Naruto's supposed win isn't satisfying.

[Natsu Shazneel]

Well guys Naruto also said this.

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Apparently it's becoming a popular opinion that Sasuke lost. Yet your main hero clearly states it was not even about that. Why can't we just call it a draw and accept that Sasuke lost in mindset?

 

[LeSauce]

Everyone? Nah there were people saying Sasuke would though putting aside that some were trolling but Im sure there were some people who believed in Sasuke. I personally didn't know who would come out on top. It could've played out in different scenarios.. maybe Sasuke could've won the fight itself but still have his ideology changed. There was nothing for certain heck there were Sasuke fans and others saying Sakura would come to Naruto's rescue. Unless the Viz comes up with a different interpretation of what Sasuke said then nothings going to change. Sasuke himself stated that he lost and its time for you guys to stop being in denial suger coating it.

Sasuke wouldn't have changed his mind if he won, that's for sure.

There's no sugar coating, the literal fight was a tie. Neither of them could keep going even if they wanted to, both of them were knocked unconscious, and both were on the verge of death. I don't see how Naruto is the winner in that.

The loss comes from Sasuke giving up on his goals meaning that Naruto successfully stopped him=win. It goes with the context, Naruto says that he would still want to fight if he could, then Sasuke says that he lost (won't go through with the plan) making it so there's no reason to fight anymore.

 

[Murasame]

Sasuke wouldn't have changed his mind if he won, that's for sure.

There's no sugar coating, the literal fight was a tie. Neither of them could keep going even if they wanted to, both of them were knocked unconscious, and both were on the verge of death. I don't see how Naruto is the winner in that.

The loss comes from Sasuke giving up on his goals meaning that Naruto successfully stopped him=win. It goes with the context, Naruto says that he would still want to fight if he could, then Sasuke says that he lost (won't go through with the plan) making it so there's no reason to fight anymore.

Naruto did technically win since he was still awake while Sasuke was unconscious.. Naruto would go unconscious later on too if I remember correctly.. too lazy to look back but I'm sure this is how I read and saw it. Even if he couldn't move it doesn't matter since his goal wasn't to beat Sasuke to death.. if it was then i agree it would be a tie since he couldnt move like Sasuke. He just wanted to beat some sense into him but ended up seemingly changing him with words anyways. Other than that yes I agree with the rest of what you said. In the end its not a huge deal anyways.. it is what it is.

 

[LeSauce]

Naruto did technically win since he was still awake while Sasuke was unconscious.. Naruto would go unconscious later on too if I remember correctly.. too lazy to look back but I'm sure this is how I read and saw it. Even if he couldn't move it doesn't matter since his goal wasn't to beat Sasuke to death.. if it was then i agree it would be a tie since he couldnt move like Sasuke. He just wanted to beat some sense into him but ended up seemingly changing him with words anyways. Other than that yes I agree with the rest of what you said. In the end its not a huge deal anyways.. it is what it is.

You agree with what we're saying, you just don't know it.

We're not denying that Naruto won, what we're denying is that Naruto won the Literal fight, i.e. fist to fist.

Naruto completed his goal and stopped Sasuke/made Sasuke rethink his goals which is why he won. However, the fist fight was not won because they were both left on the verge of death unable to move. That is why it's a tie when you talk about the literal fight, which most people are doing.
Naruto could be considered a winner if he could move when he woke up, but he can't so it doesn't matter.

Just think of it this way, if we remove the whole dialogue that goes on between them and just look at the drawings, would you be able to say that Naruto won the fight?

 

[UzumakiWade]

Actually Lawd Naruto spared Sasuke by not mid-diffing him.

Amaterasu is fodder infront of Naruto now.

 

[Araag]

It's not exactly accurate to declare that someone lost the fight because they were unconscious before the other guy when neither were capable of fighting. By that logic Naruto lost to both Gaara and Kabuto in part 1. It's fine to say Naruto won, but that's a shaky reason to give.

 

[Troyg39]

Both were completely immobile, neither of them could move. Naruto clearly said this, so all you're doing is trying to find ways to make it look like Naruto won the fight.
You also contradict yourself by saying that Naruto would win, but then die from moving. What? How could he win when he would also die?

Neither of them would be able to kill each other in that position because they were both out cold. All we know is that Naruto got up first, thought about punching Sasuke, but couldn't, so they tied.

1. Wrong. I'm not trying to find anything. Sasuke lost the fight. The fight itself was a representation of their convictions clashing. That's why there had to be a winner/loser. Sasuke lost in his conviction, as evidenced by him losing the fight. He gave all he had to kill Naruto and couldn't. Naruto on the other hand succeeded in stopping him.

2. Remember the Hiruzen/Oro fight? Hiruzen died but he didn't lose the battle. Oro's reasoning for the fight was twarted. He tried to defeat Hiruzen in order to continue his attack on the leaf, Hiruzen stopped him. So no, dying doesn't constitute a loss in this case, but whether or not you succeed in your goal for fighting. Hiruzen stopped Oro, just as Naruto stopped Sasuke

3. You don't know if both were out cold for starters. Let's just put that out there. But irrelevant stuff aside, Sasuke gave up. End of story

The problem isn't with me it's with you and every one else who doesn't understand that the fight's result is tied directly to the results of their inner conviction. Winning the fight and winning the battle of conviction is one and the same, because again, that was the entire point of the fight. Only butthurt Sasuke fans can not accept this. Like I CLEARLY said earlier, this isn't about who is stronger. Losing the fight doesn't mean that, but he still lost the fight

 

[Murasame]

You agree with what we're saying, you just don't know it.

We're not denying that Naruto won, what we're denying is that Naruto won the Literal fight, i.e. fist to fist.

Naruto completed his goal and stopped Sasuke/made Sasuke rethink his goals which is why he won. However, the fist fight was not won because they were both left on the verge of death unable to move. That is why it's a tie when you talk about the literal fight, which most people are doing.
Naruto could be considered a winner if he could move when he woke up, but he can't so it doesn't matter.

Just think of it this way, if we remove the whole dialogue that goes on between them and just look at the drawings, would you be able to say that Naruto won the fight?

Yes I still would.. from what I saw Sasuke went unconscious from the clash while Naruto was still awake granted Naruto couldn't move but why would he need to anyways? He put Sasuke to sleep there was nothing more to be done since his goal was not to kill him but change him. Naruto didn't go unconscious till later. If you ko'd someone would you still think you didn't win?

Like I said it is what it is

 

[Mr SwizZz]

Just the fact that his sharingan is faded in his right eye debunks your vague theory of sasuke could amaterasu naruto on the spot.
And Sasuke was saying as a whole. He lost, meaning Naruto won and achieved his goal, that is, to make sasuke join him and quit his plans.

 

[LeSauce]

Yes I still would.. from what I saw Sasuke went unconscious from the clash while Naruto was still awake granted Naruto couldn't move but why would he need to anyways? He put Sasuke to sleep there was nothing more to be done since his goal was not to kill him but change him. Naruto didn't go unconscious till later. If you ko'd someone would you still think you didn't win?

I wouldn't if I was ko'd myself, I can't win the fight if I'm just as useless as the other guy. That's the whole point. It's like when Madara and Hashirama were sparring and Madara said that they were equal because Hashirama was knocked down as well. Only this time they were actually knocked down at the same time.

 

[Troyg39]

Yes I still would.. from what I saw Sasuke went unconscious from the clash while Naruto was still awake granted Naruto couldn't move but why would he need to anyways? He put Sasuke to sleep there was nothing more to be done since his goal was not to kill him but change him. Naruto didn't go unconscious till later. If you ko'd someone would you still think you didn't win?

Like I said it is what it is

^^This in it's entirety. People act like Naruto was trying to kill him. The goal was always to fight him until he gave up. Sasuke gave up, he lost. Why is that so hard to grasp?

Everyone keeps trying to split hairs and find ways to not make Sasuke look like the loser. For what?? We knew what it was going into this. We knew their intentions. We knew their goals. This shouldn't come as that much of a shock that all this denial is needed

 

[LeSauce]

1. Wrong. I'm not trying to find anything. Sasuke lost the fight. The fight itself was a representation of their convictions clashing. That's why there had to be a winner/loser. Sasuke lost in his conviction, as evidenced by him losing the fight. He gave all he had to kill Naruto and couldn't. Naruto on the other hand succeeded in stopping him.

2. Remember the Hiruzen/Oro fight? Hiruzen died but he didn't lose the battle. Oro's reasoning for the fight was twarted. He tried to defeat Hiruzen in order to continue his attack on the leaf, Hiruzen stopped him. So no, dying doesn't constitute a loss in this case, but whether or not you succeed in your goal for fighting. Hiruzen stopped Oro, just as Naruto stopped Sasuke

3. You don't know if both were out cold for starters. Let's just put that out there. But irrelevant stuff aside, Sasuke gave up. End of story

The problem isn't with me it's with you and every one else who doesn't understand that the fight's result is tied directly to the results of their inner conviction. Winning the fight and winning the battle of conviction is one and the same, because again, that was the entire point of the fight. Only butthurt Sasuke fans can not accept this. Like I CLEARLY said earlier, this isn't about who is stronger. Losing the fight doesn't mean that, but he still lost the fight

No one is denying that Sasuke lost in terms of goals, i'm just responding to people who keep saying Naruto won the fist fight. That's not the case.
The guy below me is the perfect example.
Using your same example, Orochimaru killed Hiruzen, he won the fist fight. In terms of goals, he failed. Same with this fight.

Like I said above, no one ever said that Sasuke tied in terms of their ideals, that's not even possible.

 

[Fireplay]

You fanboys just keep coming up with new things huh?

Well too bad your fav disagrees with you. Sasuke said that he lost. Naruto was ready to go for another round but Sasuke gave up.

You don't need to defend him. Sasuke wont punish you. He lost.

Lets leave it at that.

 

[Murasame]

I wouldn't if I was ko'd myself, I can't win the fight if I'm just as useless as the other guy. That's the whole point. It's like when Madara and Hashirama were sparring and Madara said that they were equal because Hashirama was knocked down as well. Only this time they were actually knocked down at the same time.

Except Naruto wasn't ko'd til later. Sasuke was ko'd first so Naruto wins. If both had been ko'd from the beginning at the same time then you'd have a point. Once someone in a fight goes unconscious its over so being useless afterwards doesn't matter unless you think ko'ing someone doesn't mean anything and that you still have to beat on them when he/she are unable to fight. Madara/Hashirama is not a good comparison anyways since it wasn't a fight like this one.

 

[V h o]

I'll just say " Sasuke said he lost".

 

[Xlad]

This is complete damage control. They were tied in terms of power and skill levels to an extent. But Naruto won him in more than just a fight. Viz or not, the entire conversation proved otherwise.

 

[King Of Pop]

1. Wrong. I'm not trying to find anything. Sasuke lost the fight. The fight itself was a representation of their convictions clashing. That's why there had to be a winner/loser. Sasuke lost in his conviction, as evidenced by him losing the fight. He gave all he had to kill Naruto and couldn't. Naruto on the other hand succeeded in stopping him.

2. Remember the Hiruzen/Oro fight? Hiruzen died but he didn't lose the battle. Oro's reasoning for the fight was twarted. He tried to defeat Hiruzen in order to continue his attack on the leaf, Hiruzen stopped him. So no, dying doesn't constitute a loss in this case, but whether or not you succeed in your goal for fighting. Hiruzen stopped Oro, just as Naruto stopped Sasuke

3. You don't know if both were out cold for starters. Let's just put that out there. But irrelevant stuff aside, Sasuke gave up. End of story

The problem isn't with me it's with you and every one else who doesn't understand that the fight's result is tied directly to the results of their inner conviction. Winning the fight and winning the battle of conviction is one and the same, because again, that was the entire point of the fight. Only butthurt Sasuke fans can not accept this. Like I CLEARLY said earlier, this isn't about who is stronger. Losing the fight doesn't mean that, but he still lost the fight

it sounds more like you are trying to force your opinion and interpretation down others throat rather than them accepting the supposed truth like you claim. i dont see how its false if people say sasuke didnt lose the actual fight, werent they both in the same situationn? could naruto move? he clearly couldnt do a thing same as sasuke heck he admitted wanting to punch sasuke but he cant move his body so therefore its a tie as its the same with sasuke. sasuke saying he lost can obv mean his goal aftarall he cant achieve his revolution since he failed to put down naruto wereas naruto suceeded in stopping him so yh in that sense sasuke lost but in the sense of actual combat(which is what sasuke fans are referring to), it was obv a clear tie, just by seeing the pictures you can tell. like you said in conviction he lost but we all know that. theres really no need to nitpick.

all this is really irrelevant anyways, as thats not really whats important.

 

[LeSauce]

Except Naruto wasn't ko'd til later. Sasuke was ko'd first so Naruto wins. If both had been ko'd from the beginning at the same time then you'd have a point. Once someone in a fight goes unconscious its over so being useless afterwards doesn't matter unless you think ko'ing someone doesn't mean anything and that you still have to beat on them when he/she are unable to fight. Madara/Hashirama is not a good comparison anyways since it wasn't a fight like this one.

What's the purpose of knocking some one out? Rendering them useless so that they can't fight anymore. Even if Naruto wasn't left unconscious it's the same thing because if they fought both can't fight each other beyond that point.

It's like beating someone by slashing their limbs off, did that guy not win because he didn't put him unconscious?

Madara and Hashirama is a good comparison because they were both dropped and then proceeded to say they were equal. And that's even when Madara fell first.

 

[Mad Daz]

Who woulda guessed, sasuke fans denying the final fights outcome.

 

[End of Days]

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