroyed cells".
To furthermore prove Kimimaro's regeneration was instant in the case of replacing his spine, if his spine wasn't replaced once it came out of placement when he pulled it out, he would have become crippled, and would have fallen from his standing stature; the body is able to stand erect due to the spinal cord.
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It legit doesn't even matter if its from his KKG. Self repair = regeneration = regeneration = regeneration. Come on now man.
Clearly showing the holes healing repairing themselves... If it wasn't regeneration there would be no need to even show this shit. Come on now man... Let's not simply ignore evidence that's right in front of us.
What are you even looking at? Clearly not that scan. Nothing in that scan shows any type of healing nor are they even focusing on the holes in his body. Then we have the fact that I just posted a scan of 2 holes on his body so no, there is no regen and the one who needs to stop ignoring evidence is you.
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-Where's the healing?
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-Where's the healing?
Bold is horrible logic. They are showing that to show the damage on his body and how he survived it, not to showcase his regen that doesn't exist. :lol
What are you even looking at? Clearly not that scan. Nothing in that scan shows any type of healing nor are they even focusing on the holes in his body. Then we have the fact that I just posted a scan of 2 holes on his body so no, there is no regen and the one who needs to stop ignoring evidence is you.
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-Where's the healing?
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-Where's the healing?
Bold is horrible logic. They are showing that to show the damage on his body and how he survived it, not to showcase his regen that doesn't exist. :lol
Complete control over his Osteo's yet not regen. Alright.
Osteoblast;
a cell that secretes the matrix for bone formation.
Osteoclast;
a large multinucleate bone cell that absorbs bone tissue during growth and healing.
Kimimaro says he's capable of forming/destroying his cells as he pleases. Osteoclast grow/healing through bone tissue which he specifically said he can create/destroy as his leisure... Yet its not self repair/regen. Alright.
KKG specifically relating to bone cells, yet shows the skin injuries repairing themselves every time he uses his bone techniques, or is injured. Yet it isn't self regeneration... Alright.
