Naruto's prophecy is a failure

[shelke]

You have an incredible misunderstanding of what Fascism is and the various ways it expresses itself. Nationalism is easy prey for Fascism, but it is not Fascism. Although Nationalism is also cancerous.

Upset Bernie didn't get the ticket? Lol.

@Bold Uh, yeah. He represents the Nation squashing the individual.

Actually, even catholic churches are pro-fascist. Capitalism kinda goes hand in hand with it. And yes, Nationalism pretty much uses its as its fuel for war-mongering. I mean, seriously, are you joking? Are you sure it's me who doesn't know what this term encompasses?

I am not even an American. Why would I care what happens there?

Yeah, still no.

 

[shelke]

Honestly it isn't really fair to blame naruto on this one. it's kishi's fault. the fact he more or less made naruto not change anything at all but didn't think without any long term logic that future of kages might once represent what created villains in the first place is personally a slap to nagato's, sasuke's, neji's, hinata's and in some ways gaara's face. but then again it's to be expected from kishi. What he should had done was keep naruto's ideals the same but factor in sasuke's realism as well. by removing the kages from empowerment not keep shit the same.

OP: good. that joke prophecy hurt the manga than helped.

His character was automatically rendered pointless by the ending. Why did we even have this guy? Someone explain this to me. It makes the writing so bad that it's not even funny. I wouldn't place the blame on Kishimoto completely. It has a lot to do with his editors as well.

You sound butthurt.. nothing noteworthy from this dribble you type.

It isn't surprising to say the least.

And you are persistently stupid and make irrelevant comments that add nothing to the discussion. I mean, you came here to post that? So special. Trust me, you are not a dog that can be taught two tricks.

@Bold I highly doubt you even know the meaning of that phrase, haha.

 

[lndra]

Maybe, maybe not.

 

[WalksInShadows]

the problem is that nothing about that prophecy included a permanently conflict-free era, not that the prophecy itself failed. Nobody can realistically stop ppl from being ppl w/o using some kind of magic, and that includes Naruto.

 

[Pulkit singh3]

The great toad believed Naruto to be the saviour of the world who'll make peace between people from all villages.All the closest people to him believed that,and then even the entire shinobi alliance.


But he actually ended up wrong and proved Sasuke right.Here's why:

Sasuke's way for obtaining peace and order was to create a revolution and wanted to rule the world in shadows in order to be hated by the villages so they can stay united as they share a common enemy.

Sasuke told Naruto that once the war is over villages will start again hating each other and new wars would result,because the shinobies live in a loop of hatred.


Well in the end Naruto's ideology won and things seemed to be alright until Kawaki shows him the middle finger and destroys the leaf village and possible other areas.

Damn,we are even left with the impression that Kawaki overpowered Naruto.


Conclusion:Naruto's prophecy is a hoax,a failure,and once again Madara/Sasuke proved that the hatred will never end.

Itachi said something right about Naruto:He believes too much in fantasies.

Kawaki arc has has not been cleared yet so please don't make these shitty threads

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

He united SA

Made every village trust each other

Allowed technology to advance.

Do a better job at trolling next time. :sdo:

No Madara BZ and obito caused them to unify

And he did not allow tech to advance he was against some of their ideas

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

...Didn't Sasuke want to rule the entire world with extreme Fascism?

So you are saying hitler wanted to have everyone united against him so they could be at peace and never seek cause to hate and try and kill one another just like sasuke wow

 

[Honord Sage]

The great toad believed Naruto to be the saviour of the world who'll make peace between people from all villages.All the closest people to him believed that,and then even the entire shinobi alliance.


But he actually ended up wrong and proved Sasuke right.Here's why:

Sasuke's way for obtaining peace and order was to create a revolution and wanted to rule the world in shadows in order to be hated by the villages so they can stay united as they share a common enemy.

Sasuke told Naruto that once the war is over villages will start again hating each other and new wars would result,because the shinobies live in a loop of hatred.


Well in the end Naruto's ideology won and things seemed to be alright until Kawaki shows him the middle finger and destroys the leaf village and possible other areas.

Damn,we are even left with the impression that Kawaki overpowered Naruto.


Conclusion:Naruto's prophecy is a hoax,a failure,and once again Madara/Sasuke proved that the hatred will never end.

Itachi said something right about Naruto:He believes too much in fantasies.

Its canon Naruto is the Great Savior and you can't change that no matter how much you yell your illogical views to the Word you are spitting into the wind.

 

[Dantee]

Kishi said something about passing down the torch to the next gen to handle.

 

[Jhin]

Naruto fulfilled his prophecy and the series ended. Kawakii is just fluff with little to no proof to back anything up.

 

[Chikombo]

It was true, Kawaki is a NEW threat, but before that the cycle of hatred ended with Naruto beating Sasuke, his way would have only continued the hatred.

Even if a new threat comes that isn't about the shinobi cycle of hatred that cycle ended and there was peace. So the elder toad was right.

 

[uchiha asuku aliyu]

sorry to say but this is the dumbest ****ing thread ever.. in the process of trying to make sausage look cool you ended up making him look more stupid...
his plan was him becoming the ultimate leader who will use his rinnegan to control the whole system.. just like madara.. so if he was going to end up using a plan that looked so much like Maddy's why the **** did he stand against uchiha madara.... your thread makes no ****ing sense

 

[Angelic.]

If there's no more fighting then there'd be no point in ninjas so no he isn't fantasizing

 

[NarutoX28]

No, Naruto ultimately succeeded. The prophecy only entails that Naruto would succeed in promoting world peace and implicitly carry on Jiraiya's own legacy in reaching the point where everyone will understand each other and work in harmony. This is something explicitly illustrated even when characters such as Shin and Momoshiki who are inimical to world peace are opposed by all of the Kages who worked in unity to reach a common goal.

To be honest, people are delusional if:

1. Obtaining world peace.
2. Establishing empathy through Ninshuu.
3. Defying destiny by temporarily terminating the fued between Ashura and Indra.
4. Enabling Bijuu to be thought of as humans and function in unity with human beings instead of being weapons of mass destruction.

Suddenly denotes Naruto as a failure. Not only was Naruto subsequently stated to be the Child of Prophecy along with Nagato after Nagato's death, but KCM Naruto disproving Raikage's false preconception of Naruto confirmed that Naruto was truly the Child of Prophecy. Even after war, war enthusiasts will always be running amuck as was the case with Madara where even after Madara was deemed a traitor, Madara sympathizers still existed. Having war enthusiasts is denoted as a natural consequence of war and there's literally no way to prevent this.

I'm a Sasuke fan, but even I wouldn't deny how Naruto was the most successful in obtaining world peace.

 

[whiteboy2345]

World peace wasn't achieved, the fact that shinobi's still existed is evidence of that. The whole premise of the shinobi world was fighting and killing wasn't it? Those two things cannot coincide. Sasuke was right, true peace can never be achieved, even when the Infinite Tsukuyomi seemed like a chance, it only ended up being a means of turning everyone into white zetsu.

The people in the shinobi world have power that we can only dream of, it's only a matter of time before someone accumulates a large amount of that power and decides what's best for the world. That's just how humans are.


The fact is, Naruto embraces fascism in every sense of the word. Konoha is literally a village that slaughtered a bunch of innocent people, apparently for the greater good. But when Obito does it, it's evil? Who gives anyone the right to decide what's for the greater good and what's not? Everyone was mad at Obito for carelessly taking lives in the belief that they didn't matter in the face of the Infinite Tsukyomi, but if the village slaughters innocent babies and children it's okay because a small amount of people in a clan were plotting something? For some reason, Naruto never bothers to address that. The only people that did address it were the people we've all come to love and eventually hate, the Uchiha's.

This entire system is the same system that kills people's families and sacrifices peoples family members for the "greater good" and then tells the remaining family members that they shouldn't seek revenge and justice because it's "wrong". Not once have I seen a scene of Naruto reaching out to Sasuke and trying to understand his pain, he simply yells in Sasuke's face and tells him that what he's doing is wrong. How could anyone entrust peace to a man like Naruto after everything he simply ignores and pushes aside?

 

[Amenotejikara]

He embraced Will of Fire and basically showed everyone that you should lie your way to the seat, make tons of promises. And extreme fascism is so cool, the dark side of totalitarianism is awesome, mindless slaughter is totally okay as long as the government does it, otherwise, it's evil yo! Killing children and civilians is the way into the future as long as the rest can be saved, the people you hire for terrorism are evil, the ones offering them funds are just innocent victims of the military systems and if these Nations' waged wars leave orphans behind? Then **** them! The Nations should send in more ninjas to destabilize their governments. And if they fight back? Shit, man, that's so evil, messed up and so ... so evil! They should be obliterated, their ideologies extinguished so that this form of governmental setup can thrive!

If anyone is victimized by the system, they should never seek justice. In fact, those ****ers should be weeded out, slaughtered and dealt with. Oh yeah, and, there is no need to fix the Hyuga issue, reduce Shinobi numbers, introduce better laws to safeguard everyone's rights and there is abolutely no need to aid poor villages like Rain who were rent asunder for Konoha's ambitions. That is the kind of Hokage Naruto is.

lol it all makes sense now.

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[whiteboy2345]

I don't know why, but for some reason everyone thinks that Sasuke should acknowledge his crimes and how he shouldn't have went after revenge.

But time and time again, Konoha goes scot-free from it's crimes. Naruto's prophecy is a failure, the fact that the Hidden Leaf Village and all the other Villages continued to exist is evidence of that. I hope they all learned their lesson from Obito, Madara, Sasuke, and Itachi. Their corrupt system led to the creation of these men and their entire world was almost lost because of it.