NB Team Debate League round 3: Team sussan'o vs Disciples of Toonami

[Zexion~]

Alright .. well i spoke to Shika and he still has too find someone to write it :| but i guess they still have time

 

[EliteKakashi]

Alright .. well i spoke to Shika and he still has too find someone to write it :| but i guess they still have time

I had forgotten the time doesn't start until the opener. It's actually still about 24 hours left.

 

[Zexion~]

KG lied to me

 

[KidGamer65]

As of me posting this, there's still 2 hours left for them to make their final post.





Actually, I forgot the time doesn't even start until the opener. So that means they have about 24 hours left to post.

lmao, I totally forgot that the time doesn't start till the first post.

 

[Blaze Release]

I had forgotten the time doesn't start until the opener. It's actually still about 24 hours left.

So that is how it works.

What about taking 24 hours to reply to a counter.

Anyway there got time for them though i doubt it will be completed because this just has 3 posts.
2 from us and 1 from them.

Hopefully they come up with their second post, if they are still within the rules

 

[Prince Charles]

the opppsing team has 1 hour to post

 

[johnnyindigo]

All those fights you mentioned were fights where Sasuke never had access to his Complete Susanoo, except for the Danzo fight, and he didn't even have Complete Susanoo from the start, he unlocked it mid battle. This time around he has intel on SM Naruto (Full, not to mention Naruto is his rival) and he actually has access to his Complete Susanoo. Its not farfetched at all to say he would start out at a Complete.

If Sasuke does bring up the Susano’o, SM Naruto can in fact enter close quarters combat.





Like Solo mentioned. Madara's Ribcage, which is vastly inferior to Sasuke's Complete Susanoo, effortlessly tanked a Giant Rasengan with no damage at all. Combine this with the fact that

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(Though it was destroyed in the process) you will see that a Rasengan Barrage isn't getting past a Complete Susanoo, unless you think Rasengan Barrage is as strong as

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-Before Kirin.

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-After Kirin.

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Note that that was a small Mountain that Kirin completely obliterated. Also, if you doubt that an Incomplete blocked Kirin then:

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We have already seen how long it takes for Itachi to manifest a Susanoo above lvl 3, w/Yata Mirror.

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Its impossible for him to have done this to call out a lvl 3 or 4 Susanoo before Kirin hit and we all know that a Lvl 1 can't tank it.

If that isn't enough for some people, we also have seen that both his lvl 3 and 4 Susanoo have Yata Mirror, while the others don't.

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We all know Yata Mirror's ability. It repels attacks that come in contact with it. As it did in these scans.

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If Kirin had come into contact with Yata Mirror, it would have been repelled, but instead, this happened.

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I am not saying Yata can block all attacks by the way.

Also, Itachi said that if he hadn't had used this, he would have been obliterated.

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And what Susanoo is in the panel? V2.

There is no way any Susanoo with Yata Mirror (V4 and v3) could have been involved with the blocking of Kirin, that only leaves V1 and V2, don't have to tell you which one it is. Not to mention its also impossible for him to have formed it before Kirin hit.

Not to mention FRS is superior to any Rasengan Barrage but is inferior to Kirin, so it isn't getting past Susanoo.


What use would Frog Kata be against Susanoo anyway? If Naruto tries this tactic in battle, Susanoo would effortlessly tank it, and a swipe of its hand would make any nearby clones go poof.




-Sasuke wouldn't have to use Amaterasu on every single clone or even use it at all. If they are coming towards him, Susanoo will be enough to take care of them as clones go poof with one hit. He can also use his arrow as a make shift sword.

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-Naruto would have to summon the toads and then hop on them first. Something that won't and can't happen before Sasuke either takes it out with an

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or a small scale Amaterasu, or a Susanoo arrow that Danzo or Kakashi couldn't even dodge.

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Even if they make it above the wall, Rasengan Mega Barrage isn't doing any serious damage to Susanoo as explained above.

"That technique" was simply Amaterasu. All he did was form it into a circle as Amaterasu spawns where the users sight is. Why he wouldn't be able to do this is beyond me, though it really isn't necessary.


Amaterasu while in Susanoo consumes a lot of chakra at once, but not enough for it to be a deciding factor. But using Susanoo arrows doesn't take up chakra, its the Susanoo active that takes up the chakra. Besides, here are a list of his feats during the Kage Summit to show that stamina isn't a deciding factor in this match.

-Susanoo. (Various levels)

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-Amaterasu while in Susanoo.

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Its farfetched to say that shooting arrows at boss summons will weaken him or weaken him enough to make a difference, when he has done the above and more in a single fight, and still managed to live through it till the end. Not to mention Naruto doesn't have unlimited chakra here, just a Sage Mode with no time limit. Its farfetched to say he's going to summon Boss Toads, Ma and Pa, and use clones multiple times along with a Rasengan barrage all in one battle, especially when the Kyuubi can't help him for this scenario.

Ay needed his Max Power Shunshin in order to evade Amaterasu.

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Ma and Pa don't stand a chance of evading this. Don't even say that it will weaken him, cause Itachi ,who was dying might I add, was able to use a large scale Amaterasu on Sasuke, twice.

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Don't bring up Sasuke "evading" Amaterasu either:

1) He got hit in the end.
2) Itachi spawned it away from him and then chased him with it so he wouldn't kill him, as shown in the scan I posted a paragraph above, where I show that Itachi used Amaterasu twice on Sasuke.

They can't even evade arrows as they lack the speed feats to do so.

You say that Sasuke will be focusing on Naruto and his clones (That can't possibly hurt him) despite him not needing to do so when all he needs to do is fire an arrow or an Enton projectile at the toads for a one shot kill.



Why a Rasengan Barrage isn't getting past Susanoo.

-A weaker version blocked Kirin.
-FRS is superior to a Rasengan barrage.

Another Rasen Shuriken could be countered via Amaterasu or just plain blocked by Susanoo, as again, a weaker version blocked Kirin which is superior to FRS. Keep in mind that he can only use 3 FRS for this match.





Since he has two other counters to FRS besides evading it, him putting Susanoo down is not likely.

The conditions simply said there is no time limit on Sage Mode, not that there he has unlimited Sage Chakra as techniques will still use up his chakra, hence why the bold is completely far fetched.


As Jiraiya displayed, a blood marking on the face is required to summon the Toad Sages.

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He also notes that it takes a while to call them.

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This leaves Naruto unable to make clones due to him having to hold the hand sign until their summoned, and without clones, it leaves him helpless to Amaterasu which he can't dodge at all as Ay needed Max Power Shunshin to do so.

That's if he were able to summon them though. As you see he doesn't know the blood marking for their summoning so he won't be able to summon them.

You can argue that this was for him to simply enter Sage Mode by summoning them directly to his body and that he can summon them with absolutely no time restrictions, but then I'd tell you that makes no sense.

-To enter Sage Mode, they attach themselves to the target and gather Nature Energy for them, which takes absolutely no time at all as Fukasaku demonstrated.

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If you argued that Naruto can summon them with no time constraints immediately like any other summoning, then I'd have to ask you why Jiraiya didn't do so? It would have been much much quicker than what he actually did, and based on Jiraiya's statement. Its clear he wanted to get this done as fast as possible.

"We don't have time to watch this guy and learn how he fights"

Not to mention the scan you posted is a temporary paralysis jutsu, its not a game ender. So it won't defeat Sasuke.

FRS isn't destroying Susanoo, not when a tech stronger than it was blocked by a Susanoo a version weaker. Not when FRS couldn't even get past the 3rd Raikage's lighting armor. FRS will definitely damage it though, but Sasuke can repair said damage.

Sorry for the wait, I just got home from work, but i rushed this.

Kirin and Fuuton Rasenshuriken should not be compared because of the ways they are used.
Kirin is a powerful one shot lighting technique with no actual pin point focus. It comes down on a general area that it is guided.
Wind Nature is performed by making chakra as sharp and thin as possible. Wind Release is mainly short to mid-ranged offensive techniques that combine brute force and keen precision to deal cutting and slashing damage. This logic combined with fuuton rasenshuriken should allow Naruto to penetrate Susano'o.

Amaterasu

"Ay needed his Max Power Shunshin in order to evade Amaterasu. "
Ay didn't simply avoid Amaterasu he completely burned it (ironic huh?) He got straight out of Sasuke's line of sight while not being in motion before hand.
He straight up side stepped it like it was nothing while in V2.

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Also need is a little harsh eh? He was once Sasuke pulled out Mangekyou Sharingan then proceeded to treat it like childs play.

Nagato was able to sense the pressure of Ama before it was used. Naruto as a sensor himself should be able to do the same and add in that Naruto saw Itachi's eye bleed before hand, Naruto would also know that Ama is coming when Sasuke's eyes start bleeding. Naruto was several meters away from Tsunade as well as being high up as being on top of two toads and Naruto managed to destroy Asura path before it could react and dodged while being a few inches away from Tsunade. Naruto should have the speed to dodge it and if he wanted to he can use a rasengan or two on the ground as well as some smoke bombs to cloud Sasuke's line of sight, thus saving himself from being hit by Ama. Tsukuyomi likely won't hit due to Naruto not looking(nor need to look) into Sasuke's eyes and Naruto could likely dodge Sasuke's Susanoo arrow's as well. When Naruto senses the pressure he has a few options.
1. He can see it and make a bunshin to take the hit or use the bunshin to throw him self out the way ( he uses clones skillfully)
2. use a smoke bomb to hinder Sasuke's vision.
3. React and dodge it completely(debatable)

Susano'o
Sasuke in his MS state does not "Spam Susano'o" It is very chakra taxing so he uses it only when necessary. With the buff that Naruto got for the purpose of the debate he can outlast Sasuke. One of Naruto's problem is getting through Susanoo. We have seen that Naruto can do two FRS before he goes back to base. As we have also seen of Danzo's enhanced Futon: Shinkurenpa was able to rip a hole in the back of Susanoo. Naruto's FRS seems to be stronger then Danzo's Futon, and can expand which means Sasuke's Susanoo should be take quite a bit of damage from a FRS. Other then that we really haven't seen Susanoo of the higher forms take damage from powerful attacks bar Madara's PS so its hard to tell what Naruto has that can or can't get through. Naruto rasenshuriken will not only perhaps smash susanoo but it will damage it considerably and force sasuke to create another and weaken his chakra considerable since he's only EMS. The same way he stopped the summon

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he could block a susanoo punch.

The Rasenshuriken vs Susano'o debate is always a big ?
Danzou's fuuton is given zero hype while Temari who is the most powerful wind user in the alliance calls Naruto's FRS "what an increadibly powerful wind technique!!" when it hits sandaime. Even when used at 50%, Yamato, Kakashi, Chouji and Ino are amazed at the amount of power the technique has.

FRS is combines the maximum level of shape manipulation along with maximum nature manipulation, and uses almost half of fuuton training base naruto's chakra reserves in order to create. So it's far greater in chakra quantity, nature manipulation and shape manipulation than danzou's fuutons, and those three things are the only thing that determine an offensive jutsu's strength. Considering Danzou's baku-enhanced fuuton can blow open the back of Sasuke's lvl3 susanoo FRS should do a lot more than that attack since it is hyped as by far the most powerful wind technique in the manga. FRS is like Chidori in the sense that it is meant for cutting through defenses and Sasuke would not be wise to attempt to tank it.

Arrows
In the Third databook, Base Naruto and Base Kabuto have the same speed. Sage Mode allowed Kabuto to dodge the Arrows by shear reflexes

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This + the explanation is more than enough to counter Sasuke
on a side note: Kabuto could not even directly see it!

Not when FRS couldn't even get past the 3rd Raikage's lighting armor. FRS will definitely damage it though, but Sasuke can repair said damage.

What some people fail to realize is that the Third Raikage was actually damaged by the Rasenshuriken, as if he was alive he would have been affected on a cellular level. The wind-blades sever all nerve channels in the body, leaving the target unable to move after being struck. They also attack the entire chakra circulatory system, which cannot be repaired by any form of medical ninjutsu whatsoever, so Sasuke will not be healing said damage. Even Temari's attack was effective, it just did not buy enough time for the sealing divisions to seal him.

Taijutsu: Naruto is clearly superior. In sage mode he can predict attacks, even the ones he can see, has a big boost in strength, speed, and stamina and gain frog katas: invisible attacks with one-shot capability.

Summoning
Something like the food chart jutsu or whatever its call will 1 surprise Sasuke, 2 perhaps break his susanoo, and 3 hold Sasuke down. And with Ma and pa that only makes things worst.

Naruto can win this fight by outlasting Sasuke, and Ma and Pa genjutsu is a finisher. Demonic Illusion: Toad Confrontation Chant. After the enemiy have been caught in the genjutsu, all that is left to do is to strike the finishing blow in the real world. Naruto can summon a barrage of clones to distract Sasuke while he summons Fukasaku and Shima. Send them away from the battle for about 5 minutes while they charge up their genjutsu.
This battle with no time limit on Sage Mode especially becomes a long drawn out one and Naruto has all the tools necessary to drag out this fight. If it becomes a long range fight then Naruto can press him with Kage Bunshins and if Sasuke puts down his Susano'o he leaves himself vulnerable to Naruto's offense
Shima and Fukasaku are able to use senjutsu, just like Naruto we can infer that they are able to dodge Naruto's attack.
If they are able to set up Frog Song away from the battlefield and use it after the wait up time they can finish this match.

 

[Blaze Release]

Wait so am i countering, since its passed the time charles gave? :dunno:

 

[Zexion~]

Wait so am i countering, since its passed the time charles gave? :dunno:

Ya just put up a counter, it will most likely be judged

 

[Blaze Release]

Ya just put up a counter, it will most likely be judged

Wow a bossy leader?, fair enough.
Winning by DQ bleak anyway. But its nearly midnight here so when i wake up, ill set the thread ablaze.

If you or Ejblack want to end it, feel free though. Feeling lazy anyway lol

 

[Prince Charles]

sorry about that I didnt mean 1 hour I meant 24 hours as elitekakashi said. Blaze you may post up your counter

 

[johnnyindigo]

sorry about that I didnt mean 1 hour I meant 24 hours as elitekakashi said. Blaze you may post up your counter

lmao and I rushed! I was still 1 minute late

 

[Prince Charles]

lmao and I rushed! I was still 1 minute late

My apologies bro if you want to make some edit or add additional info before blaze posts feel free to

 

[Anub]

the opppsing team has 1 hour to post

the 3 day rule starts from the first argument, not the first post. It was like that for each match-up so far. There's still about a day to post.

 

[johnnyindigo]

My apologies bro if you want to make some edit or add additional info before blaze posts feel free to

Cool thanks, you guys are good to go

 

[Frikid]

This match is far from over.
Post your arguments then i will be replying all of you + my own arguments.

But it sucks to see most of the people here are focusing on winning through DQ or taking advantage of rules, the debate tourny isn't about winning , its about debates (duh.) . If we focus more on debating and less rules spamming/restrictions on debaters , then only it can be called an actual debate tourny .

 

[Zexion~]

This match is far from over.
Post your arguments then i will be replying all of you + my own arguments.

But it sucks to see most of the people here are focusing on winning through DQ or taking advantage of rules, the debate tourny isn't about winning , its about debates (duh.) . If we focus more on debating and less rules spamming/restrictions on debaters , then only it can be called an actual debate tourny .

we all said we would like it to be judged and NO DQ..

 

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Amaterasu counter refute
What happened with EI is that he took a chance and looked into Sasuke's eyes. He then reacted and went into v2 state. However he was not sure what attack it was because they had no info concerning sasuke's abilities. His state of mind when he went into v2 wasn't to dodge amaterasu because he had no idea what was coming, but rather a general response to an incoming attack, which could have very well had been a illusion based, something that would proved his response futile.

This quote interests me. You claim:

"Naruto saw Itachi's eye bleed before hand, Naruto would also know that Ama is coming when Sasuke's eyes start bleeding".

No he didn't

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. After itachi had activated the Mangekyō Sharingan, naruto anticipated whether it would be tsukuyomi or amaterasu.

But you contradict yourself. In the first quote you acknowledged that naruto looked into itachi's eyes. But in the next quote you say "Tsukuyomi likely won't hit due to Naruto not looking(nor need to look) into Sasuke's eyes"


Since the information given is full, naruto will have information and along with the sensing abilities grant him awareness.


But awareness alone isn't enough to evade amaterasu. While this is a off topic, lee said something important that can be used in this scenario also when he had a duel with sasuke. He said being able to see it is pointless if you lack the body speed. The same thing can be said here. Naruto might be able to sense amaterasu, but sm naruto lacks the body speed.

Sennin modo is a form that increases a persons abilities.
While this is an impressive form, it comes down to how powerful the shinobi's base is. Base naruto's speed is nothing to wiritng home about. Yes sm increases his speed, however not enough to elude the sharingans sight [

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]. Something that was possible with EI, a shinobi who's shunshin alone surpasses sm naruto, but has went further and augmented this speed with his raiton. Yes naruto achieving what he did with one of one's paths is impressive, however to use that to claim he could evade amaterasu is futile and you knew that enough to come up with other possible counters, none being viable though.

Sm naruto simple doesn't have the speed regardless of the awareness he gains from sennin modo and the upgrade of speed

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Naruto in km for the first time witnessed amaterasu being used in battle and it was cause for concern for him. Sennin modo while holding the superior awareness to km naruto, has the inferior body speed.

The use of genjutsu could also be administered before the use of amaterasu therefore creating an opening for sasuke, regardless of whether in this case kurama could dispel the illusion, it may be too late

Susanoo and RS refute


Susano has many stages and with every stage increases its defense capabilities. To state the obvious rs is a fuuton based attack. We know for a fact that, when wind comes in contact with fire it makes fire stronger.

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Note that the above links was during naruto's training, where he developed rs ironically.

We have seen examples of this with kakuzu

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But also saw sasuke take advantage of baku's wind technique to use a katon based attack

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A complement given my Obito

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It is in sasuke's nature to take advantage of his and his opponents chakra nature.

RS, has shown to be thrown from a distance by naruto. Sasuke can take advantage and use a taken based attack while the technique is in mid air, to neutralise as much as possible its effect or use amaterasu, which will cause the rs to become a much bigger amaterasu, a feat sasuke has shown recently. Such a strategy will completely neutralise naruto's rs attack because, it merely fuels sasuke's amaterasu and makes it even more of a threat for sasuke, which can be used later as it cannot be extinguished

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It is very possible that sasuno's first stage covered with amaterasu can neutralise the effect of RS because it the technique was to come in contact with the amaterasu engulfed susanoo, it will merely fuel sasuke's amaterasu further, rathe than damage susano.


Susano arrow refute

Its futile to acknowledge the Sha no Sho stats which was pulished in 2008, roughly 5 years ago. But laos doesn;t take into consideration the speed of sm naruto or sm kabuto. You cannot state their equality when it is not in the context of the current manga situation. Yes sm naruto ha shown incredible reaction time, however it being on par with sm kabuto is an exaggeration when you consider that, kakashi who has fairly decide speed, couldn't react to the arrows and had to use kamui



Summoning counter
The mindset of this scenario is that naruto is in character. While its true naruto at times implements the kuchiyose, its not a technique he relies on and if he does summon he summons 1 toad and not a 'toad army'. Next the Yatai Kuzushi no Jutsu, takes advantage two things. The body mass of the toad and the height of the fall. Basically while the set body mass of the toad can be stated to be consistent, if its dropped at a lesser height it will not be destructive, than if dropped at a higher height.

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NINJUTSU; Kuchiyose: Yatai Kuzushi no jutsu (Summoning: Cargo Shattering technique*)
User: Jiraiya
Offensive; Close, Medium, Long ranges; Rank: B

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A destructive dive that takes full advantage of a giant Toad's bodily mass! The strength of the fall varies depending on the caster. In the case of someone like Jiraiya from the Sannin, the summon can be performed in an instant right above the target, further adding the great gravitational force of a good several hundred meters high dive to the Toad's own weight!!

To translate, naruto risks increasing the destructive power of the technique by increasing the height or lessoning the destructive power of the technique by decreasing the height. To increase the power of the techniques means that it has to be summoned on the target from a considerable height, but the greater the height, you increases the duration before it hits the targets meaning a shinobi with enough speed should be able to evade it. Add a sharingan user to the picture and such a technique is futile. To date said technique has only worked on either large animals or people lacking in speed and/or awareness.

If naruto was to decrease the height of the technique, therefore increasing the speed in which it lands, it will not be as destructive because the weight of the frog and the height in which it is dropped determines how powerful the technique. From a lesser height, it may prove difficult to evade but its power will not be as strong, strong enough to dismantle susanoo.

Increase in height and it can be evaded completely.

The use of a susano covered amaterasu will put doubt in naruto;s mind whether to use this technique at all

While naruto is limited to 1 summon due to IC restrictions, it benefits Sasuke if naruto was to summon.
Sasuke has already shown genjutsu prowess that has allowed him to retrieve information, but also control shinobi's and animal alone. He has achieved this feat, when he managed to control manda, a high calibre summoning.

Such a strategy can be used by sasuke, where instead of naruto gaining an ally, naruto gives sasuke an ally, while he receives a foe. Such strategy will not only put naruto at a disadvantage because he uses summonings as distractions, with that is striped of him and in sasuke's hands, naruto will now be left in a dilemma. Whether to fight and injure is own summon or try and put a stop to it, possible causing hesitation something that can be fatal in a fight. Putting doubt in an enemy's heart

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The ability to control and use naruto's summoning is something nauto has to think about if he decides to summon

Ma & Pa counter

Again the scenario states that naruto is in character. Summons alone aren't his main fighting style let alone summoning fukasaku and shima, something naruto hasn't done to date.

When people usually talk about summoning the two they raise the argument that, the character in question has a contract with the frogs therefore they can summon whoever. But the same databook page they upload disagree's with them.

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It states that a contract with the toads mens you have access to all of them. But it goes further to state that "However the toads one can summon will depend on his/her abilities".

So while it does state that a contract with the frogs means you have access, it also states that skill/abilities will determine what you CAN/CANNOT summon.

Jiraiya, the shinobi with the most experience and versatility with ninjutsu from Mount Myōboku had to initiate a way in order to summon these 2 sage's. He initially used the original kuchiyose to summon Gamaken, to stall while he summons fukasaku and shima.

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For a fact we know that he has to perform a totally different form of contract where the DB states

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The difference between ordinary toads and fukasaku * shima is clear:
They are sages
Another form of contract is required to summon them
Takes a fair amount of time to summon them

And perhaps that can explain why in the DB it distinguishes the difference between the toads

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Further backed by another DB quotation acknowledging his his rarity of summoning him.

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The Sacred Mountain where numerous Toads are assembled. In Myoubokuzan (Mt. Myouboku), he is one of the Two Great Toad Sages, second in status to the Grand Toad Hermit. He is also a teacher to Jiraiya, from the Sannin. The one who personally pounded the power of the Toads and Senjutsu into him. Trained up in the use of chakra in symbiosis with Nature, this 800 year-old doesn't know decline. His demeanor gives out a sense of magnificence, and the Toads under his command hold him in great esteem, calling him the "Boss". Because the number of people who summon him is extremely limited, he doesn't take an active part in conflicts, but the one times when he does proceed onto the battlefield, he will let out his out-of-this-world jutsu, as so many miracles!!

If we were to assume two things. First is that naruto will summon them. Next is that he also can perform the same ritual as jiraiya, chances are naruto will fail. Jiraiya had the advantage of fighting arguable the weakest path with the slowest techniques, secondly the location advantage where he can hid.

In this match up naruto is facing a shinobi who has greater ninjutsu execution and faster techniques that himself or the path, but also the location makes it impossible for naruto to stall long enough to summon them. However while what you have proposed is near impossible, ill still challenge your stance on Gama Rinshō and Senpō Kawazu Naki

Countering Gama Rinshō and Senpō Kawazu Naki

Gama rinsho has two glaring weaknesses. One is that it takes a considerable amount of time to use. The second is that it is a duet and cannot be performed by either fukasaku or shima, it has to be both. While Senpō Kawazu Naki, admittedly isn't as time consuming as Gama rinsho, it still takes some effort in order to gather senjutsu to perform, however it still has the weakness of gama rinsho which is that it has to be performed together by fukasaku and shima in order to be effective, but also its paralysis potency pales when compared to gamarinsho, but also such weak paralysis technique shouldn't affect sasuke, a shinobi who seems to grow stronger with anger and has already overcame a higher paralysis technique in the form of danzo's juinjutsu, a paralysis based technique that sasuke overcame.

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With Sasuke having full information he would also note these weaknesses. With the location being open space, it makes the preparation of gama rinsho so difficult that tendo took advantage of this time and killed fukasaku therefore nullifying the threat of this attack

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With no place to hide and basically the exact location, it comes down to which attack will be executed first.
Sasuke's amaterasu or susano arrow. Better yet he has other attacks such as Chidori Senbon or Chidori Eisō, all able to kill either fukasaku or shima, perhaps both even before they can execute gama rinsho.

The ability to control through sharingan genjutsu can also be used on either shima or fukasaku, furthermore limiting their usefulness in this battle.


Kage bunshin counter

The kage bunshin technique is not a technique that naruto can use often even in this scenario where he doesn't suffer from the time limitations of sm something that would have limited him further. However such usage could still strip him off sennin modo and return not only himself to base, but also his clones.

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Next is that the sharingan can not only halt and potentially put to an end naruto's sennin modo usage, the sharingan can also be used to end naruto's kage bunshin usage.

We have seen that a 3 tomoe sasuke hast he feats capable of suppressing kurama within naruto.

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Its possible that this can be reversed and instead of suppressing the fox's power, sasuke can release it within naruto. Possible an ability gained by the Mangekyō Sharingan which allowed obito to do something similar to kushina

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While not proposing that sasuke can yank out kurama from naruto. It is possible that especially with the Mangekyō Sharingan, he can manipulate further kurama even within naruto, like has already has done with the base sharingan and perhaps do the opposite of suppressing the fox which is to unleash a bit of its chakra, in order to overbalance and disrupt naruto's chakra therefore possible causing harm to his sennin modo transformation.

Such a thing will also hinder naruto;s kage bunshin who have shown to disperse when the fox's chakra is out of control

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Take note that sasuke is also a highly skilled shuriken user. With the use of the Kuchiyose Raikō Kenka, he ha shown to be able to summon and use shuriken in a high speed duel with itachi. Such a technique can be of good use when dealing with base naruto clones.

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Later agains't danzo

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Such strategy along with other shurikenjutsu feats such as the use of;
Fūma Shuriken
Sōfūshasan no Tachi
Kage Shuriken no Jutsu

Could all be used to conserve energy and deal with the threat of clones with minimum usage on his reserves.

Conclusion

I do not feel the opposing team took into consideration the case study or rather understood the term IC. For them to claim naruto will use fukasaku and shima, a feat he has not managed to do, but also out of the context of the IC scenario. With an IC naruto comes with possibility of him being summoning only 1 toad if he does decide to use this ability, something he does rarely.

Therefore the IC poses a restriction on naruto and without the use of fukasaku and shima, naruto's only hope. Its difficult to see sm naruto beating ms sasuke​

 

[Blaze Release]

Bruh i be tired and lazy.

If there are mistakes too bad

 

[Prince Charles]

This match is now officially over I believe?