Naruto's prophecy is a failure

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No not really.The fact that Madara thought keeping people trapped in an infinite genjutsu saves the world makes him alone.He actually put an end to the world with that.And Kawaki probably wants to do the same by killing everyone.

What's the difference?At the end in both scenarios the world has ended.Both of them are villains

Because Kawaki only wants to destroy Shinobi world. Madara wanted to bring peace, he choose wrong method but with informations he got he truly believed that his choice is right. Kawaki only wants to kill all ninjas.
 

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Uh huh, you mean a system that is built on capitalist elites, is considered an assault on the working class, promotes a lot of exaltation of nationalism is somehow similar to what Sasuke did? I am pretty sure I can get more if I can jog my memory.

@Bold Yeah, no.

You have an incredible misunderstanding of what Fascism is and the various ways it expresses itself. Nationalism is easy prey for Fascism, but it is not Fascism. Although Nationalism is also cancerous.

Upset Bernie didn't get the ticket? Lol.

@Bold Uh, yeah. He represents the Nation squashing the individual.
 

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Were Itachi and Danzo morally wrong when they decided to kill the Uchiha clan to save the village?No.It is a painful truth,but this act saved the village.

You do whatever it takes to achieve peace,even if it ends up killing people.

Yes, they were.
 

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Because Kawaki only wants to destroy Shinobi world. Madara wanted to bring peace, he choose wrong method but with informations he got he truly believed that his choice is right. Kawaki only wants to kill all ninjas.

Madara got issues and wanted to bring an end to the world shaped by Hashirama.He wasn't a peace maker,but a psycho.

By that logic Nagato was also a peace maker by destroying villages and killing everyone in his way.
 

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Madara got issues and wanted to bring an end to the world shaped by Hashirama.He wasn't a peace maker,but a psycho.

By that logic Nagato was also a peace maker by destroying villages and killing everyone in his way.

Everyone had their own idea about peace. Fact that Shinobi who fight between themselves for god know long stopped point to the fact that it works.

Also Kawaki probably was inspired by Minato who said that as long shinobi system exist there will be war. So Kawa-chan gonna erase it all.
 

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Yes, they were.

Sure,they should have let Hiruzen do nothing so the Uchihas can start the coup d'etat.You need to know talk no jutsu is not the ultimate weapon...

No matter how hard you deny it Danzo and Itachi are true heroes of the village.
 

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Sure,they should have let Hiruzen do nothing so the Uchihas can start the coup d'etat.You need to know talk no jutsu is not the ultimate weapon...

No matter how hard you deny it Danzo and Itachi are true heroes of the village.

Yes, that's correct, because Genocide was not the answer. How many of those babies and children were planning to overthrow the village? Lol.
 

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Everyone had their own idea about peace. Fact that Shinobi who fight between themselves for god know long stopped point to the fact that it works.

Also Kawaki probably was inspired by Minato who said that as long shinobi system exist there will be war. So Kawa-chan gonna erase it all.

It's like Madara said:Cooperation is nothing but a silent fight.

But I am talking about peace in general that it cannot be maintained.

The new system after Naruto made Kawaki a victim of it.He is the first step in the chaos that will come after he destroys the villages.

Probably the villages won't be so united
 

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It's like Madara said:Cooperation is nothing but a silent fight.

But I am talking about peace in general that it cannot be maintained.

The new system after Naruto made Kawaki a victim of it.He is the first step in the chaos that will come after he destroys the villages.

Probably the villages won't be so united

How exactly do you know Kawaki story ? He could be just madman wanted to destroy something.
 

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Yes, that's correct, because Genocide was not the answer. How many of those babies and children were planning to overthrow the village? Lol.

I know it was a horrible moral act,but if it is the only way you cannot let your emotions overcome your motives.
 

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How exactly do you know Kawaki story ? He could be just madman wanted to destroy something.

Kawaki is the proof that the system can fall at any time.

The leaf village was destroyed.The 7th hokage is incapacitated,so once again the system is unstable for it cannot maintain peace and keep its people safe.A lot will notice that and new incidents will come after Kawaki.
 

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Kawaki is the proof that the system can fall at any time.

The leaf village was destroyed.The 7th hokage is incapacitated,so once again the system is unstable for it cannot maintain peace and keep its people safe.A lot will notice that and new incidents will come after Kawaki.

And you have better idea ? With Sasuke idea there would thousands of Kawakis trying everyday to destroy it.
 

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And you have better idea ? With Sasuke idea there would thousands of Kawakis trying everyday to destroy it.

Actually the villages would never break up the alliance and all shinobies are united against Sasuke.They may live in turmoil,but there is peace maintained,and I doubt Sasuke who would control the villages in the shadows cannot stop chaos with his rinnegan and the bijuus that were captured.
 
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Actually the villages would never break up the alliance and all shinobies are united against Sasuke.They may leave in turmoil,but there is peace maintained,and I doubt Sasuke who would control the villages in the shadows cannot stop chaos with his rinnegan and the bijuus that were captured.

Hah. Do not make me laugh. Such power would corrupt him in one year. There would be revolution against him because many people would rather die then live under oppression. If there was such easy method for peace we would already had it here. Society evolve everyday and people little by little realize that war is terrible. You cannot force it, it would only made it worse. With grow of technology people will slowly throw away religion and states will stop being important. Because when they realize how ****ing big is universe and how small they are things like war will stop making sense. So Naruto is doing it right. Try to show people that there is better way, that trying for betterment of mankind is everyones job.
 
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