Naruto's ignorance.

[paratise]

i agree with you 100% bro thats why i never liked his persona kudos for speaking your mind tho =D

I am not a "bro" (look at the gender bar ) but thanks.

Yeah I agree, but they're just kids. He might become more mature as he grows up.

Hopefully.

his words cannot be summed with "you and i are the same,peace and love,dont be lonely,believe it dattebayo"

the message is you can't do everything by yourself that's why you have friends to make up for that

Still does not suffice the ideas of peace, politics, conflicts etc.
These ideas look nice and all; but not fitting into driving whole mechanics.

I don't think Kishi understands most of these concepts.

But he have introduced many interesting characters with intriguing mindsets.
But when it comes to main character; they all get rendered into a lineer and blunt way of thinking.

 

[BlacLord™]

It's well established he is just immature and naïve i.e. "I'm gonna be Hokage someday" Yet, he doesn't seem to understand the large amount of tedious tasks to be done everyday. It's like he thinks it's one big holiday where everyone respects him and he sits around drinking tea until someone calls him into battle.

 

[paratise]

Well, if he stopped with all the things you mentioned such as wanting to do this, do that, help that person, save that person, then his way to 'never give up' would not be supported, and that's what the whole character is about.

I haven't said he should have stopped or achieved those by now.

 

[Byakusharinnegan]

This is why I prefer Death Note's characters over Naruto's. The way they think is actually realistic, not just 'ermahgerd lets help peoplez cuz we can'.

 

[iNotorious]

This is why I prefer Death Note's characters over Naruto's. The way they think is actually realistic, not just 'ermahgerd lets help peoplez cuz we can'.

I think attack on titan is better in my opinion, nobody has plot shield to save them, even the main characters can die in this world, for real.

 

[Byakusharinnegan]

I think attack on titan is better in my opinion, nobody has plot shield to save them, even the main characters can die in this world, for real.

A lot of the main characters died in Death Note, and there's very little plot shield.

I just couldn't ever get into Attack on Titan. Wasn't really interesting to me.

 

[PureGold]

It's well established he is just immature and naïve i.e. "I'm gonna be Hokage someday" Yet, he doesn't seem to understand the large amount of tedious tasks to be done everyday. It's like he thinks it's one big holiday where everyone respects him and he sits around drinking tea until someone calls him into battle.

You don't understand do you. People criticize his attitude and behavior, but it has all been done on purpose. It's meant to send a message to the audience, who actually were in the lower age group when Naruto first started. That message is to never give up, keep pushing forwards, and don't let anyone stop you. Obviously it's not realistic, it's an anime ffs, and yet people still act like they never expected all the bull**** to come up...

 

[paratise]

This is why I prefer Death Note's characters over Naruto's. The way they think is actually realistic, not just 'ermahgerd lets help peoplez cuz we can'.

Well this is a shounen manga afterall...But still too immature to me.

 

[Cosman]

Why is there is even shock here? It's not Naruto's approach, it's the concept entirely. True peace is something that the human race has never been able to accomplish. Ever. What on earth made Kishi think he could tackle such an issue compellingly. I knew it was going to a straight up love fest by the end.

Blame Kishi, blame the concept. It never ruined Naruto for me. And I'll also add this... Nothing in this series is realistic. No ideology other than the blatant extremist ones conform to any real logic.

 

[Disquiet]

I like some elements of Naruto's character; his speeches are annoying though. I agree with the point of this thread. Kishi haven't portrayed Naruto as a wise person, or went into depth about his plan to achieve peace. He's just been saying "I'm going to change it." when it's not that easy. Instead, Itachi had to lecture him.

Though there is one thing Kishi has recently thrown in; and that's Shikamaru being his advisor, and well...what Itachi told him. "He can't do everything alone." So my guess is that while he's trying to achieve this peace, other around him will help him do it. It seems like that's what Kishi has been setting up. Naruto has a strong sense of right and wrong and see things idealistically; but he will need his friends to make that ideal a reality.

"He makes others want to follow and help him." I'm also certain that's what Kishi is going for. Naruto is meant to inspire change rather than being the brains behind it all.

 

[paratise]

Why is there is even shock here? It's not Naruto's approach, it's the concept entirely. True peace is something that the human race has never been able to accomplish. Ever. What on earth made Kishi think he could tackle such an issue compellingly. I knew it was going to a straight up love fest by the end.

Blame Kishi, blame the concept. It never ruined Naruto for me. And I'll also add this... Nothing in this series is realistic. No ideology other than the blatant extremist ones conform to any real logic.

Calm down bro.
You are always like this Cosmo.
Tsk tsk U_U.

I was not expecting Naruto to solve it all; but he is not in deep dimentions regarding to these concepts as the main character.

I like some elements of Naruto's character; his speeches are annoying though. I agree with the point of this thread. Kishi haven't portrayed Naruto as a wise person, or went into depth about his plan to achieve peace. He's just been saying "I'm going to change it." when it's not that easy. Instead, Itachi had to lecture him.

Though there is one thing Kishi has recently thrown in; and that's Shikamaru being his advisor, and well...what Itachi told him. "He can't do everything alone." So my guess is that while he's trying to achieve this peace, other around him will help him do it. It seems like that's what Kishi has been setting up. Naruto has a strong sense of right and wrong and see things idealistically; but he will need his friends to make that ideal a reality.

"He makes others want to follow and help him." I'm also certain that's what Kishi is going for. Naruto is meant to inspire change rather than being the brains behind it all.

Makes sense; but what does he actually intends and how? That's what i don't see from him.

 

[Disquiet]

Calm down bro.
You are always like this Cosmo.
Tsk tsk U_U.

I was not expecting Naruto to solve it all; but he is not in deep dimentions regarding to these concepts as the main character.


Makes sense; but what does he actually intends and how? That's what i don't see from him.

Well I believe his ultimate goal is peace; no more wars. As for how, that's what I mean, the 'how' won't solely rely on him. Gaara, though Naruto, enlightened Onoki; who more or less believes the older generation was foolish. Naruto has Shikamaru, Kakashi, Sakura, the elders and presumably even the other four kage to help him with the 'how'. It's evident the main ninja nations are changing their perspectives (Kishi has been making a point of this; flashbacks, dialogue and whatnot). As I said Naruto is meant to 'inspire'. That's probably as far as the 'how' as he will get. This may sound like too much of a lovey dovey story; but I suspect everyone's heart to change and cease all the fighting. Any problems that arise from that, well he will have many others to help him (I forgot to include the elders of other villages as well).

 

[Hori]

So you guys basically mean that Naruto is using TNJ right?

Well hear this: Naruto remembered all his words he said like "I wont let any of my friends die" but you guys seem to lose the concept here... just saying that does not necessarily mean he will really make it happen... nobody is sure that mugen tsukoyomi will activate so its like that too

 

[Optimistic]

And that my friends is why Naruto sucks.

 

[-Punk-]

So you guys basically mean that Naruto is using TNJ right?

Well hear this: Naruto remembered all his words he said like "I wont let any of my friends die" but you guys seem to lose the concept here... just saying that does not necessarily mean he will really make it happen... nobody is sure that mugen tsukoyomi will activate so its like that too

lol the tsukoyomi is not happening , Believe it .

 

[Raekwon26]

Just reading some of the comments. Interesting stuff.

I've said too much on this topic before, i'll just read other people's opinions.

 

[Cosman]

Calm down bro.
You are always like this Cosmo.
Tsk tsk U_U.

I was not expecting Naruto to solve it all; but he is not in deep dimentions regarding to these concepts as the main character.


Makes sense; but what does he actually intends and how? That's what i don't see from him.

That's not my issue. It's that all of this seems to go right back to Naruto supposedly tnj-ing people. I'm sorry, but that in itself is just a small piece of the real issue here. There are no answers to questions Kishi is forcing Naruto to answer. The only real way to get through these things is unfortunately TNJ.

The entire fabric of most of these themes is irreparably flawed. Naruto's naivety is just more collateral damage. And you pretty much hit the nail on the head. Naruto is simply not the kind of guy that can even answer these things. His situation does not give him the resources to get those answers.

It's a lose-lose situation Kishi set up for his story and the main character, and Naruto's own character is really only a small portion of this. You guys need to look at the whole picture here. It's easy to rag on Naruto's character for these shortcomings, but when the kid is setup to fail, complaining about it is a little redundant.

I'm usually calm and cool when it comes to the Naruto criticism, but I just want to make sure we're all clear on this: He ain't the problem. As annoying as it is to see him regress into these moments, I'm tired of seeing TNJ being brought up and only Naruto's character getting criticized when the list of issues revolving around this is ceiling high.

 

[MetalGundam]

That's not my issue. It's that all of this seems to go right back to Naruto supposedly tnj-ing people. I'm sorry, but that in itself is just a small piece of the real issue here. There are no answers to questions Kishi is forcing Naruto to answer. The only real way to get through these things is unfortunately TNJ.

The entire fabric of most of these themes is irreparably flawed. Naruto's naivety is just more collateral damage. And you pretty much hit the nail on the head. Naruto is simply not the kind of guy that can even answer these things. His situation does not give him the resources to get those answers.

It's a lose-lose situation Kishi set up for his story and the main character, and Naruto's own character is really only a small portion of this. You guys need to look at the whole picture here. It's easy to rag on Naruto's character for these shortcomings, but when the kid is setup to fail, complaining about it is a little redundant.

I'm usually calm and cool when it comes to the Naruto criticism, but I just want to make sure we're all clear on this: He ain't the problem. As annoying as it is to see him regress into these moments, I'm tired of seeing TNJ being brought up and only Naruto's character getting criticized when the list of issues revolving around this is ceiling high.

Get a damn avatar, punk ass kid.

 

[paratise]

Well I believe his ultimate goal is peace; no more wars. As for how, that's what I mean, the 'how' won't solely rely on him. Gaara, though Naruto, enlightened Onoki; who more or less believes the older generation was foolish. Naruto has Shikamaru, Kakashi, Sakura, the elders and presumably even the other four kage to help him with the 'how'. It's evident the main ninja nations are changing their perspectives (Kishi has been making a point of this; flashbacks, dialogue and whatnot). As I said Naruto is meant to 'inspire'. That's probably as far as the 'how' as he will get. This may sound like too much of a lovey dovey story; but I suspect everyone's heart to change and cease all the fighting. Any problems that arise from that, well he will have many others to help him (I forgot to include the elders of other villages as well).

This seems moe plausable in order to him having a deeper aspect; but yeah; this is gonna be a lovey-dovey story.
His character needs to improve in such regard; maybe others around him will change him as interaction; not him just preachin.

 

[Cosman]

Get a damn avatar, punk ass kid.

Only *****es need avatars. I've ascended.