NB & Filler 'Canon' (i wrote about Nb in my Dissertation lool)

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So for my dissertation i'm writing a piece about Audience Reception and Fandom Culture. I had to write a segment on who decides what is 'canon' and realised i'm around people who do that everyday! Here's the NB segment of the essay, hope you enjoy haha

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Anime ‘filler’ is the derogatory term given to story arcs that are put between what is considered the ‘main canon’ episodes. These episodes unlike the canon are not adapted from the original manga and therefore penned by other writers, for the meticulous and fact-loving Naruto fanbase for instance- these episodes are immediately discounted for this reason and considered void of any relevance, feats or even quality when this often is not the case.

Whilst other mediums and series have their ‘expanded universes’ or tie-in book series, TV series etc. Anime is truly unique in its audience’s notion of ‘non-canon filler’. The word ‘filler’ itself indulgently demerits it as a piece of entertainment- as if one text has more legitimacy than another, treating the source material as a biblical-like text. Similar to ‘Harry Potter’, it’s the mentality that only the books matter, everything else is denied due to outside influence. Yet this is the same community that constantly impose and suggest their own meanings and interpretations interestingly, I myself have even posited an alternative rewriting of series ‘Naruto Shippuden’ in the past- upon where I realised it was essentially the same process of fan-theorising. I genuinely wanted my interpretation of an existing work to be heard, injecting myself into the text in the process.

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This is what truly engaging works have the power to do and is what led me to truly believe that all of us unconsciously, secretly are writers. Norman Holland contributed to this debate with his theory of ‘Identity’, stating that “My reading of a certain literary work will differ from yours or his or hers. As readers, each of us will bring different kinds of external information to bear. Each will seek out the particular themes that concern him. Each will have different ways of making the text into an experience with a coherence and significance that satisfies.” Texts are impregnated by the characteristics of the individual. Embedding our own patterns of desire and adaptation into them naturally through the process of reading.

The reader, as a role itself is a man without “history, without biography, without psychology” (as the author does) “he is only someone who holds gathered into a single field all the paths of which the text is constituted.” He was the one who suggested we truly interact with the work, injecting ourselves into the text and making the text part of our own psychic economy- forcing ourselves and our views into it. Popular cult series such as ‘Harry Potter’ or ‘Naruto’ are thus, always growing.

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Ironically though, even though there is a single name attributed to ‘Naruto Shippuden’, there has never just been one writer. From the contributions of his editors, confirmed inspirations and audience interaction, Masashi Kishimoto is a writer that plays to fan favourites, giving his audience what he thinks they would like to see- in a certain way, the audience as a collective were the writers of the actual story- the author was just the one who assembled these influences.

This is an almost literal example of Barthes’ point that no writing is original, Kishimoto is an author who blatantly conveys the world’s influences quite literally and celebrates them. The reception of ‘unholy’ non-canon is therefore bizarre, refuting entertainment for lore, trying to apply fact to fiction. This sub-culture is an extreme end of the spectrum, whilst the community surrounding fan-theories is the other.


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and if that wasn't funny enough for you then here's sasuke getting peed on (its canon)
 
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Awesome bro

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So it's confirmed, Tenseigan is canon and is on par with Rinnegan
 

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So it's confirmed, Tenseigan is canon and based on facts Neji would've been stronger than Toneri if he was given Hamura's chakra

You still have to play by the rules given to you of that fictional world. If somebody can prove that you've broken an established rule then eh then it goes from fan-theory to fan-fiction. And that's cool too, sometimes I imagine DSM Orochimaru for fun.
 

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While this was a good read, there are sometimes when things in the "filler" contradict the "canon". What do you make of that?
 
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While this was a good read, there are sometimes when things in the "filler" contradict the "canon". What do you make of that?

I've said on another thread before that although fillers do have plot-conflicting mistakes from time to time...

Obito's age....How the world existed before the Sage made the Moon....Minato's face on the Cliff whilst he was a Jonin...Naruto's exam entry age...Obito's chakra usage...Madara's blind entire moveset...60% of the Databooks oh wait those are canon.

Kishi makes mistakes himself and authorial intent shouldn't be put so high on a pedestal imo, inaccuracies are no indicator.
 

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I've said on another thread before that although fillers do have plot-conflicting mistakes from time to time...

Obito's age....How the world existed before the Sage made the Moon....Minato's face on the Cliff whilst he was a Jonin...Naruto's exam entry age...Obito's chakra usage...Madara's blind entire moveset...60% of the Databooks oh wait those are canon.

Kishi makes mistakes himself and authorial intent shouldn't be put so high on a pedestal imo, inaccuracies are no indicator.

You missed my point, I wasn't referring to mistakes but to contradictions, I believe in contradictions canon takes precedence, and we might as well extend this precedence to the whole canon story line (as opposed to the filler storyline, even when there are no contradictions).

Edit: there's also the fact that filler oftentimes don't have continuity, and since they're fillers the producers do whatever they please with the story, usually making the filler stories dumb, which justifies the view most people have on fillers
 
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I just want to say that I envy you, as someone else writing a dissertation not on anything related to culture. Good work by the way.
 

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You missed my point, I wasn't referring to mistakes but to contradictions, I believe in contradictions canon takes precedence, and we might as well extend this precedence to the whole canon story line (as opposed to the filler storyline, even when there are no contradictions).

Edit: there's also the fact that filler oftentimes don't have continuity, and since they're fillers the producers do whatever they please with the story, usually making the filler stories dumb, which justifies the view most people have on fillers

Ah but Obito's age, the Hokage rockface, the databook are contradictions, no?

If it's concerning where it fits into the timeframe of the series then I can consider that an artistic liberty. Like that's relatively harmless and doesn't affect anyone.
 

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Ah but Obito's age, the Hokage rockface, the databook are contradictions, no?

If it's concerning where it fits into the timeframe of the series then I can consider that an artistic liberty. Like that's relatively harmless and doesn't affect anyone.

In the end the manga is greater than the Databook or even the Author's words, when they contradict the Manga, but at this point it becomes a matter of opinion as some will disagree
 

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In the end the manga is greater than the Databook or even the Author's words, when they contradict the Manga, but at this point it becomes a matter of opinion as some will disagree

You said it's greater but that's all because people always have this mindset that the mangaka who is the originator are the core elements of this franchise but nothing ever states that the outsource are "fillers" especially that if the writers or studio was being acknowledge by Kishimoto to produce movies, ova or novels which alot fit in the context of this story then it's more or less to be canon.
Kishimoto even went far to be involve with some project to some certain extent with some Hiden novels, Naruto the Last and even scripted Boruto Movie entirely. All this and people still disregarded it despite Kishimoto involvement.

Let me remind you that Kishi as a mangaka didn't initially scripted everything when he had editors who scrambled his work and Kishi was also being influence by the fans, his life, and his family to simply adapt to how his series become.


So in the end, it all comes down to your subjective ,manner that "manga are superior", but deep down in the back of your head where nobody goes, anything could be canon.
 

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You said it's greater but that's all because people always have this mindset that the mangaka who is the originator are the core elements of this franchise but nothing ever states that the outsource are "fillers" especially that if the writers or studio was being acknowledge by Kishimoto to produce movies, ova or novels which alot fit in the context of this story then it's more or less to be canon.
Kishimoto even went far to be involve with some project to some certain extent with some Hiden novels, Naruto the Last and even scripted Boruto Movie entirely. All this and people still disregarded it despite Kishimoto involvement.

Let me remind you that Kishi as a mangaka didn't initially scripted everything when he had editors who scrambled his work and Kishi was also being influence by the fans, his life, and his family to simply adapt to how his series become.


So in the end, it all comes down to your subjective ,manner that "manga are superior", but deep down in the back of your head where nobody goes, anything could be canon.

So, what takes precedence when there are contradictions? (I mean between the manga and other pseudo-canon materials), cos if the manga takes precedence then surely the manga is at a level of "canonicity" superior to the other sources.
 
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