[Discussion] Natsu is way too Hyped

[90sKids98]

People say DF or LFDM solos most people, but that is just plain bs. There is a huge list of people Natsu still can't beat even in either of those forms:
Erza
Laxus
Jellal
Kagura
Minerva
Mirajane
Gildarts
Mard Geer (I really don't think anyone atm can defeat this guy alone)
Hades (too bad his devil's heart was destroyed)



There are probably multiple other people Natsu still can't beat. If you disagree with one of the ones I've said, please make at least a valid argument to make it an enjoyable discussion.

P.S: Do you think Gray can handle LFDM or DF Natsu with Ice Demon Slayer Magic now? The ice can freeze fire now so I think Gray has a good chance, but its really hard to decide

 

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[Akame]

Natsu defeats all except gildarts.

 

[Blackdeath667]

df natsu has hype and feats...it stomped pre jellal and give you the power of a dragon




other than that..their are plenty of people he cant beat

 

[90sKids98]

df natsu has hype and feats...it stomped pre jellal and give you the power of a dragon




other than that..their are plenty of people he cant beat

Current Jellal obliterates Natsu with Sema

 

[Forbidden Tale]

The list of people that he can't beat (not in order list):

1. Zeref
2. Acnologia
3. Mard
4. Silver
5. Kyoraku
6. Sayla
7. Precht
8. Warlod
9. Bluenote
10. Ultear
11. Jura
12. Gildarts
13. Makarov
14. Laxus
15. Jellal
16. Erza
17. Mira
18. Current Gray (estimation)
19. Future Rogue Chaney
20. Porla
21. Orga Nanager (not sure, tho)
22. Mystogan
23. Minerva

Edit: some more estimation
24. Mavis
25. Yuriy
26. E.N.D.
27. Ivan (Lost to Laxus, but who wouldn't?, I think there is more about his power)
26./27./28./29. Other guild masters

 

[Blackdeath667]

The list of people that he can't beat (not in order list):

1. Zeref
2. Acnologia
3. Mard
4. Silver
5. Kyoraku
6. Sayla
7. Precht
8. Warlod
9. Bluenote
10. Ultear
11. Jura
12. Gildarts
13. Makarov
14. Laxus
15. Jellal
16. Erza
17. Mira
18. Current Gray (estimation)
19. Future Rogue Chaney
20. Porla
21. Orga Nanager (not sure, tho)
22. Mystogan
23. Minerva

wheres zero

e.n.d

 

[Forbidden Tale]

wheres zero

e.n.d

Zero is outdated.

Current Base Natsu >>>>> Base Natsu back than.
LFD Natsu >> DF Natsu at that time.

LFD Natsu > Zero

 

[Blackdeath667]

Zero is outdated.

Current Base Natsu >>>>> Base Natsu back than.
LFD Natsu >> DF Natsu at that time.

LFD Natsu > Zero

actually its debatable


plus zero overwhelmed df natsu and was about to finish him but nakama and igneel plotshield kicked in

 

[Killuaa]

Etherion DF Natsu can't defeat:

- Zeref
- Acnologia
- Other dragons
- Mavis (hype)
- Hades w/ heart
- Mard Geer
- CSK
- Gildarts
- Deliora
- Future Rogue

Current LFD can't defeat:
- Everyone above I've listed
- GMG ISD Gajeel
- Jellal
- Laxus
- Jura
- Bluenote
- Franmalth
- Jose
- Erza, Zero, Kagura (debatable)

I probably forgot some.

 

[Blackdeath667]

Etherion DF Natsu can't defeat:

- Zeref
- Acnologia
- Other dragons
- Mavis (hype)
- Hades w/ heart
- Mard Geer
- CSK
- Gildarts
- Deliora
- Future Rogue

Current LFD can't defeat:
- Everyone above I've listed
- GMG ISD Gajeel
- Jellal
- Laxus
- Jura
- Bluenote
- Franmalth
- Jose
- Erza, Zero, Kagura (debatable)

I probably forgot some.

isn't e.n.d > marde geer lol

 

[Killuaa]

isn't e.n.d > marde geer lol

END is featless, and it's possible that END is Natsu himself.

 

[UCE]

Yeah he is.

But jellal can win against him.

 

[Killuaa]

Yeah he is.

But jellal can win against him.

DF Natsu defeats Jellal.

 

[Memento Mori]

Yeah there are people who Natsu can't defeat...only natsu fans says otherwise

 

[TheGrandSage23]

It seems that people are just listing characters to just list characters...

And it's funny because people rely too much on hype when Hiro has repeatedly proven hype isn't worth a damn

Current Gray? Feat wise Natsu stomps regardless

Minerva is a disappointment.. There's no proof she's not getting beaten by Dragon Force Natsu or LFD
Kagura would get beaten by either form
Zero was already beaten by a DF Natsu so why people listing him I have no idea
Once again Mirajane gets soo much hype after only having ONE legit win back in the Fighting Festival arc.. She doesn't have enough feats so she(and a lot of other characters on here are pure speculation)
GMG ISD Gajeel is once again speculation.. They're on the same level..
Ivan was a joke and his magic was shit...Saying Natsu couldn't beat him is hilarious

Those are the ones I actually laughed at.. People hyping other characters went they have little evidence to show fore while Natsu has actual feats/evidence..

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Current Gray? Feat wise Natsu stomps regardless

I think this refer to me. Obviously you didn't see estimation.

Minerva is a disappointment.. There's no proof she's not getting beaten by Dragon Force Natsu or LFD

Minerva (pre demon form) easily blocked LFD Natsu.

Once again Mirajane gets soo much hype after only having ONE legit win back in the Fighting Festival arc.. She doesn't have enough feats so she(and a lot of other characters on here are pure speculation)

Bleh.

Ivan was a joke and his magic was shit...Saying Natsu couldn't beat him is hilarious

You have some sort of proof?

 

[90sKids98]

It seems that people are just listing characters to just list characters...

And it's funny because people rely too much on hype when Hiro has repeatedly proven hype isn't worth a damn

Current Gray? Feat wise Natsu stomps regardless

Minerva is a disappointment.. There's no proof she's not getting beaten by Dragon Force Natsu or LFD
Kagura would get beaten by either form
Zero was already beaten by a DF Natsu so why people listing him I have no idea
Once again Mirajane gets soo much hype after only having ONE legit win back in the Fighting Festival arc.. She doesn't have enough feats so she(and a lot of other characters on here are pure speculation)
GMG ISD Gajeel is once again speculation.. They're on the same level..
Ivan was a joke and his magic was shit...Saying Natsu couldn't beat him is hilarious

Those are the ones I actually laughed at.. People hyping other characters went they have little evidence to show fore while Natsu has actual feats/evidence..

This is so bad...

Current Gray can freeze Fire with Ice DS Magic now
Minerva easily blocked Natsu when he was fighting her father
Kagura could've easily solo'd Erza if it wasn't for Plot. She broke Erza's Ultimate Defense with her SHEATHED SWORD
Zero is Debatable with Current Natsu imo
Current Gajeel and Current Natsu is Debatable
Ivan I couldn't care less about

 

[TheGrandSage23]

This is so bad...

Current Gray can freeze Fire with Ice DS Magic now
Minerva easily blocked Natsu when he was fighting her father
Kagura could've easily solo'd Erza if it wasn't for Plot. She broke Erza's Ultimate Defense with her SHEATHED SWORD
Zero is Debatable with Current Natsu imo
Current Gajeel and Current Natsu is Debatable
Ivan I couldn't care less about

1) We literally have NO idea of Gray's power... The only panel we have of him is him with the DS mark.. That's hyping at its finest
2) You think she can casually block a DF/LFD Natsu? The same DF Natsu that beat Jellal? Lol no unless you actually think Minerva is on a higher level than Jellal
3) Kagura vs Erza was a see saw battle.. There was no solo... A solo is what Seira did to Mirajane.. A complete curbstomp.. Which wasn't the case between the two..
4) Zero still was defeated by a DF Natsu so once again why are people listing him?
5) I agree so people saying he can't win have no idea

 

[TheGrandSage23]

Oh and Minerva didn't block anything.. She teleported Natsu's attack not to mention she came out of nowhere while he was focused on Gemma...

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She can't physically block that not has she EVER tanked that damage... Minerva is hax.. Natsu would rape her physically..

Anyone can easily deflect an attack when the attacker does not know of your presence so that is not relevant in this argument. There are a few things that people seem to agree on.

1: Minerva has not shown any feat capable of taking down natsu
2: Any LFD attack is capable of one shooting her
3: Minerva cant use her magic forever ( she doesn't have a demons heart lol)

Mid diffculty base natsu. Low diffculty LFD mode.