Native American Israelites

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It was either Asians who came across a near-Arctic land bridge, the descendants of whom became the Native Americans or Vikings led by Leif Erikson.

 

[YowYan]

I hope you guys enjoy this video of Holy Grail in America video of the Templar knights.




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I will watch it. Thanks for sharing

 

[Shinobi Train]

Oh, I can imagine quite a bit. I am after all a polytheist & a pantheist. However I also understand that there are certain things that we can know. History is quite verifiable up to a point through archeology & linguistics.


Alright, since your making the positive statement about history could you please back it up? What source do you have that the Phoenicians & the Israelites were the same people?

I believe you read the Bible — no? Well, in 2 Chronicles 2:14 we can see that the topic is clearly a Phoenician man by the name of Hiram, who is form Tyre. Eventually we see in 1 Kings that Jezebel is from Tyre and that Elijah, in an attempt to reform, conveys that there should be no more foreign wives taken by the kings of Israel in reference to Jezebel.

It appears as if they were not the same people. King Ahab was king of ten tribes but not the Phoenicians. I realize that the Bible is not the most reliable source yet it can't be denied that it is at least a collaborative source.


Oh yes, I have seen the LLDS plenty of times. As I said before I was raised Mormon and they are no strangers to propagating hoaxes.

What we know about the LLDS is that it was "discovered" by a professor of Archeology at the University of New Mexico named Frank Hibben in 1933, who claims the discovery was made by another who led him too it — who’s name is completely unmentioned, surprise, surprise — in 1880CE. Essentually this is an unverifiable claim. We have no way of verifying it's existence back then. Can we even trust Hibben?

During his career professor Hibben had fabricated, in some cases completely, information about pre-Clovis sights to fit his own model of pre-Clovis migration patterns. Namely:

† The Mystery of Sandia Cave, New Yorker, 71(16):66-83.
† A Chronological Problem Presented by Sandia Cave, New Mexico. American Antiquity, 1940a 5(3):200-201.

The other strange thing about Hibben is this supposed discovery date of 1933 for the LLDS. This is due to the fact that this was the same year that he graduated from Princeton University. Strange that he would, fresh out of a Bachelors program of Archaeology, haphazardly find an unknown individual in NM — who should forever be unnamed — to lead him to the very sight of a stone carving that would — if verified — turn the entire field of know world history on it's head.

It just goes on like this ...

When was the abjad writing system of Paleo-Hebrew used by the Israelites? Around and in-between the 10th to 5th centuries BCE until the Israelites adopted the Aramaic alphabet as their writing system for use with Hebrew. This means that there would have been a 500 year window for the creation of the carving. This isn’t the issue, the issue is the time period at which this would have had to have taken place. Namely the aforementioned centuries. All we have to do is look to see what the people who had been living in the Americas since at least 15,000BCE were doing at the time. After you do this it becomes clear that there is no way that these imaginary Phoenician-Israelites could have come here over a 500 year period and not made more of a mark on the pre-existing peoples living in North or South America.

Again, notice that the writing system of Paleo-Hebrew is abjad, which means that each symbol always or usually stands for a consonant, leaving the reader to supply the appropriate vowel from memory. This makes the language of that time period nearly impossible to reconstruct. So is the writing on the LLDS an accurate portrayal of Hebrew during the 10th - 5th centuries BCE? No one could tell you. It’s literally impossible to know. Remember that next when you read claims about what the text on the LLDS says.

This is the sort of thing that you will always run in to when critiquing claims of this Phoenician-Israelites-Native American ilk.


First and for most, there are plenty of people who would care to see this topic, and all of it’s false claims to evidence, elevated to the perspective of truth before the public eye. Why? Because it would validate — to some extent — Mormonism along with a lot of other Christian related beliefs & fabricated histories. Glenn Beck any one? Beck has said much of what you are saying here on National television. And he’s a Mormon who, like most Mormons, live in a bubble of ignorance and American Folk lore coming strait out of the 1800’s.

I went to the link but I didn’t see much in the way of evidence. Mostly supposition based on what ifs. Not surprised.


I only have one thing to say to this —

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Alrighty then, I do want to make note, however, that you are an atheist (correct me if I'm wrong). Also, you seem to have a very strong hatred for truth, as most atheists do. I just want to make that clear; you see, every person has two eyes, one of darkness and one of light. The eye of darkness sees only what it wants to, the eye of light only sees the truth. Many prefer the eye of darkness simply because it's what they wish to see, it fits in their own little world.

Here is a link to a google search that you can study for yourself, I have no desire to waste time pasting the information here. If it's not worth anything to you to seek truth, then handing it to you will do no good.

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If you do not trust the source, then feel free to spend the next ten years pouring over the hundreds of documents, encyclopedias and so forth that great men have already gone over. Be my guest.

As for the meme you posted...are you not doing the same? Understand that debating is a two edged sword, it always cuts both ways.

 

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-_- I know im going to get crap for not being PC but regardless I will say it. Native Americans did not originate in the Americas a good amount of people who are Native deny they are from Asian roots or originate from Eastern Asia (Mongolia) etc. But regardless many think their race originated in America. Which is not true as it is well known that in sometime during the Ice Age Mongolians ("Native Americans") crossed the ocean and settled in America. But it has been known that Scandinavian vikings and many other Varangians came to the Americas even before any natives made the migration. Leading Anthropologist even said that Caucasian peoples made a presence far before any "Mongols" and I use that term loosely to refer to the "Native" per say. So in conclusion what that guy said whether it has to do with his Mormon faith or not was wrong about Israelis being here but I wouldn't know if natives where of Israeli decent but it is easily dis proven that Israelites where in America. IMO that mormon theology is blatantly racist and prejudiced... and also quite ilogical. But who knows i don't

Well actually much of what you said isn't controversial at all.

However I would take what you mentioned about the Caucasian people in America during the decline of the last Glaciation period and criticize the view that their numbers in America were greater than a handful. Maybe two.

Alrighty then, I do want to make note, however, that you are an atheist (correct me if I'm wrong). Also, you seem to have a very strong hatred for truth, as most atheists do. I just want to make that clear; you see, every person has two eyes, one of darkness and one of light. The eye of darkness sees only what it wants to, the eye of light only sees the truth. Many prefer the eye of darkness simply because it's what they wish to see, it fits in their own little world.

No, I am not an atheist.

I am a Norse-Germanic Heathen — which in my case equates to a Pantheist, Animist & a Polytheist — to give you a brief run down.

Thank you for the gift of your own personal philosophy, it wasn't that much different than my own growing up as both Mormon and Christian.

A gift for a gift. Here is my own philosophy for you — When you walk on the side of intuition and faith more than you do logic then you are trudging through the ditch of unbearable heat, though when you walk on the side of logic and reason more than you do intuition then you are stammering through a ditch of bitter cold. The trick is to use an equal amount of both at all times so as to walk easily in the middle of the road and out of the ditches.

Here is a link to a google search that you can study for yourself, I have no desire to waste time pasting the information here. If it's not worth anything to you to seek truth, then handing it to you will do no good.

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Keep the company of those who seek the truth, and run away from those who have found it.

You and your religious sect think you know what true reality is?

If, however, you discover you are wrong & realize that no where is it writ LARGE that you should know the absolute truth about life, then please, don't feel ashamed to send me a message.

If you do not trust the source, then feel free to spend the next ten years pouring over the hundreds of documents, encyclopedias and so forth that great men have already gone over. Be my guest.

I was 21 when I realized that didn't know any thing, despite all of my Christian & Mormon theological training. That was ten years ago now.

I have seriously looked in to the subjects & stories of this kind further than most people care to dream. Suffice it to say I am not surprised by your lack of willingness to back up your claims. Most people of faith run away when faced with evidence.

To be sure, I could post all the things you had wanted to but just can't seem to muster the will for. But what would be the point in posting any of that be just to simply knock it down myself? No, I wanted to talk directly to you.

As for the meme you posted...are you not doing the same? Understand that debating is a two edged sword, it always cuts both ways.

Not really, because what I've shown you here requires no blind submission. I don't ask you to believe me without question as you have done. In fact I welcome questioning. Why? Because if I am wrong on a matter of intuition or logic I don't want to be ignorant.

Give me a fruitful error anytime, full of seeds, bursting with its own corrections. You can keep your sterile truth to yourself - Vilfredo Pareto