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Having been an active member on the Base for a good while now, and having read the manga for much MUCH longer than that, i find it somewhat surprising that there is so much information I feel is common knowledge, that many Narutobasers and general readers do not actually know...
Now, I know I'm not the most knowledgeable reader out there, but I feel I know my fair share, and I still find it ridiculous that this knowledge is still not known by everyone so I'm here to make a list of them. Read them all, or read the ones you find interesting, as long as you read, I'll be happy.
This is the most annoying and frustrating misconception I've seen here, and it's to the point where it literally pisses me off when people do not know it, and that is that...
1. Itachi did NOT "give" the Mangekyo Sharingan to Sasuke.
2. Itachi was going easy on Sasuke.
3. Sasuke has Tsukuyomi.
4. No past Hokage can be resurrected via Edo Tensei.
5. The 6 Paths of Pain > Sage Mode Naruto.
6. Kabuto has lost most, if not all of his new found abilities.
7. Perfect Susano'o is not a Rinnegan Technique.
8. Orochimaru's Edo Tensei summons were not as good as they were in life.
This is a start to my list, and I know it's not much but I can't think of any more points off the top of my head as of now, however I will be thinking and updating this list to re-post it at a later date. If you read all of these points I will be thoroughly impressed. Thanks for reading!
Now, I know I'm not the most knowledgeable reader out there, but I feel I know my fair share, and I still find it ridiculous that this knowledge is still not known by everyone so I'm here to make a list of them. Read them all, or read the ones you find interesting, as long as you read, I'll be happy.
This is the most annoying and frustrating misconception I've seen here, and it's to the point where it literally pisses me off when people do not know it, and that is that...
1. Itachi did NOT "give" the Mangekyo Sharingan to Sasuke.
After the Itachi-Sasuke fight, Itachi poked Sasuke's head as he had done many times in the past. At this point Itachi's own blood ran down Sasuke's face and pooled in his left eye.
At this point itachi used his own personal fuin jutsu to seal a one shot amaterasu into sasuke's left eye. This trap was programmed to be activated at the time sasuke's eyes met tobi's right sharingan. At which time amaterasu would be used, hopefully, to kill or at least drive off tobi.
As you can see here, it worked. Now, notice how Itachi's MS formed in Sasuke's eye, not sasuke's MS. This is Itachi's trap Amaterasu.
This is the scene in which Sasuke obtained his Mangekyo Sharingan. Upon learning the truth of his brother's life, and learning that his brother was the closest, most loved person he could have asked for, and realizing that he himself had killed his own older brother, the pain this brought him awakened his Mangekyo sharingan.
And two pages later, he opens his eyes for the first time.
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At this point itachi used his own personal fuin jutsu to seal a one shot amaterasu into sasuke's left eye. This trap was programmed to be activated at the time sasuke's eyes met tobi's right sharingan. At which time amaterasu would be used, hopefully, to kill or at least drive off tobi.
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As you can see here, it worked. Now, notice how Itachi's MS formed in Sasuke's eye, not sasuke's MS. This is Itachi's trap Amaterasu.
This is the scene in which Sasuke obtained his Mangekyo Sharingan. Upon learning the truth of his brother's life, and learning that his brother was the closest, most loved person he could have asked for, and realizing that he himself had killed his own older brother, the pain this brought him awakened his Mangekyo sharingan.
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And two pages later, he opens his eyes for the first time.
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2. Itachi was going easy on Sasuke.
Going off of point number 1, i see a surprising amount of people say that Sasuke clearly outclassed Itachi during their fight.
This one page should be all that is needed to prove that Itachi was going easy on Sasuke. All itachi planned to do in that fight was die by sasuke's hands, however he could not have foreseen that orochimaru would be absorbed by sasuke, and so itachi planned to remove him, as orochimaru being inside of sasuke was too big of a risk to his beloved, little brother and any significant drain in chakra could release him with enough power to take over sasuke's body.
These facts coupled with the other fact that itachi had been dying of an unknown illness for who knows how many years, only surviving through will power and drugs, means that not only was Itachi more powerful than sasuke at the time of his death, but he was also more powerful than him on his literal death bed.
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This one page should be all that is needed to prove that Itachi was going easy on Sasuke. All itachi planned to do in that fight was die by sasuke's hands, however he could not have foreseen that orochimaru would be absorbed by sasuke, and so itachi planned to remove him, as orochimaru being inside of sasuke was too big of a risk to his beloved, little brother and any significant drain in chakra could release him with enough power to take over sasuke's body.
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These facts coupled with the other fact that itachi had been dying of an unknown illness for who knows how many years, only surviving through will power and drugs, means that not only was Itachi more powerful than sasuke at the time of his death, but he was also more powerful than him on his literal death bed.
3. Sasuke has Tsukuyomi.
Now that i'm actually putting this down in writing, i realize this is mostly about sasuke and itachi, and i would like to say that i am not a fanboy, i'm just merely pointing out the misconceptions about these characters.
Here is the databook entry on Susano'o. In the requirements it lists Tsukuyomi, and Amaterasu. NORMALLY i would point out that this databook is out of date, and too contradictory to be credible, and to wait until the next databook for confirmation.
HOWEVER, seeing as how this databook contains information from chapters only 11 weeks before Sasuke's MS was revealed, this databook can be credible in this subject.
Now i'm not going to go into the dozens of different instances in which there is proof of sasuke using Tsukuyomi, but there are dozens of threads on the subject which do such a good job of proving it, that I'll promote the search bar for those.
My personal belief however, is that each Uchiha who has gained the three legendary MS jutsu has mastered one of the three techniques.
Sasuke and Amaterasu
Madara and Susano'o
and Itachi and Genjutsu
I say genjutsu rather than Tsukuyomi is for this reason. I believe the reason for this debate is because Itachi's MS was revealed first. Because Itachi's was first we learned about his techniques, Amaterasu, Susano'o and Tsukuyomi.
Now, as we know, Sasuke's manipulation of Amaterasu is labeled Enton, or Blaze Release, while Madara's manipulation of Susano'o is labeled as Perfect Susano'o (I guess madara wasn't very creative when it comes to names.) This would suggest that Itachi's manipulation of his genjutsu is labeled Tsukuyomi.
Having said this, i believe that each character possesses all three techniques, but only specializes in ONE and thus there is no real reason to use the lower versions. If this is true, then the sole reason we don't believe Sasuke has tsukuyomi, is because he does not "have" tsukuyomi, but has the sharingan genjutsu, in the same regard as Itachi does not "have" enton, but uses amaterasu. Confusing, i know. But this is why I'm promoting the search bar.
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Here is the databook entry on Susano'o. In the requirements it lists Tsukuyomi, and Amaterasu. NORMALLY i would point out that this databook is out of date, and too contradictory to be credible, and to wait until the next databook for confirmation.
HOWEVER, seeing as how this databook contains information from chapters only 11 weeks before Sasuke's MS was revealed, this databook can be credible in this subject.
Now i'm not going to go into the dozens of different instances in which there is proof of sasuke using Tsukuyomi, but there are dozens of threads on the subject which do such a good job of proving it, that I'll promote the search bar for those.
My personal belief however, is that each Uchiha who has gained the three legendary MS jutsu has mastered one of the three techniques.
Sasuke and Amaterasu
Madara and Susano'o
and Itachi and Genjutsu
I say genjutsu rather than Tsukuyomi is for this reason. I believe the reason for this debate is because Itachi's MS was revealed first. Because Itachi's was first we learned about his techniques, Amaterasu, Susano'o and Tsukuyomi.
Now, as we know, Sasuke's manipulation of Amaterasu is labeled Enton, or Blaze Release, while Madara's manipulation of Susano'o is labeled as Perfect Susano'o (I guess madara wasn't very creative when it comes to names.) This would suggest that Itachi's manipulation of his genjutsu is labeled Tsukuyomi.
Having said this, i believe that each character possesses all three techniques, but only specializes in ONE and thus there is no real reason to use the lower versions. If this is true, then the sole reason we don't believe Sasuke has tsukuyomi, is because he does not "have" tsukuyomi, but has the sharingan genjutsu, in the same regard as Itachi does not "have" enton, but uses amaterasu. Confusing, i know. But this is why I'm promoting the search bar.
4. No past Hokage can be resurrected via Edo Tensei.
It's appalling that people still believe that the previous Hokage can be resurrected.
Here, kabuto confirms that none of the 4 previous Hokage can be summoned via Edo Tensei. This means one of two things. Either Kishi screwed up or didn't plan ahead enough during the Hiruzen-Orochimaru fight, or Orochimaru himself screwed up and didn't know that the Fourth Hokage was sealed and therefor could not be summoned.
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Here, kabuto confirms that none of the 4 previous Hokage can be summoned via Edo Tensei. This means one of two things. Either Kishi screwed up or didn't plan ahead enough during the Hiruzen-Orochimaru fight, or Orochimaru himself screwed up and didn't know that the Fourth Hokage was sealed and therefor could not be summoned.
5. The 6 Paths of Pain > Sage Mode Naruto.
Now, I've seen many MANY many people say that Naruto defeated The 6 Paths of Pain, and that Sage plot had nothing to do with his victory.
This is false.
My first point has to do with this picture.
At this point in the fight Naruto had defeated five out of the six paths of Pain. All but Deva path to be specific. Now, some of you might say that this proves how strong Naruto's Sage Mode is. This is a misconception however.
Realistically speaking, as Deva path was inactive until this point in the battle.
This point was WELL after four of the paths had been killed or defeated with one having been revived already by the Naraka path. As most members know or believe, the most deadly path of Pain is the Deva path, as it is the main path with the most diverse ability.
The fact that the Deva path was incapacitated even until the very end of this fight is proof of how much of a higher level The 6 Paths of Pain are on than Naruto even while in Sage Mode.
If i'm doing my job correctly, then you're asking yourself how Naruto defeated Pain. The answer is easy.
The only reason Naruto is alive right now is because Hinata's intervention caused Naruto's rage to open the seal and allow the Nine-Tailed Fox to rampage.
On top of this, Naruto even later states that the only reason he survived Pain's Chibaku Tensei is because of the Fox's Rampage.
If this isn't enough proof of Naruto's luck, then i don't know what is.
This is false.
My first point has to do with this picture.
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At this point in the fight Naruto had defeated five out of the six paths of Pain. All but Deva path to be specific. Now, some of you might say that this proves how strong Naruto's Sage Mode is. This is a misconception however.
Realistically speaking, as Deva path was inactive until this point in the battle.
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The fact that the Deva path was incapacitated even until the very end of this fight is proof of how much of a higher level The 6 Paths of Pain are on than Naruto even while in Sage Mode.
If i'm doing my job correctly, then you're asking yourself how Naruto defeated Pain. The answer is easy.
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The only reason Naruto is alive right now is because Hinata's intervention caused Naruto's rage to open the seal and allow the Nine-Tailed Fox to rampage.
On top of this, Naruto even later states that the only reason he survived Pain's Chibaku Tensei is because of the Fox's Rampage.
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If this isn't enough proof of Naruto's luck, then i don't know what is.
6. Kabuto has lost most, if not all of his new found abilities.
This is a debate with much controversy. On one hand, fans believe that just because Orochimaru's chakra is gone, this does not mean all of Kabuto's new techniques are gone. On the other hand, there is a lot of evidence supporting the belief that Kabuto is back to the chakra reserves, and technique ability level as when he lost to Yamato and Sai. I personally, sit on the ladder belief.
My first point for this argument are these two pictures.
While most say that Orochimaru only deactivated Kabuto's Sage Mode, it's apparent in the second manga page, and by Suigetsu and Juugo's comments, that Orochimaru took away all of his own chakra, and left Kabuto's original chakra in place.
However, the fact that Kabuto's total appearance took on the snake quality after implanting orochimaru's DNA into himself, but BEFORE he mastered Sage Mode,
it can be accurately assumed that while orochimaru's body was somehow unsuitable for sage mode, it was only possible for Kabuto to master it, with the help of Orochimaru's chakra enhancing his own body, as Sage Mode is only said to be learned by those with high enough chakra reserves.
As Orochimaru has taken back his chakra (or in essence, his DNA, as confusing as that sounds) it can be assumed that Kabuto cannot perform any techniques which would require his powerful chakra such as Edo Tensei (to the scale orochimaru used it, one body may be summon-able with Kabuto's own chakra) Sage Mode, and any derived jutsu that come from these abilities such as summoning the Sound 5 from within himself, any Sennin techniques such as the White Rage technique and Inorganic Reincarnation techniques
as well as any Orochimaru-esque techniques such as body shedding, and possibly Snake summoning, as Sasuke too lost this ability when orochimaru was removed from his body.
My first point for this argument are these two pictures.
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While most say that Orochimaru only deactivated Kabuto's Sage Mode, it's apparent in the second manga page, and by Suigetsu and Juugo's comments, that Orochimaru took away all of his own chakra, and left Kabuto's original chakra in place.
However, the fact that Kabuto's total appearance took on the snake quality after implanting orochimaru's DNA into himself, but BEFORE he mastered Sage Mode,
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Here you can see Kabuto already has his tail which indicates that orochimaru's chakra had already been suppressed, but Sage Mode had not yet been learned.it can be accurately assumed that while orochimaru's body was somehow unsuitable for sage mode, it was only possible for Kabuto to master it, with the help of Orochimaru's chakra enhancing his own body, as Sage Mode is only said to be learned by those with high enough chakra reserves.
As Orochimaru has taken back his chakra (or in essence, his DNA, as confusing as that sounds) it can be assumed that Kabuto cannot perform any techniques which would require his powerful chakra such as Edo Tensei (to the scale orochimaru used it, one body may be summon-able with Kabuto's own chakra) Sage Mode, and any derived jutsu that come from these abilities such as summoning the Sound 5 from within himself, any Sennin techniques such as the White Rage technique and Inorganic Reincarnation techniques
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7. Perfect Susano'o is not a Rinnegan Technique.
I have to admit, this common knowledge fact eluded me for a while. There are only a few pieces of evidence so it is fairly easy to pass over them when reading as they are not very obvious unless looking for them, and i can happily say i have not seen as many members who don't know this as of late, which makes me happy.
The first piece of evidence is this conversation between Onoki and Madara.
Onoki questioned why Madara did not use the full extent of his power against him and Muu in the past, the full extent of his power being the Perfect Susano'o. And Madara answers simply, because "who would fight seriously against a child?" This implies that Madara did indeed have access to his Perfect Susano'o at that time, a time in which he did not have the Rinnegan, but chose purposely not to use it.
The second piece of evidence for this is another quote by Madara.
As Madara did not have the Rinnegan until this point in his life,
It is 99% guaranteed that he didn't fight anyone while he had the Rinnegan, and so, Perfect Susano'o must be an EMS technique that Madara used often.
The first piece of evidence is this conversation between Onoki and Madara.
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Onoki questioned why Madara did not use the full extent of his power against him and Muu in the past, the full extent of his power being the Perfect Susano'o. And Madara answers simply, because "who would fight seriously against a child?" This implies that Madara did indeed have access to his Perfect Susano'o at that time, a time in which he did not have the Rinnegan, but chose purposely not to use it.
The second piece of evidence for this is another quote by Madara.
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As Madara did not have the Rinnegan until this point in his life,
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It is 99% guaranteed that he didn't fight anyone while he had the Rinnegan, and so, Perfect Susano'o must be an EMS technique that Madara used often.
8. Orochimaru's Edo Tensei summons were not as good as they were in life.
Yes. Be afraid. You've stumbled into the thread of another Hashirama supporter in the Hiruzen vs. Hashirama debate. However I will only be talking about Orochimaru's use of Edo Tensei, or more specifically, the seal Orochimaru uses.
As I've heard spouted countless times, Orochimaru is the one who perfected Edo tensei. And this is true. Here is the page in which Kabuto states this.
But here is my belief. It's said that Tobirama Senju, the second Hokage created Edo Tensei, but Orochimaru perfected it. This is where Hiruzen fans love to gloat that Hashirama and Tobirama were completely as powerful as they were in life, while in the Edo Tensei. I see it another way however. Let's say that Tobirama created the technique... What's left to perfect? My belief is that maybe Tobirama never tried using a human sacrifice, and discovered no suitable way to use the technique without a human sacrifice. That may be the reason Tobirama declared it a forbidden jutsu, (this would also clear the Second Hokage's name, as i've seen many questioning his morals for creating Edo Tensei) much how Lady Chiyo labeled her Revival technique as forbidden before ever using it, because it required a sacrifice of the user.
To this end, i believe Orochimaru was the one who perfected Edo Tensei by finally using a human sacrifice.
So why were Hashirama and Tobirama at less than full power in that fight, you ask? Because of the different sealing tags Orochimaru and Kabuto used.
Here is the scene in which Orochimaru explains his Sealing Tags. He says that when they are implanted, they completely erase the user's personalities, turning them into mindless killing machines.
And here is where Kabuto explains his own Talisman. Different than Orochimaru's, it uses a lesser powered seal, so as to retain the summoned person's personalities and strategies to be used in battle, essentially making them an immortal and invulnerable version of the person they were in life.
Kabuto even goes on to say that he will not bind Deidara, as he does not "get" art, and doesn't know him very well, which tells me, that Kabuto would have to take personal control of Deidara had he not kept his personality in tact. What does this mean? It means that Orochimaru probably had complete control over Tobirama and Hashirama during his fight with Hiruzen, and the fact that he did not know their powers very well limited his ability to use them effectively.
This is further backed by this comment from Kabuto.
This is all fine and dandy, but what does it mean? Well, let's find out.
If you read, you'll see that Nagato is being completely controlled, and his will is erased. But if you notice, Kabuto says "I can kill him with the Human Path. Not, "I will tell Nagato to kill him with the human path. Suggesting that Nagato is nothing more than a puppet without chakra strings at the point in which his personality is erased.
As I've heard spouted countless times, Orochimaru is the one who perfected Edo tensei. And this is true. Here is the page in which Kabuto states this.
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But here is my belief. It's said that Tobirama Senju, the second Hokage created Edo Tensei, but Orochimaru perfected it. This is where Hiruzen fans love to gloat that Hashirama and Tobirama were completely as powerful as they were in life, while in the Edo Tensei. I see it another way however. Let's say that Tobirama created the technique... What's left to perfect? My belief is that maybe Tobirama never tried using a human sacrifice, and discovered no suitable way to use the technique without a human sacrifice. That may be the reason Tobirama declared it a forbidden jutsu, (this would also clear the Second Hokage's name, as i've seen many questioning his morals for creating Edo Tensei) much how Lady Chiyo labeled her Revival technique as forbidden before ever using it, because it required a sacrifice of the user.
To this end, i believe Orochimaru was the one who perfected Edo Tensei by finally using a human sacrifice.
So why were Hashirama and Tobirama at less than full power in that fight, you ask? Because of the different sealing tags Orochimaru and Kabuto used.
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Here is the scene in which Orochimaru explains his Sealing Tags. He says that when they are implanted, they completely erase the user's personalities, turning them into mindless killing machines.
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And here is where Kabuto explains his own Talisman. Different than Orochimaru's, it uses a lesser powered seal, so as to retain the summoned person's personalities and strategies to be used in battle, essentially making them an immortal and invulnerable version of the person they were in life.
Kabuto even goes on to say that he will not bind Deidara, as he does not "get" art, and doesn't know him very well, which tells me, that Kabuto would have to take personal control of Deidara had he not kept his personality in tact. What does this mean? It means that Orochimaru probably had complete control over Tobirama and Hashirama during his fight with Hiruzen, and the fact that he did not know their powers very well limited his ability to use them effectively.
This is further backed by this comment from Kabuto.
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This is all fine and dandy, but what does it mean? Well, let's find out.
If you read, you'll see that Nagato is being completely controlled, and his will is erased. But if you notice, Kabuto says "I can kill him with the Human Path. Not, "I will tell Nagato to kill him with the human path. Suggesting that Nagato is nothing more than a puppet without chakra strings at the point in which his personality is erased.
This is a start to my list, and I know it's not much but I can't think of any more points off the top of my head as of now, however I will be thinking and updating this list to re-post it at a later date. If you read all of these points I will be thoroughly impressed. Thanks for reading!
