[Discussion] Natsu is way too Hyped

[90sKids98]

1) We literally have NO idea of Gray's power... The only panel we have of him is him with the DS mark.. That's hyping at its finest
2) You think she can casually block a DF/LFD Natsu? The same DF Natsu that beat Jellal? Lol no unless you actually think Minerva is on a higher level than Jellal
3) Kagura vs Erza was a see saw battle.. There was no solo... A solo is what Seira did to Mirajane.. A complete curbstomp.. Which wasn't the case between the two..
4) Zero still was defeated by a DF Natsu so once again why are people listing him?
5) I agree so people saying he can't win have no idea

1. Who cares what we haven't seen? We know already what that power can do so..
2. Did you not see the episode where she blocked LFD Natsu from hitting Jiemma or whatever his name is?
3. I never said she did solo, I said she could have... Kagura is beyond underrated
4. I thought Natsu won only because of Plot? Idk I dont remember the fight that much

 

[Killua Zoldyck]

The list of people that he can't beat (not in order list):

1. Zeref
2. Acnologia
3. Mard
4. Silver
5. Kyoraku
6. Sayla
7. Precht
8. Warlod
9. Bluenote
10. Ultear
11. Jura
12. Gildarts
13. Makarov
14. Laxus
15. Jellal
16. Erza
17. Mira
18. Current Gray (estimation)
19. Future Rogue Chaney
20. Porla
21. Orga Nanager (not sure, tho)
22. Mystogan
23. Minerva

Edit: some more estimation
24. Mavis
25. Yuriy
26. E.N.D.
27. Ivan (Lost to Laxus, but who wouldn't?, I think there is more about his power)
26./27./28./29. Other guild masters

He can beat the bolded. Also, where is Torafusa? Its actually canon that Torafusa beats him.

 

[TheGrandSage23]

1. Who cares what we haven't seen? We know already what that power can do so..
2. Did you not see the episode where she blocked LFD Natsu from hitting Jiemma or whatever his name is?
3. I never said she did solo, I said she could have... Kagura is beyond underrated
4. I thought Natsu won only because of Plot? Idk I dont remember the fight that much

1) you're basing your speculation and I'm stating feat wise.. Natsu beats Gray.. DF is overkill
2) Manga wise she came and teleported his attack with her magic.. She came out of nowhere when his focus was on Gemma.. She can't keep teleporting in rapid succession as evidence when she was bombarded with Erza's attacks
3) If so she should've done it sooner but she couldn't

 

[Blackdeath667]

1) you're basing your speculation and I'm stating feat wise.. Natsu beats Gray.. DF is overkill
2) Manga wise she came and teleported his attack with her magic.. She came out of nowhere when his focus was on Gemma.. She can't keep teleporting in rapid succession as evidence when she was bombarded with Erza's attacks
3) If so she should've done it sooner but she couldn't

gray could beat natsu...but its unlikely


plus on that magic game thing wasn't gray ranked higher than base natsu

 

[Killuaa]

He can beat the bolded. Also, where is Torafusa? Its actually canon that Torafusa beats him.

I think he can beat Mystogan as well.

1. Who cares what we haven't seen? We know already what that power can do so..
2. Did you not see the episode where she blocked LFD Natsu from hitting Jiemma or whatever his name is?
3. I never said she did solo, I said she could have... Kagura is beyond underrated
4. I thought Natsu won only because of Plot? Idk I dont remember the fight that much

1. We know what Silver can do, the magic may have a different form with a different caster.
2. She never blocked anything, she redirected it.
3. Kagura is only a bit above Knightwalker and that's it.
4. DF. So, technically, yeah, Plot.

 

[90sKids98]

I think he can beat Mystogan as well.



1. We know what Silver can do, the magic may have a different form with a different caster.
2. She never blocked anything, she redirected it.
3. Kagura is only a bit above Knightwalker and that's it.
4. DF. So, technically, yeah, Plot.

1. Stop, we know Slayer Magic doesn't vary from User To user
2. Who cares what she did? She solos Natsu with that Spatial Magic
3. LOOOOOL! Knightwalkers Level my ass, Kagura broke The Adamantine Armor with ease

 

[90sKids98]

1) you're basing your speculation and I'm stating feat wise.. Natsu beats Gray.. DF is overkill
2) Manga wise she came and teleported his attack with her magic.. She came out of nowhere when his focus was on Gemma.. She can't keep teleporting in rapid succession as evidence when she was bombarded with Erza's attacks
3) If so she should've done it sooner but she couldn't

At this point you are just wanking Natsu

1. Slayer Magic doesn't vary from user to user, therfore Gray will he able to freeze Natsu's Fire
2. Minerva is Too OP, her Spatial Magic is sort of like Kamui so.. Natsu loses sorry bud
3. She didnt do it sooner because she realized who Erza was. Please Stop

 

[90sKids98]

He can beat the bolded. Also, where is Torafusa? Its actually canon that Torafusa beats him.

LEL! I thought Sayla could control people? Natsu loses sorry
Minerva can defeat Natsu easily sorry, it took Erza's Nakagamo Armor to finish her
Gray and Silver are debatable
Ultear was toying with Natsu during the Tenrou Arc lmao
Mira solos Natsu Mid Diff with them satan souls

 

[Forbidden Tale]

He can beat the bolded. Also, where is Torafusa? Its actually canon that Torafusa beats him.

1. Silver already one shoted him.
2. Sayla was quite stronger than Mira.
3. Ultear power was portrayed as one of the strongest female, Natsu is inferior to her.
4. Same with Mira.
5. Orga is Ace of Sabertooth.
6. Minerva blocked LFD Natsu attack.

Just to add to the dabate. DF Natsu is not part of Natsu's power, since he can't enter that mode by himself.

 

[Killuaa]

1. Stop, we know Slayer Magic doesn't vary from User To user
2. Who cares what she did? She solos Natsu with that Spatial Magic
3. LOOOOOL! Knightwalkers Level my ass, Kagura broke The Adamantine Armor with ease

1. How can you be sure that Devil Slaying Magic is any different? You have no actual evidence of that.
2. No she doesn't. She was only able to redirect the attack because it lacks AOE, had that attack have a bigger size, he would've wrecked their entire guild.
3. So? Did Knightwalker even try to break it at all? Power-scaling wise, Knightwalker is even above Kagura. Knightwalker was equal to pre-TS Erza, the same Erza that beat Kagura.

 

[Killuaa]

1. Silver already one shoted him.
2. Sayla was quite stronger than Mira.
3. Ultear power was portrayed as one of the strongest female, Natsu is inferior to her.
4. Same with Mira.
5. Orga is Ace of Sabertooth.
6. Minerva blocked LFD Natsu attack.

Just to add to the dabate. DF Natsu is not part of Natsu's power, since he can't enter that mode by himself.

1. While Natsu was distracted.
2. Mira is weaker than Natsu.
3. Ultear is weaker than Zancrow, portrayal is all she has.
4. Same as number 2.
5. Orga is one-shottable. Natsu's punch's DC is greater than the one that Jura used to knock him out.
6. She redirected it, she didn't block it.

 

[90sKids98]

1. How can you be sure that Devil Slaying Magic is any different? You have no actual evidence of that.
2. No she doesn't. She was only able to redirect the attack because it lacks AOE, had that attack have a bigger size, he would've wrecked their entire guild.
3. So? Did Knightwalker even try to break it at all? Power-scaling wise, Knightwalker is even above Kagura. Knightwalker was equal to pre-TS Erza, the same Erza that beat Kagura.

At this point you are wanking Natsu ._.
1. Slaying Magic is always the same just different Elements and Types. Demon Slaying is no different from God and Dragon, as see when Silver ate Grays Ice
2. Minerva > Natsu please stop. Erza had trouble against her and Natsu isnt even in Erza's League yet
3. Kagura destroyed a huge path of the city by Unsheathing Her sword, who cares about destruxtion anyways? Kagura > Natsu again sorry

 

[90sKids98]

1. While Natsu was distracted.
2. Mira is weaker than Natsu.
3. Ultear is weaker than Zancrow, portrayal is all she has.
4. Same as number 2.
5. Orga is one-shottable. Natsu's punch's DC is greater than the one that Jura used to knock him out.
6. She redirected it, she didn't block it.

Those counters are so bad they arent even funny. Ultear Solos Natsu, hell she had fun toying woth him during the Tenrou Arc.
Mira One Shots Natsu with Sitri Form XD Sorry but GG

At this point you just look like a wanker :/

 

[Killua Zoldyck]

1. Silver already one shoted him.

Its called PIS, Gray beat Silver, and Gray has always been portrayed as the weaker of the two. Normally Natsu dodges it or simply heats up his body.

2. Sayla was quite stronger than Mira.

Mira is literally worse then Natsu in every aspect bar intelligence, LFD Natsu blitzes Mira even easier then Sayla did and he can actually one shot her with secret art.

3. Ultear power was portrayed as one of the strongest female, Natsu is inferior to her.

Ultear lost to Pre-TS Gray, in no shape or form has she ever been portrayed as one of the strongest females. And we have feats, Natsu's feats destroy hers.

4. Same with Mira.

Natsu destroys Mira with feats. Enough with the portrayal already.

5. Orga is Ace of Sabertooth.

Orga got one shotted by Jura. Jura can beat Natsu, be he sure as hell ain't one shotting him.

6. Minerva blocked LFD Natsu attack.

And? Does blocking a mere LFD punch warrant her higher strength then Natsu? The answer is no. He overwhelms her with a barrage of roar, punches, kicks and secret art for the victory.

Just to add to the dabate. DF Natsu is not part of Natsu's power, since he can't enter that mode by himself.

Sure, I never considered DF as part of his power either.

LEL! I thought Sayla could control people? Natsu loses sorry

He controlled Elfman dude, Sayla's durability is shit, Natsu's roar destroys her.

Minerva can defeat Natsu easily sorry, it took Erza's Nakagamo Armor to finish her

Erza had just finished fighting Kagura and had a broken leg, the fact that she beat Minerva is actually sad. Natsu destroys her.

Ultear was toying with Natsu during the Tenrou Arc lmao

Natsu has gotten far stronger since then, Ultear also lost to Gray.

Mira solos Natsu Mid Diff with them satan souls

What's Satan souls best feat? Couldn't even get to Azuma last time I checked. LFD Natsu blitzes her just like how he blitzed the Demons, only Mira's durability is not even close to that of the Demons.

 

[90sKids98]

Its called PIS, Gray beat Silver, and Gray has always been portrayed as the weaker of the two. Normally Natsu dodges it or simply heats up his body.



Mira is literally worse then Natsu in every aspect bar intelligence, LFD Natsu blitzes Mira even easier then Sayla did and he can actually one shot her with secret art.



Ultear lost to Pre-TS Gray, in no shape or form has she ever been portrayed as one of the strongest females. And we have feats, Natsu's feats destroy hers.



Natsu destroys Mira with feats. Enough with the portrayal already.



Orga got one shotted by Jura. Jura can beat Natsu, be he sure as hell ain't one shotting him.



And? Does blocking a mere LFD punch warrant her higher strength then Natsu? The answer is no. He overwhelms her with a barrage of roar, punches, kicks and secret art for the victory.



Sure, I never considered DF as part of his power either.



He controlled Elfman dude, Sayla's durability is shit, Natsu's roar destroys her.



Erza had just finished fighting Kagura and had a broken leg, the fact that she beat Minerva is actually sad. Natsu destroys her.



Natsu has gotten far stronger since then, Ultear also lost to Gray.



What's Satan souls best feat? Couldn't even get to Azuma last time I checked. LFD Natsu blitzes her just like how he blitzed the Demons, only Mira's durability is not even close to that of the Demons.

Lmao, I should thank you for proving the point of this thread. You hype Natsu way too much

Ultear lost to Gray because she was distracted xD Ultear could still solo current natsu so stop please.
Mira is far more powerful than Natsu, theres a reason Mira is S-Class and Natsu isn't
Who cares if it was Elfman? Controlling someone is controlling someone, it didnt matter who it was
LoooL, Minerva > Natsu idk why people try to deny that
LOOOOL, Ice Demon Slayer magic freezes ice please stop ignoring that. Theres a reason Natsu couldnt warm himself out of Silver's Ice

 

[Killuaa]

At this point you are wanking Natsu ._.
1. Slaying Magic is always the same just different Elements and Types. Demon Slaying is no different from God and Dragon, as see when Silver ate Grays Ice
2. Minerva > Natsu please stop. Erza had trouble against her and Natsu isnt even in Erza's League yet
3. Kagura destroyed a huge path of the city by Unsheathing Her sword, who cares about destruxtion anyways? Kagura > Natsu again sorry

No, you're BS-ing Natsu for some reason.

1. We know this because? How sure are you that it works the same way? Did Silver even use it on a demon? You can't even show me a proof when Silver used it against any of Tartarus demons.
2. Stop? Do you even know how to compare feats? Natsu exceeds Minerva except for movement speed and AOE. Everything else is Natsu's.
3. So? She was still defeated by pre-TS Erza level, while post-TS Erza has feats comparable to Natsu's. It's debatable if he can beat Kagura though.

 

[Killuaa]

Lmao, I should thank you for proving the point of this thread. You hype Natsu way too much

1. Ultear lost to Gray because she was distracted xD Ultear could still solo current natsu so stop please.
2. Mira is far more powerful than Natsu, theres a reason Mira is S-Class and Natsu isn't
3. Who cares if it was Elfman? Controlling someone is controlling someone, it didnt matter who it was
4. LoooL, Minerva > Natsu idk why people try to deny that
5. LOOOOL, Ice Demon Slayer magic freezes ice please stop ignoring that. Theres a reason Natsu couldnt warm himself out of Silver's Ice

1. How exactly will Ultear defeat Natsu? Her orbs again? She'd be lucky if she dents Natsu. Her ice is even weaker than pre-TS Gray. Current Natsu >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pre-TS Gray
2. So? S-class is just for portrayal, Natsu can one-shot Mirajane if he wants to. Only if he's serious though.
3. NLF. Mirajane can't macro people stronger than Elfman. Sayla's macro seems to be the better one, being able to use it on corpses and books, which I doubt would do much against Natsu.
4. Coz we know what we're talking about. You don't.
5. You're the ignorant one. You keep pushing it when it's still featless. You're going through desperate measures to lowball Natsu.

Those counters are so bad they arent even funny. Ultear Solos Natsu, hell she had fun toying woth him during the Tenrou Arc.
Mira One Shots Natsu with Sitri Form XD Sorry but GG

At this point you just look like a wanker :/

What feats does Ultear have that is comparable to Natsu's? Counters? Do you know I'm not even trying in this debate and all your points are already debunked? Serious Natsu would wreck Ultear. That was a Natsu who was not even serious.

No. Mira has no feats in Sitri other than one-shotting Jenny, getting two-shotted by Sayla and one-shotting a flower.
You may have to actually look at it objectively to see how flawed your statements are.

Wanker? Give me feats that prove your BS statements. Panels. You think you're making even one point correct when all your posts are practically all speculations and a way to low ball Natsu.

 

[90sKids98]

No, you're BS-ing Natsu for some reason.

1. We know this because? How sure are you that it works the same way? Did Silver even use it on a demon? You can't even show me a proof when Silver used it against any of Tartarus demons.
2. Stop? Do you even know how to compare feats? Natsu exceeds Minerva except for movement speed and AOE. Everything else is Natsu's.
3. So? She was still defeated by pre-TS Erza level, while post-TS Erza has feats comparable to Natsu's. It's debatable if he can beat Kagura though.

She wasnt defeated by Erza tho? She got back up soo, she would have defeated her if she didnt listen to what Erza said
Minerva can do so much with that Spatial Magic, if she's 100% she solos Natsu sorry
Her Macro Ability allows her to control people, therefore controls Natsu so...
Silver said he was gonna use it to take down Tartarus, now your just finding excuses lmao

 

[Killuaa]

She wasnt defeated by Erza tho? She got back up soo, she would have defeated her if she didnt listen to what Erza said

After the Benizakura slash, it was already clear who won. She was already outclassing Kagura in speed and power. And this is Erza who was getting her ass kicked not too long ago.

Minerva can do so much with that Spatial Magic, if she's 100% she solos Natsu sorry

Prove it. Stop stating statements that doesn't have feats to go by. Give me a panel that says she can take Natsu.

She can do a lot with it, sad that she's not smart enough to find ways how to use it efficiently.

Her Macro Ability allows her to control people, therefore controls Natsu so...

You're committing a No Limit Fallacy here. She can only control people weaker than Elfman until shown otherwise.

Silver said he was gonna use it to take down Tartarus, now your just finding excuses lmao

Excuses? You're making stupid statements which are all disagreeable as there is more to it than how you see it. It shows you don't know how to look at feats which is really sad.

There's no proof of that. Just a statement, and statements don't go very far in this manga.

 

[Killuaa]

Mira is literally worse then Natsu in every aspect bar intelligence, LFD Natsu blitzes Mira even easier then Sayla did and he can actually one shot her with secret art.

I'd give Mirajane experience and mobility though (coz of flight)