Naruto's TNJ seems more idealistic than inspirational now

[mikeeozua]

At the beginning during part 1, his TNJ, his ideals, they were quite inspirational. Like the way how he proved his will to Tsunade in the Sannin Battle. But now in Part 2, His words seem too idealistic to me.

Like in the case with Nagato. Nagato's lifestyle itself was hell. He witnessed the very depths of the great Second and Third ninja wars. So why he should he listen to the words from a child who doesn't know war? Plus it was the way it was handled. Words from a book? 'If there is a way to peace, I'll seize it!' I'm sure that if you said that to someone they would laugh straight in your face and reassure you like a little kid, when they know it's impossible.

Next it's the case with Minato and Kakashi. I can understand the shock from their perspective of seeing Obito as the masked man, but two grown men who know full and well the dangerous situation going on have to be reassured by Naruto? And may I remind you these grown men are a Hokage and a experienced Shinobi. I would have preffered a long struggle but an eventual breakthrough in determination.

Naruto's words with Neji weren't even developed upon. Neji still seemed to be inferior in the eyes of the Main branch and died protecting a member of the main branch just like it has been for years. Plus he was even proven right with Naruto being from a infamous bloodline and a child of a prophecy.

And also Naruto talking about bringing Sasuke back to the village, didn't anyone think of telling him, hey stop? Shikamaru, Kiba, Choji, Lee, Neji, they were all better friends to Naruto then Sasuke ever was.

I just hope that Obito/Madara don't be dragged into this :|.

 

[Xerotes]

I think Kishimoto writes and draws chapter after like 7 gourds of sake

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

I'd have to agree....ESPECIALLY with the Minato, Kakashi, and Neji parts.

And lol then you realize how powerful Hinata's TNJ is.... considering she TNJ'd him while countering Obito's TNJ (not to mention she's TNJ'd Naruto at least two previous times: Written Exam, and before Neji).



But I'd say its safe to say Obito has lost it, and Madara isn't getting TNJ'd.

 

[Cosman]

I'd hardly call what Naruto was doing part 1 and early part 2 "tnj"...

And what the uzumaki's were famous for were longevity and large chakra pools, established things Naruto had in part 1 anyways. I don't like hearing that aspect to the "it isn't fair to neji" argument. Child of prophecy still has issues but I'll wait for the resolution on that one.

I don't like a lot of it in part 2 and I'm not sure why Kishi goes out of his way to do this stuff.

And as for the k11 and others encouraging and supporting Naruto's endeavors and getting Sasuke back... Retarded. Even Kakashi, Jiraiya, and Tsunade supported it. That's not tnj, that's more teachers and mentors being bad teachers in mentors. One of the moments that kind of put Kakashi on my shit list was when Naruto went to beg the Raikage for Sasuke's life. As a teacher, how the hell can you let him embarrass and humiliate himself like that?

Now, I'm not going to take accountablity from Naruto on a lot of these things. His tnj with Nagato (though it had a good message) was, like many other things, rushed. Underdeveloped is what most of it is now. This "I can change people" thing isn't meaning much atm because people change on a goddamn dime. Kishi needs to re-evaluate some shit.

But I agree, it is not inspirational anymore because there is no heart from Kishi anymore. Not even idealistic from Naruto's perspective, but straight from Kishi's. Kishi found the perfect way to avoid fixing things.

 

[Renpatsu Dei]

I agree, it's a shame too, but I guess Kishi wants to show of how much Naruto has matured, but they are pretty unrealistic situations.

 

[The Sach]

I consider it part of Naruto's personality, he is idealistic, now this days a way to Idealistic, and actually he became one after meeting Nagato....Nagato was TNJ'd by Naruto, because Naruto experienced pain, suffering due to death of his parents so too say that Nagato who endured pain in war is TNJ'd by Naruto is wrong, isn't a nice conclusion...:yeah:

 

[mikeeozua]

I consider it part of Naruto's personality, he is idealistic, now this days a way to Idealistic, and actually he became one after meeting Nagato....Nagato was TNJ'd by Naruto, because Naruto experienced pain, suffering due to death of his parents so too say that Nagato who endured pain in war is TNJ'd by Naruto is wrong, isn't a nice conclusion...:yeah:

Yeah but Naruto's parents weren't killed in a war, Nagato saw with his own eyes, his parents death and the destruction of the Hidden Rain.

 

[DocThao]

Naruto in general has become increasingly corny or full of PnJ and TnJ

 

[The Sach]

Yeah but Naruto's parents weren't killed in a war, Nagato saw with his own eyes, his parents death and the destruction of the Hidden Rain.

Yeah, but they were killed in front of Naruto due to the consequences of war, (Obito becoming Tobi is due to Rin's death which in turn happened due to hatred in the shinobi world) and even if Minato wanted people to see him as a hero, he was seen as a demon by people, so he went through all those things Nagato went through...:yeah:
And on top of that Naruto experienced destruction of Konoha(during Pain's invasion) and matured, giving arise to his strong idealism.

 

[take it easy]

many peoples not understand situation before tnj .

 

[Cosman]

And there actually more issues than just the tnj here as well. It's the forgetting bullshit Kishi does aggravates me. It would be nice to see Naruto ponder his final words to Nagato and at least try to find peace. I mean, he could maybe start looking. Make the whole thing more meaningful.

But, alas, for me it didn't ruin much

 

[take it easy]

It would be nice to see Naruto ponder his final words to Nagato and at least try to find peace. I mean, he could maybe start looking. Make the whole thing more meaningful.

naruto not have time to this.

 

[Renpatsu Dei]

Naruto has seen his fair share of pain, Kishimoto has to show off his defiance, and I guess the people he talks to see that eternal hope, if it going to be anyone staying strong and determined it'll be him.

 

[Cosman]

naruto not have time to this.

It seems a lot more time passed from when he spoke to his dad to this war considering his birthday is the next day in manga time.

And not have time to search for peace? That ought to be a priority. Again, Kishi rushed it and showed little care for Nagato.

 

[Gdamon]

How about how Lee represents hard work, IGNORED in part 2...

 

[Naijakid]

I think Kishimoto writes and draws chapter after like 7 gourds of sake

Lolololololololol

 

[Naijakid]

That title really made me to chuckle

 

[Raekwon26]

Smart man Mikeeozua. 100% agree with you.

It doesn't even show maturity, it shows ignorance.

This is why Him and Obito have become embarrassments for me. They both so ignorant it's unreal.

 

[H a n]

I like the way Naruto is going.

 

[xcoyote]

More realistic than the lets nuke dem whole world for peace.Nagato was an hypocritical son of a b1tch,at least he kinda redeemed himself like that.The dude nuked Konoha,killed Kakashi and Jiraya and then Hinata in front of Naruto's eyes and was like ''My pain is greater than yours'',Hurr Durr '' I am a god,Hue hue''.